Why is it so hard to get a client to commit?

[Mocha]

In response to the why is it so hard for escorts to respond which were all valid points, I find it less so with clients who email and set up appointments. So much that Im actually reconsidering my stance in the industry and thinking of either putting it on the backburner and getting another source of income (which would mean my rates would go up to $300/hr and see less clients) or giving it up all together.

 

Even though I make a fairly steady income in the business, I feel that alot (but not majority) of the responses I get are just from people with no life of their own just being nosy and wanting to have up-to-date information on our travels. For example, I arrived in St. Louis and got a response from a client who left his number. He texted me that night, and I asked him to call. He said he would, but never did. Yet, he wanted to know "where u at?"

 

Last night, I had 2 clients not show up for the booking. It would have been the perfect scenario. Client 1 wanted to book at 10:30 for outcall. Client 2 wanted 12:30 for incall. I would have been able to make both bookings seamlessly. Yet neither one kept the appointment.

 

I've also had 2 previous clients in Denver text and call me constantly asking about my day, how long I'd be in town....the most popular question that everyone seems to want to know, for no reason at all but making appointments and not going thru with. I even had 1 client I met before marvel at my reviews here on daddy, and how I lived up to the reviews...only to cancel his 2nd incall request at the last moment after I'd gotten the hotel and pushed my tour back a day.

 

It just makes me think, are they remorseful for hiring an escort? Do they feel so bad after hiring that they feel the need to bug us with their neurosis by making fake appointments with guys who truly gave them a good time and met their every desire?

 

If I look at all the appointments that have been cancelled by previous clients and new clients alike...its disappointing to know that my income has probabaly suffered quite a bit because of it. I worked in 'normal' sales jobs in the past, even took college course on customer service... and I know some things about attracting and keeping clients. But in this industry, its not enough. People are bitter, angry and resentful. So I bend over backwards to meet their requests only to get shitted on in the process.

 

I understand there are some good ones, and thats great. Or maybe its just here in America, where escorting is constantly under attack and scrutiny...that causes clients to be these unreliable fucks that they are

[corndog]

It is unfortunate that this kind of flakiness is so common. I'm sure that every person's story is different, and that some of them are jerks, but others are genuinely good people who's circumstances change.

 

I think that the difficult challenge for someone in your situation is to avoid starting to think that all clients are flaky. It's a mental trap. Once you start assuming that each person that you talk to is going to flake on you, your attitude will change and the good, honest, respectful clients will get a bad vibe from you and move on. As difficult as it is, you've got to assume that each new contact is one of the good ones until they prove otherwise.

 

I've seen ads which include text like "Listen, you f*#king bitches, don't call me unless you're serious about booking. No pic collectors. Get a life!" Although I understand the frustration, text like that in an ad probably doesn't stop the flakes, and is guaranteed to repel the good clients.

 

Unfortunately, no-shows are an inevitable cost of doing business.

[raife]

It just makes me think, are they remorseful for hiring an escort? Do they feel so bad after hiring that they feel the need to bug us with their neurosis by making fake appointments with guys who truly gave them a good time and met their every desire?

 

Or maybe its just here in America, where escorting is constantly under attack and scrutiny...that causes clients to be these unreliable fucks that they are

 

I think you hit the heart of the issue right there, the fact that our prized interactions are illegal and we are hunted down and sometimes jailed for a fully consensual activity that affects no one but ourselves, gives the whole affair a sometimes criminal aura, and brings a degree of guilt, distrust and sketchy behavior by parties on both sides. Things seem different, more above board and professional when I hire in countries where it's a legal transaction and there is no worry by either party of subterfuge and entrapment.

 

I've seen ads which include text like "Listen, you f*#king bitches, don't call me unless you're serious about booking. No pic collectors. Get a life!" Although I understand the frustration, text like that in an ad probably doesn't stop the flakes, and is guaranteed to repel the good clients.

 

As a client who's very interested in the topic and continually discussing the dynamics of the escort business with my hires, I'm totally convinced that the key to doing great as an escort is a large and stable supply of regulars. You do that by affirming them, playing "therapist" when needed, being a great listener, and expressing positive enthusiasm. The guys I keep in heavy rotation exhibit all these qualities, they obviously enjoy their work (I wouldn't have picked them if they didn't) and they frequently tell me that they're doing great with their business. I sometimes have to press because they like to create the illusion that I'm their only client, but I make it clear that I'm not threatened by the reality, and really enjoy hearing tales from "the front".

 

When I'm looking for new guys, anytime I see any use of negative language in an ad such as your examples, it's an immediate red flag, I'm not even going to bother with that guy. He has at least some negativity in his mental state, and there's way too many guys that understand that positive enthusiasm sells faster than anything. I notice red flags during the whole hire process and if there enough negatives, I get to a point where that's it, this is not happening. I usually politely decline, but if things are not far enough along, I just stop interacting.

 

You may call it flaking, but I call it being a discerning client.

[Mocha]

I think that the difficult challenge for someone in your situation is to avoid starting to think that all clients are flaky. It's a mental trap. Once you start assuming that each person that you talk to is going to flake on you, your attitude will change and the good, honest, respectful clients will get a bad vibe from you and move on. As difficult as it is, you've got to assume that each new contact is one of the good ones until they prove otherwise.

 

I've seen ads which include text like "Listen, you f*#king bitches, don't call me unless you're serious about booking. No pic collectors. Get a life!" Although I understand the frustration, text like that in an ad probably doesn't stop the flakes, and is guaranteed to repel the good clients.

 

HaHaHa, that was hilarious...and yes I have seen ads like that. But you are very right, and I do have to constantly remind myself that not every client is a flake and I have to refuse to yield to the temptation of writing them off as one if they don't follow the perfect way of booking: that is, calling or emailing with a place and time and no other questions asked. But everyone doesn't work that way.

 

However, although at one point I did disagree on text like that...I actually changed my mind and feel that sometimes, its necessary to put down ground rules in an ad. I have put to not text in my ads, and I've even put warnings on my ad advising people against wasting time and setting up bogus appointments. And guess what? It worked! I still got some flakes, but it went down quite a bit and clients seem to want to commit more when they realize that Im serious about business, and that flaky behavior doesn't go un-noticed.

 

It used to be at one point, one could use the economy as an excuse that clients flake. Although it may still be the case, I'm starting to figure out that its having more to do with this country's fucked up way of trying to keep the adult industry under control. Its amazing how whenever I have clients come in from outside the country, they never fail to show up...yet these Americans; arrrrrrrrrrRRGHHHGHGHGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[instudiocity]

where are your reviews on Daddy's? Can you post a link?

[Michael Wayne]

Local REGULARS Mocha- that is where the business is good. My local regulars never cancel except in an emergency. While I love my tourists and enjoy travel I ALWAYS put my local regulars first. That is my secret and why I have been at the top of the game for so long.I Live in an underserved market and provide superior client services and utter discretion. The nice clients will find you but it takes Patience. good day to all! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[Scorpio]

where are your reviews on Daddy's? Can you post a link?

 

Mocha = JoeyBryant...so look for Joey's reviews.

[Mocha]

Local REGULARS Mocha- that is where the business is good. My local regulars never cancel except in an emergency. While I love my tourists and enjoy travel I ALWAYS put my local regulars first. That is my secret and why I have been at the top of the game for so long.I Live in an underserved market and provide superior client services and utter discretion. The nice clients will find you but it takes Patience. good day to all! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

 

Thanks for the tip. Well, how long have you been escorting there in Nola? If its been something like 5-10 years, then it'd make sense that you'd have your steady client base. Me on the other hand, about 2.5 years but didn't really kick off til 2 summers ago. I do have regulars in other areas, but traveling is my preference. I always do better off that way. I can always go back if I felt like it, but don't feel I can expand if I just stay in the same place, or atleast the places I've lived thusfar. I've never been down to Nola to work so I wouldn't really know how things operate down there. I am not suggesting that I neglect regulars to meet someone from out of town or to hop off to travel.

 

I still say part of it has to do with America. It sucks to work out here these days. My definition of good is 3-4 clients a day. For example, I been in a particular place now for 3 days and my only client thusfar has been a guy from Spain who also lived in New York. How can 1 explain that in whats supposed to be an All-American city?

[instudiocity]

utter discretionhttp://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

Having seen your pic's, the udder you provide ain't too bad either! YUM!

[instudiocity]

My definition of good is 3-4 clients a day.

Interestingly, I had a conversation from my current Favorite escort. I disclosed to him that the reason I prefer 'early' dates is because I want to be the first date of the day. I don't want a tired, drunk, strung-out, already 'spent' escort on his fourth client of the day. I want fresh, clean, horny escorts who want to play and in an unrushed moment with me.

 

My new Favorite told me that he's seen boys get hooked on the cash and do 3-4 clients per day. Eventually they get comfortable with earning and spending big money. When appointments slow, they begin lowering their rates to generate more money. He said, "I always get my rate, I do not discount and my regulars know that about me. I budget my spending so that I can live on my earnings. I need 3-4 clients per week to make my monthly nut. Some weeks it's 3, some weeks it's 5 but never more than 5 and never more than ONE PER DAY."

 

I define a good escort is someone who shares himself with 1 client per day. I say that because of all the boys I've seen, the ones I go back to time and time again are the self-disciplined ones who plan their lives - work, gym, diet, socializing and finances. They are always fresh, excited, and into their time with me.

 

One last thought - when you travel and you're seeing 3-4 clients a day, how many times do you use a motel room bed without changing the sheets? Sounds NASTY!

[Mocha]

Interestingly, I had a conversation from my current Favorite escort. I disclosed to him that the reason I prefer 'early' dates is because I want to be the first date of the day. I don't want a tired, drunk, strung-out, already 'spent' escort on his fourth client of the day.

 

One last thought - when you travel and you're seeing 3-4 clients a day, how many times do you use a motel room bed without changing the sheets? Sounds NASTY!

 

Whoa...slow it down a bit. Let me rephrase! 3-4 clients a day is unrealistic for me also, but rather I'd expect that to be in the form of responses. Also take into consideration that its not going to be that way everyday or week and that 2 of those 3 clients may simply be there for companionship and massage.

 

Early dates mean nothing in the scheme of things because an escort can still be tired, hung-over, or had an overnight the day before. So dispel that right now. I'm actually more vibrant and horny later in the day myself, after I've come from the gym...but as long as I haven't done much the night before, I can still be ready.

 

Most all of my clients come into my room with a bed that still has the breakfast door hanger on the pillow. You are imagining something that does not even exist.

[instudiocity]

"It sucks to work out here these days. My definition of good is 3-4 clients a day. For example, I been in a particular place now for 3 days and my only client thus far..."[/font][/b][/i] reads like your goal is 3-4 escort sessions per day.

 

I'm in sales. I classify my contacts as suspects, prospects, potential clients, and finally clients. I get a ton of suspects, those whom I suspect might be interested in my products and services. I attempt to narrow that group so I can focus on prospects, who may want to purchase but haven't yet. A potential client is someone who tentatively has expressed an interest but ain't bought yet. And finally, clients are those who've crossed my palm with da money!

 

In my business, I need 15 suspects to get to one client.

 

Early dates mean nothing in the scheme of things because an escort can still be tired, hung-over, or had an overnight the day before. So dispel that right now. I'm actually more vibrant and horny later in the day myself, after I've come from the gym...but as long as I haven't done much the night before, I can still be ready.

Well, I used the term 'early' to refer to a mid-afternoon to happy hour date.

 

Most all of my clients come into my room with a bed that still has the breakfast door hanger on the pillow. You are imagining something that does not even exist.

Actually, I've been there and NOT DONE HIM. More often than I want to confess, I have visited traveling escorts who's rooms and beds are a total mess. Yet they still want to get it on in that pig sty. I've also been to escorts homes where the sheets haven't been changed in days, maybe weeks! My response is always to drop half the first hours' rate on the bed suggest the time and money be used for cleaning then BEAT FEET OUTTA THERE! I only assume the personal hygiene is lacking, too.

[Guest MasculineCute]

Very Interesting thread - i deal with this drama a lot .... many clients just call to TALK... many do email tags..... set an appointment and don't go through ... but i am learning. Now, if i talk to a client, i make it sure it's only under 15 mints.... for emails - by the 3rd email and he has not called i stop replying. No idea why some clients play these games... insecure? bored? depressed? they hate the fact they have to hire?

[Michael Wayne]

I have been working in New Orleans 3 years now but previously lived in South Florida and San Antonio/ Austin Tx. I have done the whole nationwide travel thing and been flown to 45 states and met hundreds of amazing clients traveling back in the day when you had to advertise in, "unzipped," magazine. m4rn and r.b. have made things so easy BUT_BUT-BUT!!!!!!! - the same old principles still appy- FIND A HOME CITY THAT IS UNDERSERVED where you are the only really hot guy who is nice. I understand the allure of South Beach as I grew up there. I love n.y.c. and l.a. but there you are one of 200 available hot studs. In New Orleans, for example, a city of 500,000 with on any given day between 5,000-50,000 convention visitors, there are really only 3 quality, high-class, high- end male escorts so you can imagine the business that comes in. Clients today want living porn (reality porn) They want a guy who looks like he just walked off a porn set BUT who will be nice to them. No one wants attitude. As far as the usa is concerned New Orleans represents a good American city with nice people who keep their word and show up for appointments so all is not wrong with America.

[Michael Wayne]

I have been working in New Orleans 3 years now but previously lived in South Florida and San Antonio/ Austin Tx. I have done the whole nationwide travel thing and been flown to 45 states and met hundreds of amazing clients traveling back in the day when you had to advertise in, "unzipped," magazine. m4rn and r.b. have made things so easy BUT_BUT-BUT!!!!!!! - the same old principles still appy- FIND A HOME CITY THAT IS UNDERSERVED where you are the only really hot guy who is nice. I understand the allure of South Beach as I grew up there. I love n.y.c. and l.a. but there you are one of 200 available hot studs. In New Orleans, for example, a city of 500,000 with on any given day between 5,000-50,000 convention visitors, there are really only 3 quality, high-class, high- end male escorts so you can imagine the business that comes in. Clients today want living porn (reality porn) They want a guy who looks like he just walked off a porn set BUT who will be nice to them. No one wants attitude. As far as the usa is concerned New Orleans represents a good American city with nice people who keep their word and show up for appointments so all is not wrong with America.

[Guest MasculineCute]

WOW! Thanks for the Tip!!!! i should come and visit New Orleans-

[instudiocity]

... i deal with this drama a lot .... many clients just call to TALK... many do email tags..... set an appointment and don't go through ...

There is a dynamic tension in any contact with a prospective client. You want to answer their questions while still maintaining a mystery about yourself. He needs to know that you aren't a flake, stoner, druggie, thief. He needs to know he's gonna get laid, and he needs to know you've got a GREAT ATTITUDE. But he still needs to be curious about just what is going to take place.

but i am learning. Now, if i talk to a client, i make it sure it's only under 15 mins.... for emails - by the 3rd email and he has not called i stop replying. No idea why some clients play these games... insecure? bored? depressed? they hate the fact they have to hire?

I'd say under five for the first call - "Hey, yes, I'd love to see you. I'm completely (Top, Bottom, Versatile). I'm sure you're going to have a good time. When and where are we going to get together?

[cany10011]

It's hard to get a client to commit simply because you may be the 2nd or 3rd option he's called when planning an encounter.

[JoeyBryant]

FIND A HOME CITY THAT IS UNDER-SERVED where you are the only really hot guy who is nice. I understand the allure of South Beach as I grew up there. I love n.y.c. and l.a. but there you are one of 200 available hot studs.

 

You are right, and on some levels I do agree with what you are saying. A lot. But going to a place that's undeserved can be a double-edged sword and its hard to know until you actually arrive.

 

For example, I began in Miami and found it easy to get work. Hell, you could stand out on Washington Avenue and get a client (I never worked streets, but had 2 clients approach me outside of the bars). Competition never even crossed my mind until I moved to other places. Paying for sex was an integral part of Miami life.

 

On the other hand, you've got cities that are under-served because there isn't much in the way of demand. Competition can thrive as long as there is demand for it. Places like Kansas City, Denver and Indianapolis all are under served, but they aren't very dense and metropolitan...not to mention conservative as fuck on some levels compared to other cities like Toronto, London and NYC...places where its actual legal and accepted to do it. So what do you get instead? Steady bookings over time BUT a relentless supply of Clients who flake, don't take us seriously, who think nothing of setting up bogus bookings and those cities never really produce regulars in my experience. How is it that I was able to get regulars within 4 months of escorting in Miami, yet took nearly a year in Texas...which is less saturated than Miami?

 

 

It's hard to get a client to commit simply because you may be the 2nd or 3rd option he's called when planning an encounter.

 

No, that's not the way it works. Its not a case of whether they are deciphering between hiring me and another guy. Just like masculine-cute said, there doesn't seem to be any reason for it.

 

A guy who is calling around is not going to call an escort before he decides. And if he called a guy previously who didn't answer but called him back...he would tell the guy, "I already made another appointment...or he'd be courteous enough to allow time for the escort to call him back. I know because its happened to me before. I know how this thing works. Now, if you want to know a bad example of calling around: I have one. Guy contacted me the other day asking for a 6 hour dinner/date booking for Thursday. Then, he calls me yesterday to say he booked another guy in Chicago PRIOR to booking me, and that he'd already bought him the ticket to come down. I asked him, "well why on earth would you call me if you already made plans with him?" He gave some ridiculous answer, which didn't make sense.

 

I really don't have the time to sit here and pick people's brains on stuff like this trying to figure out why. I can change myself up, look at my ad, look at my prices, accommodations, way I sound over the phone. Its all things I consider, but the fact is that (many of the clients in America) don't view escorting as something serious. They see it as something we're doing because times are rough. That the light at the end of the tunnel is moving in with them, being their houseboy and working a shitty job while trying to study. Personally, I don't feel the U.S. is all that great to advertise unless you've started long time ago and have that steady base going. Mostly all of my overseas clients who make appointments always keep them, even if they have to call at a premium rate. I personally cannot remember a time where an overseas client has flaked on me while visiting America. NEVER!

 

I know I'm sounding very un-patriotic right now, but with the closing of craigslist...I'm just really not happy with how things are here anymore, in the adult industry realm of things. And how is it that the only client I've had so far in whats considered a friggin all-American city is from another country? Because they're too damn cheap here! Everyone wants to have quick, immediate casual sex but they don't want to do what it takes to get it.

[josephga]

You are right. Allot of people Don't look at it as something seriously. To them its something you do because times are tough or something you do for a quick short term buck or just because you are horny. They don't get it's a business It's something you do to possible pay for school, a home or both, a roof over your head your bread and butter. never crosses their mind that what 1 no show a day costs in lost income. I had these same things happen in my massage business during the 11 years i had it. I'm on my way be there in 10 minutes to never show. Or purposely calling with absolutely no intentions on showing in the first place. One guy even asked me during a massage once what did I do for a living? I spent 10.000 in massage school and supply's and this dumb ass is asking me what do i do for a living. he thought i just did it for fun or an extra buck. So guys like that, not showing up means nothing to them. imo booking a session with a escort or masseur and not showing is no different than booking a doctor or dentist appointment and not show except they will make you pay

[JoeyBryant]

One guy even asked me during a massage once what did I do for a living? I spent 10.000 in massage school and supply's and this dumb ass is asking me what do i do for a living. he thought i just did it for fun or an extra buck. So guys like that, not showing up means nothing to them. imo booking a session with a escort or masseur and not showing is no different than booking a doctor or dentist appointment and not show except they will make you pay

 

I wonder if they consider the guys who do massage at the mall shops or in the aisles to be real jobs...being that its a 'public setting'. People have this idea that if you're working from home, or are an independent contractor, that its not a real job.

[josephga]

I had guys ask me before if i was bi sexual because i took female clients for massage. they would never ask that of anyone working in a spa or with a dr.

[JoeyBryant]

WOW! Thanks for the Tip!!!! i should come and visit New Orleans-

 

Proceed with caution. Everything isn't always what it seems. People can tell you anything, as results may vary. Sometimes you dont actually know til you get there. I'd have to do a series of tests before ever going to a city with a -26% growth decline.