massage becoming more...

[Guest zboy05]

Does a massage appointment ever turn into an escort appointment? or is there a way to request this *during* a massage? There have been times when I'm getting a massage with someone whom I know does escort work and I've wanted to change the nature of our meeting...but wasn't sure if it was appropriate. Any suggestions? experiences?

[happyguy2]

I don't do massage appointments any more, but have been tempted to do so. But years ago, I did it all the time - they all had happy endings - and many got quite hot - it was almost always a mutual thing. Only once, a guy who did also escort, in Miami, said "I consider this to be another type of service". It turned me off, and we just finished the massage, which did have a happy ending. In most of almost all, if I can recall, they turned into mutually hot and happy endings for each of us. I did much repeat business in those days, and while I gave big tips to all of them, but no discussion of pricing ever happened. This took place mostly in the Miami Beach and NYC areas, with Chcago, Montreal and London and parts of Italy coming in at a less frequent, but eually successful grouping. Like I said, it has been at least seven years since I did it. I am tempted to trty again! I also found the guys to be more natural and likeable.

[Guest zboy05]

Thanks, happyguy2: I actually mean ever MORE than a happy ending to the massage...I mean more what one hires an escort for...

[Diverdan]

No Harm in Asking

 

If you know the masseur also works as an escort, it is probably better to ask ahead of time and suggest that you want a "combination". I have had some masseurs politely say that beyond the happy ending, they were not "prepared" to change the nature of the session. I have also had some masseurs suggest toward the end of the session that more was available if I was interested. I don't think there is any one answer to your question, but I look forward to hearing what some of the masseurs and escorts that post on this site have to say in answer to your question. Also, if you read some of the reviews or ads for masseurs that advertize "sensual" and/or "erotic" massage you can infer from those statements what may be available. Be prepared to pay for the additional time beyond the time of the massage if that is what you are looking for in your session.

[+ newatthis]

As several people have already said, it depends. I can't see any down side to asking in a polite manner with the implication that you'd pay the guy's escort rate for the additional services. Like happyguy2, I've also experienced massage sessions turning into something much more without any asking or additional payment, but I certainly consider that an unanticipated bonus.

[happyguy2]

zboy, most of the time, the happy ending was full out what one would do with an escort!

[Terpmaniac]

Does a massage appointment ever turn into an escort appointment? or is there a way to request this *during* a massage? There have been times when I'm getting a massage with someone whom I know does escort work and I've wanted to change the nature of our meeting...but wasn't sure if it was appropriate. Any suggestions? experiences?

 

My guess is the masseur/escort would rather know ahead of the games(grin)if its to be a massage or escort service. My guess is most would not like to have to switch gears (if you will) in the middle of an appointment. I tend to really like masseurs who escort because I tend to feel less inhibited and surprisingly many of them give really great massages . I have had a few of them say to me in the midst of the massage "you should hire me as an escort" but I never bring the subject up myself. To be honest with you, the masseur's that I have hired who are NOT escorts, just masseurs, tend to go way, way, way, beyond just the "happy-ending" with me much more so then the guys who do both!

[NYTomcat]

Actually I've known escort masseurs quite happy to move up the service. They have had a chance to get comfortable. With the client and of course will charge more you need to pay for massage and escort time you realize. But as always the answer is ask. Preferrably before so you know their individual comfort level should yours be found

[jackcali]

Actually I've known escort masseurs quite happy to move up the service. They have had a chance to get comfortable. With the client and of course will charge more you need to pay for massage and escort time you realize. But as always the answer is ask. Preferrably before so you know their individual comfort level should yours be found

 

I'm not sure that asking before is always the best approach, at least for masseurs who don't also advertise as escorts. I've hired a number of masseurs whose advertisements and email exchanges before our first session were very cool to the idea of erotic extras. However, after the masseur has met a client face to face and worked on him for a while, he may be more receptive to the idea of escort-type services because, as you say, he's had a chance to get comfortable with the client.

[happyguy2]

you all said it better than I did, and as I pointed out, the maseurs tend to be way more the REAL experiece.

[orbital sander]

Does a massage appointment ever turn into an escort appointment? or is there a way to request this *during* a massage? There have been times when I'm getting a massage with someone whom I know does escort work and I've wanted to change the nature of our meeting...but wasn't sure if it was appropriate. Any suggestions? experiences?

 

I have had two experiences where a massage turned out to be something other than a massage. Both times I was expecting a legitimate massage.

 

In the first experience, I contacted the guy, went to his place. Everything seemed very legit, table, room with everything you would expect for a legit massage. He began and was not impressing me. Then he flips out his HUGE dick while giving me a very bad massage. I declined to participate, as he was older than I and not appealing to my taste (a bit creepy). He became pissy, and I paid him and left.

 

The second was very different. I was in BAires and a friend recommended a guy, again for legit massage. He was young, muscular, and great looking, but again I was totally expecting a legit massage and nothing else was on my mind (I really like a good, deep massage). Anyway, I am face down, and he is working my back, and doing a great job. I am enjoying myself very much. Unknown to me, this guy stripped down to his undershorts while he worked on me. I was really surprised when he stopped working on me and laid down next to me in nothing but his shorts...and a nice hard dick... He managed to very easily "distract" me and the legit massage was quickly forgotten. Needless to say, there have been many more "massages" which work out really well. I do not really like spending much time in BAires these days, but I make sure that I spend at least a few nights so we can have an afternoon massage.

[SteveStacks]

This seems to me an area rife with possibilities for people miscommunicating and getting upset with each other.

I have had many masseur friends complain about how frustrating it is to try and provide a therapeutic massage to someone who tries to turn it into an escorting session after they arrive.

 

On the other hand, I don't really do massage as such, so it's not a frequent concern for me, and I am getting my information from other providers experiences, and it sounds like many people have had good experiences with those sort of "transition sessions."

Just wanted to throw in the "two cents" I have heard from other providers....

 

I think if such a session is going to take place, the most important thing would be to make sure expectations regarding fee and service are clear, and to be prepared that even asking the question may upset some providers.

 

For example, many of them have put a lot of time and money into their training as masseurs and have said to me that they find it insulting to have their service treated like "just an excuse for getting together for an escorting session" and others have said that it feels like the guy is "basically trying to get escorting services for massage fees."

 

Like I said, I'm quoting other guys, and don't know how representative their views are....

Just another perspective....

[Romann]

Upgrade please!

 

As an escort who does Erotic Massages, I have had quite a number of massage appointments turn into escorting appointments most of which were requested prior to the meeting because I use the same email address which lists my escort profiles as well. Furthermore, for the massage clients who entered the appointment with the desire to just have a massage and then during the appointment decided to upgrade the service and after some hot fondling of our genitals simply asked if I would be willing to go escort on them which I am happy to oblige and honestly, they have turned into some very hot experiences!

 

But, that's just me and I can't speak for others. It's always best to ask because there are many masseurs that do not perform escorting services and one wouldn't want to offend them and risk ruining the relationship. Speaking only for myself, ask before or during because I'm always hot, hard and ready!

 

I have found that the unexpected is usually one of the more interesting experiences but that's just me!

[Terpmaniac]

True story: A few years ago I was a regular for a very, very, popular masseur/escort who has been mentioned on this board in the past as a favorite of many. We hit it off. He liked me as a client a lot, so he said. I hired him strictly for massage and nothing more. One visit to his city I called late, and he was booked, so I chose another masseur who’s work was more on the erotic side then the massage side. A few weeks later, back in his city I had a session with my regular guy and mentioned to him the experience I had with the guy that I hired when he was not available(the more sensual one). Fast forward a few months. I am back in his city, I call to make an appointment with my regular guy, he says fine I am booked. Five minutes before I leave for the appointment he calls to tell me he no longer wants me as a client because after seeing the “other” guy when he was busy, that apparently that is what I what from him and he don’t play that! Kicked my sexy black ass to the curb! Yes, some guys are awfully sensitive.

[Romann]

Judgment sucks and not in a good way!

 

Five minutes before I leave for the appointment he calls to tell me he no longer wants me as a client because after seeing the “other” guy when he was busy, that apparently that is what I what from him and he don’t play that! Kicked my sexy black ass to the curb! Yes, some guys are awfully sensitive.

 

Now that is MOST unfortunate of your regular hire and honestly, very judgmental of him so maybe it was for the best that the relationship concluded but the way it ended is just unprofessional on many levels. I guess my response to him would have been, "What makes you think I would have hired you for that kind of service and don't you think that is a bit presumptuous of you to think that I would have just because I talked about a wonderful experience with someone who did?" but then again, that's just me and I tend to be a smart ass when judgment is shoved in my face like that.

 

My mouth can sometimes get me into trouble and not in a good way unless of course it is wrapped around a nice cock attached to a fun loving man who enjoys an erotic massage and then some if he is so inclined.

 

Again, sorry that you had that kind of reaction from your regular hire. On to bigger and better things!

[JoeyBryant]

For example, many of them have put a lot of time and money into their training as masseurs and have said to me that they find it insulting to have their service treated like "just an excuse for getting together for an escorting session" and others have said that it feels like the guy is "basically trying to get escorting services for massage fees."

 

Like I said, I'm quoting other guys, and don't know how representative their views are....

Just another perspective....

 

Well, maybe it is an excuse. But so what? I have no qualms about getting paid a bit more if they so choose to go further. I also enjoy giving erotic rubs. I took a tantra class last year and although I am not fluent in all techniques and equipment, working the muscles releases all sorts of endorphins and stuff. It even gets me more in the mood LOL.

 

With me, I dont allow anyone to use getting a massage as a ploy to get escort treatment. And most don't expect to either, of course you always have the ones who think $80 is full service

 

I used to charge more on my escort ads for massage, but even with additional expertise...I consider it part of the engagement. Regardless, its just important to know what you or what they are doing. Nobody needs to get hurt doing a massage.

[SteveStacks]

Good points Romann and Joey. Like I said, I'm just making reference to comments made to me by masseurs. Massage is not a big part of my business, so I don't have a lot of direct experience with the question. It sounds like there may be some variance between guys who do both escort and massage and guys who identify and advertise as massage only. I don't suppose there are any guys who identify as "primarily/exclusively masseurs" lurking around who would be willing to comment?

[corndog]

Here's the problem I've had several times recently, which is perhaps the opposite of the original poster's issue:

 

I'm seeking a real, skilled massage covering my whole body, from head to toe. I tend to shy away from they guys who advertise as strictly therapeutic because, for me, it's practically inevitable that I'll become aroused, and that seems awkward with someone who has made it clear in their advertising that there will be no hanky-panky. Besides, I'm cool with a nice happy ending, as long as it isn't the focus of the whole experience.

 

Well, the last few times I've tried new masseurs, it works out the same way: The masseur shows up, often without even bringing any massage oil or creme, and starts giving a lame, perfunctory back rub. Five minutes in, they're already moving to my crotch. As I realize that I'm not going to getting a good massage, I decide to make the best of the situation and allow the situation to turn sexual, since that's where the "masseur" clearly intends for it to go.

 

45 minutes later, the guy is out the door and I realize that I still want a massage and just had a poor excuse for an "escort service" from someone that I probably would have never selected as an escort.

 

I think that basically these guys are cut-rate escorts who find that they have an "out" by advertising as masseurs. Unlike an escort, who is expected to perform certain acts with each client, these guys, for a lower rate, are able to meet the client first and decide whether they can stomach sex with them. If the masseur is repulsed by the client, they can stick to their lousy rubdown, collect their fee, and go. If the client is ok, they do a quicky, collect their money and go. Neither scenario involves a decent massage. Hustlers, basically.

 

To be clear, I've had some great massages from time to time also, I'm just lamenting the difficulty of finding them.

[orbital sander]

Here's the problem I've had several times recently, which is perhaps the opposite of the original poster's issue:

 

I'm seeking a real, skilled massage covering my whole body, from head to toe. I tend to shy away from they guys who advertise as strictly therapeutic because, for me, it's practically inevitable that I'll become aroused, and that seems awkward with someone who has made it clear in their advertising that there will be no hanky-panky. Besides, I'm cool with a nice happy ending, as long as it isn't the focus of the whole experience.

 

Well, the last few times I've tried new masseurs, it works out the same way: The masseur shows up, often without even bringing any massage oil or creme, and starts giving a lame, perfunctory back rub. Five minutes in, they're already moving to my crotch. As I realize that I'm not going to getting a good massage, I decide to make the best of the situation and allow the situation to turn sexual, since that's where the "masseur" clearly intends for it to go.

 

45 minutes later, the guy is out the door and I realize that I still want a massage and just had a poor excuse for an "escort service" from someone that I probably would have never selected as an escort.

 

I think that basically these guys are cut-rate escorts who find that they have an "out" by advertising as masseurs. Unlike an escort, who is expected to perform certain acts with each client, these guys, for a lower rate, are able to meet the client first and decide whether they can stomach sex with them. If the masseur is repulsed by the client, they can stick to their lousy rubdown, collect their fee, and go. If the client is ok, they do a quicky, collect their money and go. Neither scenario involves a decent massage. Hustlers, basically.

 

To be clear, I've had some great massages from time to time also, I'm just lamenting the difficulty of finding them.

 

Hi Corndog,

 

Nice to have you here.

 

I think that you make some valid observations, and while not everyone is a "cut-rate" escort out there in the massage world, there are many that are. I think that the best solution would be to communicated wery well with your potential massage thereapist. Find out if they have a license to practice massage, and what kind of schooling they have had, and what modalities they parctice. Next research the web and look for reviews on this person. Daddys may not be the best place for massage thereapist reviews, but most m4m massage sites seem to carry reviews. Getting a hard on with a hunky male massage therapist is nothing new, perhaps you should discuss it with him in advance just to ease your mind (or find someone else if you do not like the response). I am sure that most open to sensual massage will be easy to speak to about this. I see a great woman for my massage. She is very good, and I do not feel aroused ever. Perhaps you can have two therapists (unless you are bi). A woman for theraputic, and an man for more sensual pleasures.

 

Just a thought or two

[Guest Spanky]

Here's the problem I've had several times recently, which is perhaps the opposite of the original poster's issue:

 

I'm seeking a real, skilled massage covering my whole body, from head to toe. I tend to shy away from they guys who advertise as strictly therapeutic because, for me, it's practically inevitable that I'll become aroused, and that seems awkward with someone who has made it clear in their advertising that there will be no hanky-panky. Besides, I'm cool with a nice happy ending, as long as it isn't the focus of the whole experience.

 

 

Why don't you find an LMT that only does legit massage therapy? Even one of the oppostie sex to ensure you don't get aroused? Then whenever you want an erotic one you can go to someone that specializes in that and not have to worry about getting a real massage?

[corndog]

Thanks Orbital and Spanky, you give some good suggestions. I think I probably bring this problem partly upon myself, because although I want the focus to be on a good massage, I do enjoy a little sensuality thrown into the mix. I don't want it to be too clinical, but I don't want it to be all about sex either. I've made clumsy attempts at communicating my desires when contacting a masseur, but when I've asked for reassurance that it would be a "real massage" it seemed to be taken as an insult or a response like "trust me, you'll feel good when we're done," which could mean it'll end with an orgasm, or could mean it'll be a good massage.

 

As for the reviews on the massage sites, they're fairly close to useless because you can't really tell whether reviewer wanted sex or a massage, and they're rarely specific about what was good about the masseur. In addition, I think both major massage sites (massagem4m and masseurfinder) allow the masseurs to reject reviews that they don't like.

 

One trend I have seen... in most markets if a masseur is advertising at $200 or more per hour, I think there is a pretty good chance that it's going to be more of an escort experience, and not focused on massage. For that price, I would hope so.

[orbital sander]

One trend I have seen... in most markets if a masseur is advertising at $200 or more per hour, I think there is a pretty good chance that it's going to be more of an escort experience, and not focused on massage. For that price, I would hope so.

 

Me too...