Benefits of a Bordello

[+ glutes]

In the Euro section of the M-F, a Hoovillian writes the below. It should apply to us anywhere, whether using rentboy, gaydar or gayromeo. Villa Gianni in London is, unfortunately , is a dying breed.

 

"While I'm on the subject, it's also worth bearing in mind that some of the Gaydar guys use photos of other people entirely! You can turn up and you find someone who may be nice but is simply not the guy in the pictures. You can also find yourself visiting them in a not very nice area and in a not very nice flat or room. The ones who do outcalls only are a bit of a risk, quite frankly. You can have no idea of their real appearance or behaviour until they're actually in your home or hotel.

At least at VG you get what you see, and it's clean and well run by polite staff. I've even changed my mind when I've met the guy in the room and they haven't charged me. Lastly, window-shopping (literally) is fun, and that bit doesn't cost anything at all!"

[+ bigjoey]

That is why "The Gaiety" was so good: you got to see the goods before you bought!

[imrthr]

What you see in photos is not always what you get in the flesh

 

 

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"While I'm on the subject, it's also worth bearing in mind that some of the Gaydar guys use photos of other people entirely! You can turn up and you find someone who may be nice but is simply not the guy in the pictures.

 

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It seems that using the photo or photos of another person is not so unusual whether it is on Gaydar or some other agency.

 

In connection with a fake photo (s), I just had a strange incident occur with someone using another's photo.

 

A few years ago I met a guy in Sao Paulo at Lagoa sauna. We got along well and I saw a lot of him. One day he disappeared. I heard that he went to work in Spain.

 

I recently came across an advertisement that has pictures of the guy I met at Lagoa and the ad shows the same name I knew for the guy.

 

Since I will be going to Spain in the very near future, I telephoned the number in the advertisement. I asked for Daniel (my friend from Lagoa and the guy in the advertisement). The person answering the telephone said he was Daniel. However, I knew the voice was not that of Daniel.

 

I talked to the guy who answered the phone and asked if he remembered me from Sao Paulo. He said he did. I told the guy that I know Daniel quite well and that I know Daniel's voice and that he was not Daniel.

 

The guy quickly said that Daniel was away from Barcelona for a while and let him use his advertisement and telephone and that I should come to visit him.

 

I have no intention of visiting someone who would pull a stunt like using fake photos, particularly of someone I know. The photos in the advertisement are two or three years old.

 

Bottom line, what you see in photos in not always what you get. Buyer beware and all.

 

By the way, here is a link to the impostor's advertisement:

 

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=73096&scid=41485427&sp=1&pos=16&locid=1180&iid=26186

 

I wonder what happened to the real Daniel.

 

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[migueldeltoro]

Interesting seeing those pics. There's an escort in Seattle who has used those photos for quite sometime. I didn't think they were actually him, but tried to give the benefit of the doubt. He recently replaced them with pics of a whole different person. Not sure if either set is actually of him.

[imrthr]

Interesting seeing those pics. There's an escort in Seattle who has used those photos for quite sometime. I didn't think they were actually him, but tried to give the benefit of the doubt. He recently replaced them with pics of a whole different person.

 

 

Not sure if either set is actually of him.

 

 

Unless the Seattle escort is from Brazil and speaks Portuguese, the photos could not belong to the escort you mentioned.

 

I seriously doubt that a Brazilian would or could move to Seattle and set up an escort service.

 

The real Daniel lived in Sao Paulo a few years ago and purportedly moved to Spain.

 

However, the Seattle person you mentioned is using fake pictures if he was using the photos of the real Daniel of Brazil. As I wrote, I know the real Daniel.

 

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[curious2000]

Well the pics of the "real Daniel" from Brazil are HOT. He is a very sexy and gorgeous young man. You were lucky to have spent time with such a stunningly handsome guy. I hope you find "The real Daniel" and he stops the imposter that stole his beautiful pics, but that would a difficult thing to do. At least we have this messege board to inform of us fraudulent ads like these. thank you for that.

 

 

Unless the Seattle escort is from Brazil and speaks Portuguese, the photos could not belong to the escort you mentioned.

 

I seriously doubt that a Brazilian would or could move to Seattle and set up an escort service.

 

The real Daniel lived in Sao Paulo a few years ago and purportedly moved to Spain.

 

However, the Seattle person you mentioned is using fake pictures if he was using the photos of the real Daniel of Brazil. As I wrote, I know the real Daniel.

 

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[JT Brooklyn]

Gaiety & Stellas

 

That is why "The Gaiety" was so good: you got to see the goods before you bought!

 

Definitely and IF the Goods were not to your Specifications...There was always STELLAS!

[imrthr]

 

Well the pics of the "real Daniel" from Brazil are HOT. He is a very sexy and gorgeous young man. You were lucky to have spent time with such a stunningly handsome guy.

 

 

 

Although the real Daniel is quite "handsome" and "gorgeous" and all those good things, in Brazil there are many similar such guys available. Many are far more handsome than Daniel. Most are rather charming.

 

You can meet them in the saunas or other places if you are adventurous.

 

You can also find similar guys in Spain, particularly in Barcelona and Madrid. The easiest place to meet them in Spain is in the saunas.

 

If you have never taken a trip to Brazil or Spain, you should give it some consideration. You will not be disappointed.

 

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[+ Axiom2001]

Well the pics of the "real Daniel" from Brazil are HOT. He is a very sexy and gorgeous young man. You were lucky to have spent time with such a stunningly handsome guy. I hope you find "The real Daniel" and he stops the imposter that stole his beautiful pics, but that would a difficult thing to do. At least we have this messege board to inform of us fraudulent ads like these. thank you for that.

 

I've emailed the Daniel in the http://www.rentboy.com ad of a few occasions because I truly desire to meet him when I'm in BCN in October of this year. He's written back (in English).

 

BTW this particular cutie who I desire to devour (front and back-- head to toe) has an ad at http://www.Arrowmen.com in the Bacelona area, too, as well as at http://www.romeogay.com, I think.

[imrthr]

 

I've emailed the Daniel in the http://www.rentboy.com ad of a few occasions because I truly desire to meet him when I'm in BCN in October of this year. He's written back (in English).

 

Correction - you have e-mailed a person who claims to be the person in the photos and who calls himself Daniel of Barcelona. You do not know who answered your e-mail and you do not know if the guy in the photos answered your e-mail. All you know is that you got a response to your e-mail.

 

Sorry to upset your apple cart, but the guy who answered the telephone when I called Barcelona (who initially lied and said he was Daniel) is not the guy in the pictures. I met the guy in the pictures in Sao Paulo. I knew him for several months. He used to go to Lagoa. Then he suddenly disappeared from the sauna scene.

 

 

BTW this particular cutie who I desire to devour (front and back-- head to toe) has an ad at http://www.Arrowmen.com in the Bacelona area, too, as well as at http://www.romeogay.com, I think.

 

 

Interesting seeing those pics. There's an escort in Seattle who has used those photos for quite sometime. I didn't think they were actually him, but tried to give the benefit of the doubt. He recently replaced them with pics of a whole different person. Not sure if either set is actually of him.

 

Don't you wonder why those same pictures were used by a different escort in Seattle? Doesn't that give you a clue that something might not be right about those photos?

 

By the way, one site (rentboy) says he is based in Barcelona while the other site (arrowmen) says he is based in Barcelona and Madrid. He uses the same photos for both sites.

 

I eagerly wait for you to post your experience after you visit with the person who presently masquarades as Daniel of BCN, formerly of Sao Paulo.

 

Here is another example of another "escort" using the photos of another person. Not a pretty picture. You really have to be careful.

 

Months ago I had a bad experience with a guy in Milan called LEOLoreto, whom by the way looks like (luckily!) he disappeared from the ads of Escorts in gayromeo.

 

Recently I saw the ad of a guy whose screenname is BISEXESCORT, pictures are very hot, I wrote to him, he asked 120 Euros, then I called and he asked for 100 and so I went to his place.

When he opened the door in briefs I immediately realized he was not the same guy of the pics, even if his body wasn't bad.

I immediately told him that, he denied saying he just wasn't in perfect shape as in his pics for an injury, but I felt cheated and disappointed and left.

 

I have to say that I had also some very nice experience with escorts in ayromeo, but anyway I don't get it: do some people think one his stupid??

 

 

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[Isis123]

Arrowmen is an agency which has had very mixed reviews. They frequently list escorts as being in both Barcelona and Madrid - what they mean is that they will travel to the other city if the client pays. Listing in the two cities is not therefore a sign of dishonesty on the part of the escort.

 

The current Gayromeo ad for Danielbcn does have some very positive and credible reviews from clients who seem to have hired him - but these are all from 2009.

 

Latin escorts in some European cities frequently use someone who speaks good English to answer calls and emails. These "helpers" will often claim to be the person they are assisting. It is certainly not unknown for these people to play fast and loose with photographs either.

[adriano46]

Back to Bordellos

 

I started reading this thread last evening, but never got around to commenting, then this morning, opened it and it has become something else - a sort of thread on some Brazilian named Daniel(e)??!!!

 

For the sake of ending the off-topic of this Daniel (no offense to his fans) and returning it to the original question...

 

Almosgt 20 years ago I began using the many male bordellos of Euope (called "Houses of Boys" in the SPARTICUS GUIDE), and found these the most interesting and exciting for a a resonably inexpensive night of fun and pleasure. Most of the houses were (some still are) located in Germany or the Netherlands but lately the ones in the Netherlands are almost all gone thanks to internet sites:(

 

What the original poster mentioned about the value of a Villa Giani's was absolutely correct: you had a chance to not only see, but also interact with the guys before you chose one. In fact, in some places, you could sit in the lunge with these guys for an hour or two (or more) and not even go further, if none appealed to you. The great advantage was that you would see them all, they saw you, they would serve drinks (but in most good establishments, they only had soft drinks or water themselves), and the male "madam" would not interfere too much (in fact one night, I chose HIM as he was the hottest in the room)

 

Sadly, for many economic reasons these places are fewer and fewer in Europe. Before they housed a large array of immigrants" (Eastern Europeans or Latin Americans being the most popular). But with open borders in Europe the mix is more eclectic.

 

I always regretted such places closed down in the States (tho I hav to say, NY's Gaity and Stella's never came close to these European establishments, but at least you saw what you were getting). The bordellos in Hamburg were really sleazy (in a sexual way) with guys just about doing it on your lap before you decided you wanted to go with them (as there was a lot of competition, so they literally plied their wares to get noticed). The same was true in some of the Amsterdam Houses.

 

But now, it seems we are stuck in the new cyber age and we have to go with cropped (or borrowed) photos and lacklster reviews. This site is the only reputable place where one can get a give and take on an escort before forking out $250-$300 (or more)/hr. With internet porn videos, the lure of getting you into a place like the GAITY for a film (remember, KINGS and other such movie houses in NYC??? is gone. So we are left cyber-shopping.

 

The excitment of the bordello, with the dimly lit lounge, the beat of the music, and seeing anywhere from 4-15 working guys at a time sitting around smiling at you, trying to entice you to take them upstairs for an hour or two (or back to your hotel) is long gone.

[+ glutes]

This site is the only reputable place where one can get a give and take on an escort before forking out $250-$300 (or more)/hr. With internet porn videos, the lure of getting you into a place like the GAITY for a film (remember, KINGS and other such movie houses in NYC??? is gone. So we are left cyber-shopping.

 

Adriano, you caught the intent of my post. Photoshopping , age defying, age lying, or simply another person...

We are all becoming victims of, as I term it, the 'Substitute Prostitute'.

[JT Brooklyn]

Substitute Prostitutes!

 

"Sub Tutes" I like that!

 

"Rentboy NYC" should have a Section just for these guys!

[LurkerSpeaks]

While I have never (yet anyways) made it to Europe to try out the Houses of Boys, I have been to Rio and from the sounds of it, it is pretty similar... sitting in the lounge area and being surrounded by anywhere from 10 to 30 or more stunning young men, all vying for your attention.. Most of whom are not shy about showing off their "assets"...So while the Houses are disappearing in Europe, there are still Saunas going strong in Brazil.

[imrthr]

 

While I have never (yet anyways) made it to Europe to try out the Houses of Boys, I have been to Rio and from the sounds of it, it is pretty similar... sitting in the lounge area and being surrounded by anywhere from 10 to 30 or more stunning young men, all vying for your attention.. Most of whom are not shy about showing off their "assets".

 

 

 

..So while the Houses are disappearing in Europe, there are still Saunas going strong in Brazil.

 

 

"going strong in Brazil" and in Spain and in Zurich and in Vienna (to a lessor degree).

 

Try them, you'll like them.

 

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[Londontop]

Vienna bordello ?

 

"going strong in Brazil" and in Spain and in Zurich and in Vienna (to a lessor degree). Try them, you'll like them. -

 

Hi - would you care to share where a "house with boys" can be found in Vienna? A few years ago there was a bit of "market offer" in the historic Kaiserbruendl sauna, keeping alive traditions from the days of Archduke Ludwig Viktor & Co. I gathered that change of management had clamped down on it. Last year there was little, if any, sign of it.

 

The Paragonya Sauna in Zurich is like a candystore, with attractive - and pleasant- boys, and very well managed. I can't see any of the current London saunas being able to provide that level of service, even if they were ever minded to open their doors to "working boys". So far as Europe is concerned, perhaps you need that Swiss combination of seriousness and efficiency to make a place like that run, well, like clock-work....

[+ glutes]

 

The Paragonya Sauna in Zurich is like a candystore, with attractive - and pleasant- boys, and very well managed. I can't see any of the current London saunas being able to provide that level of service, even if they were ever minded to open their doors to "working boys". So far as Europe is concerned, perhaps you need that Swiss combination of seriousness and efficiency to make a place like that run, well, like clock-work....

 

Paragonya runs like a Rolex...

 

http://iconicwatches.co.uk/our-blog/wp-content/uploads/rolex_submariner_50th-thumb-450x337-3834.jpeg

[adriano46]

Me and my Bordello

 

Adriano, you caught the intent of my post. Photoshopping , age defying, age lying, or simply another person...

We are all becoming victims of, as I term it, the 'Substitute Prostitute'.

 

Thanks Glutes I was pretty sure that is what you meant.

 

To others here, yes the saunas in Switzerland are still far superior to other places; I tried many in Budapest but not quite as nice. There was until a year ago a sort of bordello-type sauna in Vienna, but can't remember the name at this moment and have not seen a SPARTICUS GUIDE since 2008.

 

My secret dream in retirement (when I win the NY Lottery), is to buy a 3-story loft; turn the round floor into a large lobby, stairs down to basement where there is an Olympic size pool, locker rooms, saunas (wet and dry) and dark room type labyrinth; stairs back up to entry floor with enormous state-of-the-art gym, weights, aerobic room and juice bar.

 

2nd Floor with dark, warm, sensuous bar and dance floor with lounge areas to watch and mix, staffed by boys and men in skimpy gym shorts or speedos; shower rooms, and private cabinet rooms with mattress on floor and sliding doors... and a few work rooms for professional/sensual massage.

 

3rd floor, rooms for rent for private meetings with "staff" for up two hours...

 

Ah but I have to win the lottery first.

[imrthr]

Hi - would you care to share where a "house with boys" can be found in Vienna? A few years ago there was a bit of "market offer" in the historic Kaiserbruendl sauna, keeping alive traditions from the days of Archduke Ludwig Viktor & Co. I gathered that change of management had clamped down on it. Last year there was little, if any, sign of it.

 

 

"going strong in Brazil" and in Spain and in Zurich and in Vienna (to a lessor degree).

 

 

Try them, you'll like them.

 

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Please recall, that I wrote "and in Vienna (to a lessor degree") which means there is action in Vienna but opportunities are not as sure or plentiful as they are in the other cities I mentioned.

 

Earlier this year I was in Vienna and went to Kaiserbründl-Sauna. I have been to Vienna many times over the years. If you have been to that sauna, you will notice posted prominently on the wall a sign saying in various languages - NO PROSTITUTION.

 

However, while I was at that sauna, I was approached several times by young guys who were mainly from surrounding countries. None were Austrians or Germans. Initially, the contact from the young guys was casual chatter such as where am I from and what am I doing in Vienna and so forth. Eventually, the conversation led to questions such as was I looking to meet any young guys for a fee. Of course, the language they used was rather crude but there was no question what they wanted - they wanted to make some money while hustling in the sauna.

 

These conversations took place in various parts of the sauna including in the restaurant section.

 

Based on the sign that prohibits prostitution, a customer might get the idea that such activities are not allowed at the sauna. However, the sign might be posted merely to placate the city laws or certain customers. I do not know. All I know is what I observed when I was there. A few years ago, a similar sign was on the wall and no one seemed to pay any attention to it then either. Quite simply, young guys offered sex for a fee.

 

If you have been to Vienna, you must also know there is still a lot of hustling done beneath the Vienna Opera house. In certain parts of Stadt Park there is also hustling done during the day.

 

In summary, I think the best place to meet guys is Brazil, next Spain and Zurich. In Brazil the guys are charming and down to earth. In Spain the guys can be charming but they tend to be more commercial and less inclined to be friendly. In Zurich (Paragonya) you can meet some handsome guys but the sauna is too "sterile" for my likes. The clickish clients sitting in those overstuffed chairs on hardwood floors and walking around in bare feet are not what I call comfortable. Many of the available guys at Paragonya are stunning.

 

You asked, I answered. I hope this helps in your curiosity.

 

Here is the contact for the Vienna sauna: Kaiserbründl-Sauna Weihburggasse 18-20

 

1010 Wien, Österreich01 51332930‎

 

http://www.kaiserbruendl.at

 

-Correction:

 

I just noticed while looking at the sauna site for Vienna that the sauna now charges 21 euros for those funny little wooden rooms they call a "cubicle" - I do not know if those things lock. I recall seeing them but they are tiny rooms that contain a sort of bed and a small walking area.

[Guest ItsMeDears]

<"but lately the ones in the Netherlands are almost all gone thanks to internet sites">

 

No joke. Was in Amsterdam and saw they had one left. And they said it had more to do with the taxes for establishments like that their version of the "city council" had established in order to shut them down. AMSTERDAM!

[adriano46]

<"but lately the ones in the Netherlands are almost all gone thanks to internet sites">

 

No joke. Was in Amsterdam and saw they had one left. And they said it had more to do with the taxes for establishments like that their version of the "city council" had established in order to shut them down. AMSTERDAM!

 

ItsMe - Yes, the taxes contributed quite a bit to the closures, but they began already a half-dozen years back. Some of the original owners of these places began to get lazy, the bars/lounges were geting pretty badly worn, the rooms not well kept, and the boys working the place... well some of them were best seen wth very VERY soft blue lights... not for bright lights at all.

 

Then they began to even treat clients shabbily - upping prices on watered down drinks, and shouting at some who did not pick guys fast enough. It was pretty different from the early 90's when these were often crowded, fun places where one could either sit and chat with others (clients and escorts alike) and mingle, or even sit quietly and watch (not bad in itself).

 

My last visit to Amsterdam was depressing as almost all my old haunts were closed and shuttered. What a change. Few (if any) hustler bars, and no houses of boys (only one was left and it was never that good), and if you wanted action, you had to have access to the internet. Even the idea of picking up a guy on teh street was nearly impossible. The old haunts for that have disappeared (as they have in many other European capitals).

 

Did the market simply dry up? I doubt it (as we are here writing about these places ) but taxes, urban beautification, tourism into what were the underbelly areas of cities, etc... and the onslaught of internet chat places have all contributed to shutting down one of the more civil and gentile modes of meeting escorts when in a foreign city.

[Guest ItsMeDears]

Well, it's not just gay - Amsterdam is also shrinking the Red Light District to where I think it will end up as a block or two, with the red lights under the bridges, as a novelty-tourist attraction - night photo op.

It's a wonderfully beautiful city and if "prime real estate" is being occupied by sleazy establishments where condos or other could be instead, you know who financially will win out. Especially if the only other option is a houseboat on the water.

[Gar1eth]

I probably will never get to Austria,Vienna,Switzerland, Brazil, or etc. I don't have anyone to go with--and I am I admit a bit skittish to go without anyone "having my back" as it were--but if I ever did gather the courage and money to go--do the Vienna and Swiss saunas have rooms that you can rent? I know from prior posts that the ones in Brazil do.

 

Gman

[imrthr]

 

I probably will never get to Austria,Vienna,Switzerland, Brazil, or etc. I don't have anyone to go with--and I am I admit a bit skittish to go without anyone "having my back" as it were--but if I ever did gather the courage and money to go--do the Vienna and Swiss saunas have rooms that you can rent? I know from prior posts that the ones in Brazil do.

 

Gman

 

 

I am sorry that you do not have anyone to accompany you on what would potentially be a magnificent trip to one of the saunas mentioned on this forum.

 

I recall the first time I went to Brazil and visited a sauna. I was uncomfortable in a new surrounding and was quite timid. I traveled there with a friend which made it easier for me to adjust to the new experience.

 

Now, when I go to Brazil and other countries, I often go alone. I know the areas well and I do not feel intimidated. Familiarity happens to most people who become accustomed with travel and places they know.

 

Maybe one day you will find someone to travel with you.

 

With respect to your question "do the Vienna and Swiss saunas have rooms that you can rent?" the answer is no.

 

In Vienna, your admission price to the sauna includes access to a small cabine where you supposedly "rest" in between your use of the sauna facilities.

 

While in Zurich, (Paragonya) there are no rooms (that I am aware of). The lower floor of the sauna is where the "sitting rooms" and small snack bar exist. Here you find (in my opinion) "stuffy" older (the in crowd) clients who sit around reading or talking with each other. At the end of the sitting room is a staircase that leads to the second floor of the sauna where the working guys are generally found. Often times you will see young guys hanging around the bottom of the staircase. There is a narrow hallway around the other side of the staircase where young guys stand and wait for potential business.

 

Once up the stairs you will see many guys of all sort of nationalities. You will even see Brazilians. Once you decide on a private meeting with the guy, there are "rooms" that have no doors that lock. The rooms are not really private as anyone can look in or come into the room if you are there together with a guy. However, it is possible to make it difficult for intruders to come into the room while you occupy it, if you are creative.

 

If you have never been to a sauna, in my opinion, you would be better off first visiting the saunas of Brazil and Spain. While Zurich is fine, it is a cold environment. Vienna is unique because of the pretended denial of the obvious.

 

Good luck

 

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