Do you think Adam4Adam is a waste of time?

[Mocha]

I'm tempted to just press the delete link on my adam4adam profile. It just seems like a waste of time to even have an ad there, with annoying responses and then if a client does respond, he seems to want a discount out of this world.

 

For example, I had met a client for the 1st time for 1 hour. He told me he wanted to take me across country with him for 3 days, and how much it would be. He wanted the answer right then and there. I told him I haven't done 3 days before and I'd have to come back to him with an answer. He wasn't too happy about my response, but at the end I told him.

 

Well then, he messages me on adam4adam saying he'd love to take me on the trip but its too much. I then counter-offered another rate, under the conditions of companionship-only. It was a very low rate, but he still said he couldn't do it because of airfare and hotel.

 

This isn't about his finances, but in general...sometimes I think, what do they expect? If they want to have a boy toy for company then why bother with an escort? I'm not going to charge $500 for 3 days...thats insanity.

 

And it goes on...1 client from adam ended up giving me only $300 for an overnight few months ago. It was a travel appointment and I felt like the stupidest idiot in the world for having done it as by the time I got home I had like 40 bucks. I met with him again couple months later for 2 hours, but then he tried to talk me into doing an overnight for free!

 

It just seems that no matter how I market myself on there, it doesn't do any good. Either my rate is too high, or they want to give me shit pay...I cant even find a good medium. And if I offer massage they want to get fucked for $60...To hell with that!

[josephga]

I would invest in better advertising. I put my ad on there for massage once and turned down every contact and removed the ad a week later, similar experience with the craiglist. People calling expecting sex out of a 75.00 massage even though i made it blunt clear in all ads that oral and anal sex wasn't part of it. they would get pissed off make catty comments.. people that use sites like adam4adam are looking for a fire sale.

[darius1771]

Adam4Adam Can Bring Good Clients

 

The trick is to never compromise your rates. Of course adam4adam is more of a general community like craigslist so you are going to get all sorts of customers some of which have little etiquette. Whenever you encounter these types of potential clients I would just politely decline their offer and don't give them the time of day. You know what your worth and its only showing yourself and the negotiator that you respect yourself and your business. Is it ok to give a small discount here and there? yes but just don't make a habit of it. In My opinion Adam4Adam is great for advertising and at only $10/month is well worth the traffic. Be sure to put a link on your ad to your website.

[BaronArtz]

From the perspective of a potential client, I find the PRO section of a4a entertaining, but not really helpful. Here in NYC, the a4a site sometimes includes ads from well known escorts such as Arpad Miklos or Mario Ortiz (or from people using their pics). For the most part though, it's mostly the amateur escorts who advertise on a4a. I have no problem with amateur escorts, except when the names change continuously and the pics are stolen or badly photoshopped to show elephantine appendages that are obviously suspect. In summary: entertaining to look at, but not reliable if you want to hire.

[instudiocity]

Yes.

[Kevin Slater]

I've always had a hard time with sites that list pro ads along with general hook-up ads. If someone is looking to hire, he can go to a dedicated site for that and easily find what he wants. But if he's just looking at a general hook-up site, tossing in pro ads with his search result seems a bit offensive to me, sort of like a hustler working a bar.

 

That being said, I do advertise on A4A and it accounts for just under 5% of my revenue.

 

Kevin Slater

[Toulouse]

From the perspective of a potential client, I find the PRO section of a4a entertaining, but not really helpful.

 

Yep, I totally agree with Baron on this. I've never hired a guy that I saw advertised on A4A, although the ads are occasionally amusing to read (just like Craiglist)... Most of the guys on these hook-up sites just strikes me as a bit sketchy and less professional than the (usually more established) escorts profiled on the more premiere sites like Rentboy, Rentmen, M4RN, etc.

[RockCreekRunr]

Good to know about...

 

Interesting! I had absolutely no idea Adam4adam featured escort ads. I've never even looked there for them. Gonna check it out now. Thanks for clueing me in.

[Terpmaniac]

First of all, as a client(mainly for massage)I like a4a very much. The escorts and masseurs tend to show a lot more skin:D so you pretty much know what you are getting. Also, since I am on a4a as well when I inquire about a possible session they too can see what they will be putting their hands on:) by simply looking at my profile. I have hired over the years maybe a half-dozen or so masseurs from this site. Most will open a face pic once you are serious about meeting and I will always do the same..have not had a bad experience and most of the guys I have hired I have seen on other sites as well.

[Mocha]

I've always had a hard time with sites that list pro ads along with general hook-up ads. If someone is looking to hire, he can go to a dedicated site for that and easily find what he wants. But if he's just looking at a general hook-up site, tossing in pro ads with his search result seems a bit offensive to me, sort of like a hustler working a bar.

 

That being said, I do advertise on A4A and it accounts for just under 5% of my revenue.

 

Kevin Slater

 

Haha, good one...although I wouldn't quite say hustler at a bar being that it does allow to have a separate headline saying PRO. The hustlers are like the gits on craigslists 'casual encounter' sessions offering $exy $ervices.

 

I broke and deleted my profile yesterday. It wasn't a complete waste because I had gotten 1 or 2 clients from there since the last time I paid. I go thru phases with the site but I dislike waiting around on there. The guys never call me directly and then email me, "where'd you go?" still here? And then there are the ones who seem like they 'might' want to hire, and spend 2 hours (or 2 months) of my time figuring it out.

 

Ironically, my former client I'm dating now, we met off my Adam pro ad...but he also seen me on another site prior to that.

 

First of all, as a client(mainly for massage)

most of the guys I have hired I have seen on other sites as well.

 

Exactly...so its like, why spend 5 hours sitting on adam, sifting thru millions of 'hot pic' emails when chances are that same client will find me elsewhere? Craigslist is good for massage as thats the only service they allow men to post.

[josephga]

oh theres guys that advertise escorting on the craiglist. they post under the services section under adult. some guys think its safer legally to advertise under massage than escorting which isn't true. escorting is a misdemeanor. giving a massage without a license is a felony in some state including ga. since 2007 iv had to show my license twice.. GA is strange about somethings fulton and decalb county requires a permit to strip and a permit to escort.. Atlanta is the only city i know of where a person can be arrested for selling time, regardless if they mention sex or not if you dont have that permit

[Mocha]

escorting is a misdemeanor. giving a massage without a license is a felony in some state including ga.

 

Lets forget about Georgia for a moment, as no escort worth their weight in salt would ever live there (kidding . Can you supply something that backs up exactly what you're saying? I believe such thing would apply to an establishment, that would consider itself a business with a business listing of some sort. Not a random person paying for the company of someone who'd give massage. I've had 2 clients who are massage therapist...one was a chiropractor. They both wanted me to perform a massage at some point during the session and didn't mention anything along the lines of it being a criminal act. That would be ridiculous.

 

Otherwise, craigslist adult service section would be extinct as we know it for they'd be nuking everyone who ever posted an ad for massage.

[josephga]

Lets forget about Georgia for a moment, as no escort worth their weight in salt would ever live there (kidding . Can you supply something that backs up exactly what you're saying? I believe such thing would apply to an establishment, that would consider itself a business with a business listing of some sort. Not a random person paying for the company of someone who'd give massage. I've had 2 clients who are massage therapist...one was a chiropractor. They both wanted me to perform a massage at some point during the session and didn't mention anything along the lines of it being a criminal act. That would be ridiculous.

 

Otherwise, craigslist adult service section would be extinct as we know it for they'd be nuking everyone who ever posted an ad for massage.

 

read the whole thing keep in mind this is for ga. it went in effect in 2007. keep in mind each state has different laws. since may of 09 i know of 6 guys charged with massaging without a license and over 15 girls all busted with ads on the craiglist advertising massage in the adult or therapeutic section.

 

http://sos.georgia.gov/acrobat/PLB/laws/50_Massage_Therapists_43-24A.pdf

[migueldeltoro]

While the price of advertising on A4A is nominal compared to most sites, you are marketing to a demographic who likes things free. In Seattle, I chose not to advertise on M4M as all I get are Tina queens contacting me at all hours of the night for jobs that rarely ever go through.

 

Personally, I have a policy of never negotiating rates. Period. My minimum is 200 and it goes up from there based on distance. I found that whenever I went below my quoted rate the client was someone less than desirable and generally tried to get the deal even cheaper once we met. And food for thought, if it ever got out on a message forum that you'll work cheaper, trust me every client there on out will try to get you for what the other client got. From there I think it would be next to impossible to get your published rate.

 

Those are my two cents!

 

Miguel

 

www.migueldeltoro.com

[josephga]

While the price of advertising on A4A is nominal compared to most sites, you are marketing to a demographic who likes things free. In Seattle, I chose not to advertise on M4M as all I get are Tina queens contacting me at all hours of the night for jobs that rarely ever go through.

 

Personally, I have a policy of never negotiating rates. Period. My minimum is 200 and it goes up from there based on distance. I found that whenever I went below my quoted rate the client was someone less than desirable and generally tried to get the deal even cheaper once we met. And food for thought, if it ever got out on a message forum that you'll work cheaper, trust me every client there on out will try to get you for what the other client got. From there I think it would be next to impossible to get your published rate.

 

Those are my two cents!

 

Miguel

 

www.migueldeltoro.com

 

I agree with you. know your value and stick with it. i had a guy call me once and said i see you charge 75 for a massage. i have a friend i use to go to that charges 50. i said well you better call him up b4 he books up lmao. there are people out there wanting caviar at a happy meal rates.

[jj69action]

I'm tempted to just press the delete link on my adam4adam profile. It just seems like a waste of time to even have an ad there, with annoying responses and then if a client does respond, he seems to want a discount out of this world.

 

For example, I had met a client for the 1st time for 1 hour. He told me he wanted to take me across country with him for 3 days, and how much it would be. He wanted the answer right then and there. I told him I haven't done 3 days before and I'd have to come back to him with an answer. He wasn't too happy about my response, but at the end I told him.

 

Well then, he messages me on adam4adam saying he'd love to take me on the trip but its too much. I then counter-offered another rate, under the conditions of companionship-only. It was a very low rate, but he still said he couldn't do it because of airfare and hotel.

 

This isn't about his finances, but in general...sometimes I think, what do they expect? If they want to have a boy toy for company then why bother with an escort? I'm not going to charge $500 for 3 days...thats insanity.

 

And it goes on...1 client from adam ended up giving me only $300 for an overnight few months ago. It was a travel appointment and I felt like the stupidest idiot in the world for having done it as by the time I got home I had like 40 bucks. I met with him again couple months later for 2 hours, but then he tried to talk me into doing an overnight for free!

 

It just seems that no matter how I market myself on there, it doesn't do any good. Either my rate is too high, or they want to give me shit pay...I cant even find a good medium. And if I offer massage they want to get fucked for $60...To hell with that!

 

YES! My experience with adam4adam hasn't been the GREATEST and I am not an escort....much better experience on Squirt.....just saying. I will pay my escort in advance until I have enough "credit" to have the overnight or trip price or what ever...since TRUST is such an important factor in our sex play, I have no problem and he hasn't relayed one to me...!

[tanman4u]

Well Adam4Adam, at this moment, has more "professionals" than all the other sites combined but that's mainly due to a glitch in their system. If you click on Pros you get the same thing as if you just clicked Members Online.

[instudiocity]

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Personally, I have a policy of never negotiating rates. Period. My minimum is 200 and it goes up from there based on distance. I found that whenever I went below my quoted rate the client was someone less than desirable and generally tried to get the deal even cheaper once we met. And food for thought, if it ever got out on a message forum that you'll work cheaper, trust me every client there on out will try to get you for what the other client got. From there I think it would be next to impossible to get your published rate.

 

Bravo Miguel. First, It's a Service, you're not Wal-Mart constantly rolling back prices because you're the gorilla in the market soaking up all the customers. Second, it is a premium service for a luxury niche. I mean that having a sex is a luxury not a necessity (believe it or not) and in this market (man-to-man) it's even more limited, special and rare. Third, negotiating price is an indicator that the buyer is not yet committed to purchasing the service. Imagine if you would speaking to a waiter about the prime rib (double entendré intentional). "Well, I'd like the prime rib, rare, and since you aren't cooking it as long, I'd like it for 25% less." It just sounds idiotic!

[migueldeltoro]

Just to try it one more time (thanks to this thread), I put up an ad on A4A in San Francisco. So far it's been a big waste of time. Over a 100 messages and all of them were either "Hey - You're hot," "Dude, do you always charge? I'm hot can I get it for free?" or "I got $40 is that cool?"

 

It was only $10 to list so I'm not sweating it and if a job does actually come up, cool. However, I don't think I will be doing it again. Stick with the main escort sites.

[MsGuy]

"A lawyer's time is his stock in trade."

 

Atlanta is the only city i know of where a person can be arrested for selling time, regardless if they mention sex or not

 

Good thing Lincoln lived in Springfield.

[Mocha]

Just to try it one more time (thanks to this thread), I put up an ad on A4A in San Francisco. So far it's been a big waste of time. Over a 100 messages and all of them were either "Hey - You're hot," "Dude, do you always charge? I'm hot can I get it for free?" or "I got $40 is that cool?"

 

It was only $10 to list so I'm not sweating it and if a job does actually come up, cool. However, I don't think I will be doing it again. Stick with the main escort sites.

 

Hey Miguel...sorry to hear about that. Not much luck on my end either. Just tonight, I had this guy show from Adam at my place...rather young looking, but then he walked out within 5 seconds after I unlocked my accurate face photos for him. I think he just wanted to see whether I was real or not...crazy bastard. Few days ago...guy says he's coming, doesnt show...I call him...then he claims I wasn't picking up my phone. Its like, some of them.. they dislike escorts so much that they try to make it difficult for us anyway possible.

 

I decided to re-open my account after a few guys here said it makes up 10% of their income...but to me its not worth the aggravation.

[Mocha]

I found that whenever I went below my quoted rate the client was someone less than desirable and generally tried to get the deal even cheaper once we met.

www.migueldeltoro.com

 

Exactly! Thats why nothing goes on sale. If I lower my rate, its because of the demographics of the region, not because someone talks me into it.

 

It kind of saddens me sometimes to know there are clients out there who want it quick and cheap. Nothing wrong with quick and cheap (if you're referring to drive thru service)....but that person may never see or get with another person like that again. Why should we bend over backwards to make said adam4adam client feel special and get treated like a conveyor belt in return?