Beyond sex.. The romance

[NYTomcat]

OK So here I go once again swimming up river on the forum. Guess I just don’t like going with the flow. So agree with me or not, I think we need to broaden our discussions.

 

This forum has the great effect of being an incredible (would use fabulous but its just too.. well… you know) place to discuss escorts. It’s the main focus, the thing that brings us together. What do or should we all have in common? That we like to hire men with a sexual purpose in mind. Beyond that we are as varied as the stars in the sky or animals in the sea. However, I have noticed a trend. Or more likely, a limit. Something that we as forum members have ignored or almost seem to avoid as if taboo, I’m not sure which. That is the sensuality/romance of hiring and the escorts we hire.

 

Having voraciously read and followed the forum now for quite some time, I have realized we are obsessed with the physical. And rightfully so. We critique escorts stats, cock sizes, preferences, eyes, hair, cleanliness, time, orientation, availability, age or apparent age, photos. We have discussed who has the sexiest feet, the largest cock, the tightest ass…. You name it. (Even to the point that sometime we snipe rather than critique … but I’ve had my say on that) We may, although even this is limited, discuss how they act during sex. And all the while we rarely discuss the sex organ that every sex therapist says is 90 % of the sexual experience… their mind. The old adage applies, “Its not all in what you have, its how you use it.”

 

We seem to avoid the tougher questions: How did they make you feel? How are they beyond the act? What is it like sharing time with them? I know there are many here who only hire for the hour or two of hot steamy sex… Those who could care less who the escorts are or even what there name is. Not that I find anything wrong with that. In fact, I sometimes wish that was me. But its not, and only recently I’ve learned I’m not alone. There are many of us Overnight or other long period hirers who hire not just to “fuck all night until morning” (Though the idea is very appealing although exhausting) We hire for the BF experience.

 

That being said, as a newbie, I have avoided discussing my feelings on this. (After being called pathetic or sad when it was once raised even tangentially) It seems such discussions ultimately lead to claims of blurring lines, falling for escorts, being too attached. I began to second guess my hiring. I began to worry, Uh OH maybe there’s something wrong with the way I hire. Perhaps I’m looking for something that I can’t hire for. Then worse, I almost cancelled with a special friend because I was told “Your blurring lines, you’re falling in love with him and that’s just the garden path to hell and heartbreak.” I am certain, in fact I know that these warnings were for my own good and protection. But being the stubborn ass that I am, and with the support or some of you all here, I ignored them and with palpable fear that I was making the biggest mistake I hired again. And in a totally new panic, I plunged forward to make sure that I could do this but prepared that I was crazy and that I was setting myself up for heartbreak.

 

Well a very long and special weekend with an even more special man has made it quite clear, at least in my case, I would have been the idiot to have given into my fears. There are some escorts who do and truly excel at what we coursely call the bf experience. These are the men who beyond having great bodies (ok with flaws we can all discuss later if necessary as everyone has them) and being dynamite at sex, go beyond the act itself. These are the men who make you feel special. The escort who truly identifies with the client and builds not just sexually but sensually. These are the men who share their minds, their personalities, their likes, their dislikes, their lives, their desires. These are the men who beyond their bodies, put their time and their hearts into their clients. The ones who believe that Romance is as much a part of sex as their cocks. Who truly want to sweep you off your feet not just bang the shit out of you. (Although it’s always best if they want to do both LOL).

 

Yes maybe it is with these men that we risk “falling for” or “blurring the lines” Maybe I’m lucky that I’ve found an escort I consider a friend with whom I can have a romantic intimate sharing experience and not walk away picking out china patterns in my head. But for those of us that hire for that experience… Beyond the sex, these guys deserve our reviews, in the proper section but also our thanks for what they truly do. In fact, Its almost demeaning, in my eyes, to only discuss their physical attributes, when their skills and their openness offers clients so much, much more beyond the physical attributes and acts. So I have started this thread.

 

The Deli is to discuss escorts and I think it’s about time we have a recent thread dedicated to the ones we have found are the very best at providing that intimate, romantic, sensual, experience. So I ask those of you who look for or even just have had this kind of experience, to take a moment here, not just to comment on my ramblings, but if you deem appropriate to say thanks, give a plug and let others know the great experience beyond sex you had with a particular escort. We spend enough time evaluating their bodies, sometimes to the point that even when we are being complimentary we so objectify them that the positive comments ring hollow as all they hear is he’s just a pretty face, ass, cock, etc… Its time we say congrats and thanks for those great Romancers, who so enhance our lives.

 

I have had the great opportunity to say these things in person to the man who has so enhanced my life. I took full advantage of that opportunity, a deep breathe and said as much. I will not share that here as I feel that the experience was personal and not for public consumption. If you feel you have such to say, post it here, send an email, write a review and mention the extra-sexual experience or even call them up and just say thanks. I think in most instances the men who provide this type of experience would appreciate it and the feeling they get for having been so much more than just a sex object.

 

As always thanks for listening and any comments. Even those who cant or don’t understand. For the few who do… its well worth it to remind you that these men deserve to hear it.

 

So forgive if I end with a personal message in my musical way:

 

“Romann” This is for you:

 

 

I've heard it said

That people come into our lives for a reason

Bringing something we must learn

And we are led

To those who help us most to grow

If we let them

And we help them in return

Well, I don't know if I believe that's true

But I know I'm who I am today

Because I knew you:

 

Like a comet pulled from orbit

As it passes a sun

Like a stream that meets a boulder

Halfway through the wood

Who can say if I've been changed for the better?

But because I knew you

I have been changed for good

 

It well may be

That we will never meet again

In this lifetime (This better not be ‘R’)

So let me say before we part

So much of me

Is made of what I learned from you

You'll be with me

Like a handprint on my heart

And now whatever way our stories end

I know you have re-written mine

By being my friend:

Like a ship blown from its mooring

By a wind off the sea

Like a seed dropped by a skybird

In a distant wood

Who can say if I've been changed for the better?

But because I knew you:

 

Because I knew you:

 

I have been changed for good

 

And just to clear the air

I ask forgiveness

For the things I've done you blame me for

 

But then, I guess we know

There's blame to share

 

And none of it seems to matter anymore

 

Like a comet pulled..................... Like a ship blown

From orbit as it.......................... Off it's mooring

Passes a sun,............................ like By a wind off the

A stream that meets....................Sea, like a seed

A boulder, half-way......................Dropped by a

Through the wood .......................Bird in the wood

 

Who can say if I've been changed for the better?

I do believe I have been changed for the better?

 

And because I knew you:

Because I knew you:

Because I knew you:

I have been changed for good.

[+ newatthis]

Hi Tom --

 

Over the years, there's been lots of discussion here of the kind you mention, both in general and with respect to particular escorts. The "BFE" is, I think, very personal to the 2 individuals involved, so it's hard to convey in writing except in the most general terms. And a Romann differs from a David differs from an Anton differs from a Steven Kesslar...

 

One other thought: it's possible to provide a strong sense of connection and sensuality in a short hire as well as well as in a long one. I think (for me at least) it has more to do with an escort's willingness to be open, genuine, and even vulnerable than with his ability to act.

[+ Oliver]

Special Men

 

... the sensuality/romance of hiring and the escorts we hire ... How did they make you feel? How are they beyond the act? What is it like sharing time with them? ... There are some escorts who do and truly excel at what we coursely call the bf experience ... go beyond the act itself. These are the men who make you feel special ...

 

As I wrote in my last review of Steven Kesslar: "A friend from these review boards has described a small group of escorts as “courtesans” or those who represent the epitome of the profession. They are totally professional and are wholly into their clients (pun intended) erotically, sexually, intellectually, and conversationally. They make you feel that you are the only one in whom they are interested at the time. They take care of their bodies and their minds. Steven is at the top of this small group ..." I wrote that two years ago and it still holds true (and even more so) today, not only for Steven, but for that small cadre of men who personify the best - Anton, Aden, Andrew, Dane, David, Greg, Jason, Kevin, Kristian, Raul, Rod, Roman, and Tyger. And, yes, they all differ in physicality, intellectually, sexually, etc. which makes them that much more appealing.

 

... a Romann differs from a David differs from an Anton differs from a Steven Kesslar ... a strong sense of connection and sensuality ... has more to do with an escort's willingness to be open, genuine, and even vulnerable than with his ability to act.

 

So true, and the key word is "connection". It's there with these men, and they make it happen. But all those other attributes that you mention play a major role. Or perhaps my tastes have become more eclectic. In any case, I say Bravo to all of them!

[EXPAT]

I only caution anyone really into the BFE to be careful about crossing the line with your feelings. It can be very dangerous and very disappointing if you don't keep the proper perspective.

 

I believe it is important to talk about that line openly so both parties are mindful of it.

[+ newatthis]

Welcome to multiquote land, Oliver.

[+ bigjoey]

I agree with expat; many times i have to remind myself that i am in a fantasy relationship and keep things in perspective. It can be dangerous to think otherwise.

 

Sometimes these fantasy relationships can turn into reality; I know of one well respected escort who ended up in a full time partnership with a man he met as a client (and then sadly retired). While it CAN happen, so can you win the powerball lottery; possible but not likely.

 

Some of these men are wonderful and great companions and it is easy to forget reality. Do not let your imagination run wild. Just live in the moment.

[dapurplebear]

as a newbie to all this as well -- I understand what you are saying Tom.

 

For some I think the physical companionship is enough sometimes -- for others a connection on an emotional level makes the experience more meaningful and maybe even necessary to feel totally fulfilled. having only had one escort experience -- well reviewed and seemingly popular on several sites, it was physically very nice - but I would have liked more of an emotional connection -- that is just how I approach these things -- at least right now --

 

I do agree that keeping the lines clear as to fantasy (an evening/weekend or hour) vrs. reality - back to our other lives is difficult sometimes, but necessary...

 

Clearly you have found an escort that you really relate to and relates back -- and having a place to share that connection in the hopes that others might find it as well seems a great thing for those looking for it --

 

there is a concurrent post about the boyfriend experience -- maybe that is what this is -- and if so - any reference in adds or reviews that site

"bfe" i think would be appreciated by a number of us -- in preparation for a 2nd outing -- it is something I am interested in finding... that's me -- you are you -- we seem to see things the same here -- but others may not and that is okay! -- ...that is what is great about the world....

 

:-)

[Edward]

this does not even come close to an explaination

 

Tomcat

 

As we grow older, not old, we sometimes like to escape back to the time when we were younger. We could have the best of what was ever available. Whether at the gym, bar or walking down the street. It is still nice to have that strong, toned body next to you even if it is for just the night.

 

We hopefully know ahead of time the activities that will transpire between us. We can have our fantasy for the time. It makes us feel, hopefully, like someone cares about our physical (animal) needs and our psychological needs. I believe, anyone hiring a guy for the evening knows that what transpires is on the guys part is for the money and your part for psychological needs, which may be a boyfriend experience or that sexual fantasy that you do not dare ask anyone else to perform or you cannot find a willing partner to partake in your fantasy.

 

It cannot go without saying the guys physical/mystical beauty is intertwined with the psychological satisfaction. His looks make our heads spin and our blood pump. He makes us horny.

 

We all know who is getting screwed and who is paying for it. Hopefully, we can come away form the experience with the feeling of money well spent.

[doitb4ugo]

as a newbie to all this as well -- I understand what you are saying Tom.

 

For some I think the physical companionship is enough sometimes -- for others a connection on an emotional level makes the experience more meaningful and maybe even necessary to feel totally fulfilled. having only had one escort experience -- well reviewed and seemingly popular on several sites, it was physically very nice - but I would have liked more of an emotional connection -- that is just how I approach these things -- at least right now --

 

I do agree that keeping the lines clear as to fantasy (an evening/weekend or hour) vrs. reality - back to our other lives is difficult sometimes, but necessary...

 

Clearly you have found an escort that you really relate to and relates back -- and having a place to share that connection in the hopes that others might find it as well seems a great thing for those looking for it --

 

there is a concurrent post about the boyfriend experience -- maybe that is what this is -- and if so - any reference in adds or reviews that site

"bfe" i think would be appreciated by a number of us -- in preparation for a 2nd outing -- it is something I am interested in finding... that's me -- you are you -- we seem to see things the same here -- but others may not and that is okay! -- ...that is what is great about the world....

 

:-)

 

Very well said. I too am a newbie with a single experience. In my case, the wanting a closeness not necessarily related to the sexual was the most important thing for me....I agree, having soem discussion about the BFE would certainly help me in moving forward.

[whipped guy]

Special people in our lives...

 

I've heard it said

That people come into our lives for a reason

Bringing something we must learn

But I know I'm who I am today

Because I knew you:

Like a comet pulled from orbit

As it passes a sun

But because I knew you

I have been changed for good

It well may be

That we will never meet again

In this lifetime

So much of me

Is made of what I learned from you

You'll be with me

I have culled the most relevant parts to which I personally can best relate. The only difference in my experience is that instead of a comparison to a comet... my experience is better described as meteoric... in that the special person lasted all too briefly in my life... yet I have been changed forever... and yes, I certainly treasure the moments... and all the more so because we most likely will never ever meet again...

 

It almost makes me somewhat sad, but then again that's because it was so good while it lasted... and I was indeed transformed in the process...

[doitb4ugo]

Thanks for sharing

 

Thanks Whipped Guy:

 

Your sharing has distilled the essence of the relationships we make in a beautiful perspective. It also made me sad but there can be no happiness without sadness to balance it.

[+ nycman]

And with THAT epic opening, let the Wham-Charm wars begin anew!

 

Just kidding, I think it's sweet that Romann has obviously touch you

deeply Tomcat.

 

And when we're being honest, we whammers and you charmers have

more in common with each other than either camp would like to admit.

 

But lord, do you charmers ALWAYS have to be so WORDY?...grin.

 

P.S. When it all crashes and burns, if you start posting the lyrics to

"What I did for Love"...I'm gonna shoot you!

[Guest loboguy]

My post 11/23/2009 read, in part:

 

We all realize that escorting is a contractual relationship, but some of us have been fortunate to connect with these young men as friends in addition to the nature of the services provided. Most of these guys are very special young men, and I, for one, feel fortunate to have spent time with them and to call them friends. [ Friendship knows no age boundaries. ]

 

These young men share the most intimate details and physical nature of themselves. I believe we need to appreciate them and treat them well; they provide companionship beyond what most of us could expect. I, for one, am grateful for them.

 

----------- And I still feel that way today! --------------

[Rod Hagen]

So true, and the key word is "connection". It's there with these men, and they make it happen. But all those other attributes that you mention play a major role. Or perhaps my tastes have become more eclectic. In any case, I say Bravo to all of them![/size][/font]

 

I can verify that Oliver is the true "beyond-sex" experience :-)

[NYTomcat]

Delayed Response

 

Sorry for the delay but Things have been a bit busy here.

 

 

I think most members here respect escorts, discuss about their great personality and frequently compliment escorts that do make us happy. I think escorts like David and Romann have frequently been mentioned here for their great personality. We thank them and compliment escorts like them constantly other than their body parts. I think the escort of the year is intended to thank hard working escorts. So Tom, what am I missing here?

 

Not all clients have the same experience as you Tom and I would appreciate if you could give the benefit of the doubt to other clients and accept how they act on here too.

 

WOW are those claws. Well G I believe my thread makes it very clear that I do respect how other posters feel. (In fact thats why its so damn long) But remind them not to forget the other charms of these men. I would never slam them for their praise of the hotter physical sides and I expect you to extend me the same coutesy. The fact my experience, because its what I seek, has an emotional connection does not diminish what they look for but we tend to focus on those attributes and I believe its important to remind others looking for the BFE type experience which escorts are well equipped to provide that experience as well. Plus it never hurts to point out these men are more than just a hot body.

 

Hi Tom --

 

 

One other thought: it's possible to provide a strong sense of connection and sensuality in a short hire as well as well as in a long one. I think (for me at least) it has more to do with an escort's willingness to be open, genuine, and even vulnerable than with his ability to act.

 

Im so glad to hear that. For me Im a slow bonder so maybe ive limited myself some. also Im newatthis. Im glad to know it can be accomplished in shorter periods So many Men.....So little time.

 

As I wrote in my last review of Steven Kesslar: "A friend from these review boards has described a small group of escorts as “courtesans” or those who represent the epitome of the profession. They are totally professional and are wholly into their clients (pun intended) erotically, sexually, intellectually, and conversationally. They make you feel that you are the only one in whom they are interested at the time.

 

So true, and the key word is "connection". It's there with these men, and they make it happen. But all those other attributes that you mention play a major role. Or perhaps my tastes have become more eclectic. In any case, I say Bravo to all of them!

 

Oliver, you are my hero, really may I model myself after you.

 

I only caution anyone really into the BFE to be careful about crossing the line with your feelings. It can be very dangerous and very disappointing if you don't keep the proper perspective.

 

I believe it is important to talk about that line openly so both parties are mindful of it.

 

You are so right Expat. Its been the warning of the members of this forum that have allowed me to so carefully chart that I was not going "over" the limit. a must in the BFE hire

 

as a newbie to all this as well -- I understand what you are saying Tom.

 

For some I think the physical companionship is enough sometimes -- for others a connection on an emotional level makes the experience more meaningful and maybe even necessary to feel totally fulfilled.

 

I do agree that keeping the lines clear as to fantasy (an evening/weekend or hour) vrs. reality - back to our other lives is difficult sometimes, but necessary...

 

Clearly you have found an escort that you really relate to and relates back -- and having a place to share that connection in the hopes that others might find it as well seems a great thing for those looking for it --

 

:-)

 

Bear That is the hope to tell others that escorting can be more if thats what they want

 

Tomcat

 

As we grow older, not old, we sometimes like to escape back to the time when we were younger. We could have the best of what was ever available. Whether at the gym, bar or walking down the street. It is still nice to have that strong, toned body next to you even if it is for just the night.

.

 

For me its not flashback, Its discovery. learning my ability to care and have an emotional bond with a man, but I do see that experience

 

I have culled the most relevant parts to which I personally can best relate. The only difference in my experience is that instead of a comparison to a comet... my experience is better described as meteoric... in that the special person lasted all too briefly in my life... yet I have been changed forever... and yes, I certainly treasure the moments... and all the more so because we most likely will never ever meet again...

 

It almost makes me somewhat sad, but then again that's because it was so good while it lasted... and I was indeed transformed in the process...

 

It is those things that give us the most joy, that create the most sadness. But would life be better played safe never to feel the pain of the loss of such happiness. I don't think so. Its why we risk blurred lines (but cautiously)

 

And with THAT epic opening, let the Wham-Charm wars begin anew!

 

Just kidding, I think it's sweet that Romann has obviously touch you

deeply Tomcat.

 

And when we're being honest, we whammers and you charmers have

more in common with each other than either camp would like to admit.

 

But lord, do you charmers ALWAYS have to be so WORDY?...grin.

 

P.S. When it all crashes and burns, if you start posting the lyrics to

"What I did for Love"...I'm gonna shoot you!

 

LMAO NYC you are too great. I loved that who says your not a charmer. LOL

What I did for Love, no way. Im more the Kander and Ebb type, and since im NY im more hopeful and Cabaret, perhaps "Maybe This Time"

 

Romann just better hope Im not feeling Chicago "Cell Block Tango" anyone?

 

My post 11/23/2009 read, in part:

 

We all realize that escorting is a contractual relationship, but some of us have been fortunate to connect with these young men as friends in addition to the nature of the services provided. Most of these guys are very special young men, and I, for one, feel fortunate to have spent time with them and to call them friends. [ Friendship knows no age boundaries. ]

 

These young men share the most intimate details and physical nature of themselves. I believe we need to appreciate them and treat them well; they provide companionship beyond what most of us could expect. I, for one, am grateful for them.

 

----------- And I still feel that way today! --------------

 

Thank you Lobo, Thats what I mean.

 

I can verify that Oliver is the true "beyond-sex" experience :-)

 

Im telling you Oliver, you are my guru. As always thanks for the moral support;)

 

Well as with all good things, they must come to an end. Im just glad I still have the forum here to spend my evenings with you fine people.

[Guest greatness]

oh my

 

I'm sorry if you were offended by my post. I didn't mean it in a negative way at all. No hard feelings? I couldn't understand your post but I think you clarified it so thanks. No claws at all..

[gp0560]

 

The Deli is to discuss escorts and I think it’s about time we have a recent thread dedicated to the ones we have found are the very best at providing that intimate, romantic, sensual, experience. So I ask those of you who look for or even just have had this kind of experience, to take a moment here, not just to comment on my ramblings, but if you deem appropriate to say thanks, give a plug and let others know the great experience beyond sex you had with a particular escort. We spend enough time evaluating their bodies, sometimes to the point that even when we are being complimentary we so objectify them that the positive comments ring hollow as all they hear is he’s just a pretty face, ass, cock, etc… Its time we say congrats and thanks for those great Romancers, who so enhance our lives.

 

I'd like to take NYTomcat up on this suggestion, which he made in his very first post. My own great experiences have all been with Sean Knight. I've already tried to tell him in my own way what intense physical pleasure and emotional richness he has brought into my life. The richness deepens and intensifies every time we meet. I hope Sean will forgive me if I can't verbalize it here in more eloquent words.

[NYTomcat]

I'd like to take NYTomcat up on this suggestion, which he made in his very first post. My own great experiences have all been with Sean Knight. I've already tried to tell him in my own way what intense physical pleasure and emotional richness he has brought into my life. The richness deepens and intensifies every time we meet. I hope Sean will forgive me if I can't verbalize it here in more eloquent words.

 

You just did... and very eloquently I might add. Straight from the heart. Just says to me Mr Knight must be a very special guy.

 

 

and NO Greatness, I like a good debate, speak your mind. No problems between you and I.

[Guest blk6117]

JJ Forte takes romance to a new level

 

I've raved about JJ's physical perfection and level of hotness on another post. But NYTomcat brings up an important factor that can make a great experience incredible. And that's the personal connection/romance factor that you rarely find with escorts. I'm 60 years old and have seen, well, um, more than a few escorts over the years but NO ONE--not one was the dreamboat that is JJ Forte. I know this sounds stupid given the fact he looks like a Greek God, but he's worth every cent even without his phenomenal good looks. He's funny, kind, interested, smart, affectionate and makes you hope the night won't end. If you want some magic, email him and see for yourself.

 

jjfortexxx@gmail.com.

 

Yes, he's expensive but like they say in those commercials, some things are priceless (and he's one of them).

[Guest greatness]

Oh my!

 

Tom I'm sorry, I didn't know that my post was harsh. Anyways, so I've deleted my post. I should have worded it differently. I need my prince who would read my posts and whishper his thoughts in my ears before I submit them. Where is he???

[NYTomcat]

Tom I'm sorry, I didn't know that my post was harsh. Anyways, so I've deleted my post. I should have worded it differently. I need my prince who would read my posts and whishper his thoughts in my ears before I submit them. Where is he???

 

I don't know but when you find him see if he has a brother, cousin, even a young uncle cause hey im not that picky LOL

[Guest greatness]

oh my

 

Are we going to be in-laws? .. That's exciting... Now where are my prince and his hot brothers hiding from my all seeing eyes.. lol

[whipped guy]

Way beyond sex...

 

...we are obsessed with the physical... And all the while we rarely discuss the sex organ that every sex therapist says is 90 % of the sexual experience… their mind.”

 

I'd like to take NYTomcat up on this suggestion, which he made in his very first post. My own great experiences have all been with Sean Knight. I've already tried to tell him in my own way what intense physical pleasure and emotional richness he has brought into my life. The richness deepens and intensifies every time we meet. I hope Sean will forgive me if I can't verbalize it here in more eloquent words.

You just did... and very eloquently I might add. Straight from the heart. Just says to me Mr Knight must be a very special guy.

 

Gp0560… I have had some great experiences along the way… but of the active escorts Sean Knight certainly stands head (the man has a brain) and shoulders (and his shoulders are indeed quite broad) above the rest.

 

Perhaps I will try to verbalize it, but it won’t be easy as it is so enriching when it is possible to relate to an individual on several levels. First, there is a certain sense of delight that the guy exudes, which draws one into his world of enjoyment. In addition, while he certainly gives the impression of being a super hero, it is also heartening to know that he has the exact same hopes, dreams, fears, foibles, and aspirations as any other mere mortal… Yes… Sean is one of the gods who has come down from his perch on high to mingle with us mere mortals… However, unlike the flawed gods from Valhalla… and my Wagnerian analogy is certainly intentional… the larger than life Sean certainly can provide a leitmotiv to be emulated, developed, and repeated by the rest of those “working it” out there…

 

Actually, you are correct, it is impossible to verbalize what makes Sean (and I am sure a number of others) so special… so all you musicians out there think of the end of Wagner’s Ring Cycle where a fragment of the bold and brazen Siegfried motive appears which then evolves into that final glorious redemption theme which brings the work to a close… That is Sean. That passage always makes me shiver with ectstacy... and again that is Sean... and as I said, I am sure it describes a number of other quite special individuals out there as well...

 

Tomcat... thank you for starting this thread.

[AdamSmith]

Its been the warning of the members of this forum that have allowed me to so carefully chart that I was not going "over" the limit. a must in the BFE hire

 

I had meant to post: With you 1000%. In fact, beyond. With the right partner (rarest thing of all) and some stability & self-awareness on one's own part (second-rarest), nothing more rewarding on earth than testing every single boundary. Maybe even transgressing some.

[NYTomcat]

I had meant to post: With you 1000%. In fact, beyond. With the right partner (rarest thing of all) and some stability & self-awareness on one's own part (second-rarest), nothing more rewarding on earth than testing every single boundary. Maybe even transgressing some.

 

 

Its certainly my experience as limited as it is. Not to push a point. But I find it much easier to push my own comfort zones with a friend. If there has been a great experience for me in hiring it has been my finding of someone to explore my own sexuality. With who truly enjoys being along for the ride. I have no preconceived notions of romance or romannce as thecase might be. Rather I have found what I feel is more rare. An. Accepting nonjudgemental friend. Who actually cares about my well being long after the hiring is over. So will I continue to hire... for now hell yes.. but I'm certain even after I stop hiring I have found a friend. A truly rare commodity

 

Someday ill have a best man at my gay marriage in NY. Given politics I'm not booking that one yet Romann. But keep the availability.