Why charge so much for overnighters?

[Guest Merlin]

As a matter of business, most escorts charge too much for overnighters, it seems to me. Look at it this way. For a one hour meeting, the escort must, we hope, prepare himself, shower, shave, clean clothes, and either travel or clean up the apartment. And it must be difficult to sqeeze 2 or three meetings into a day. But for an overnighter, he has that preparation only once. Suppose he charges $200 for out calls, and gets three into a night. Thats three showers and clean ups and three times traveling back and fourth. Total $600. How often can he do 3 in a day?

But supposed he gets a call for overnight, two or three times sex, I suppose. He cleans up once (more while he is there), clean clothes once, travels to and back once, with much less preparation than 3 encounters.

Logically, as a matter of business, he should charge less or certainly not more for the overnight than for three encounters. Say $500. Call it a volumn discount.

But most escorts seem to charge $1000 or $1500 for an overnight. Why? Of course if they get all the ovenights they want at that price, it is just a matter of charging what the market will bear. But if they are looking to increase business or get as much income for time spent as possible, then they should charge less. There is little doubt they would get more overnighters.

No, I am not just being cheap. As a client I don't care much for overnighters, myself.

[Luv2play]

I agree with you. I only had an overnighter once years ago and decided it was not worth it. I have noticed on sites like Rentboy and others that European escorts when in Europe tend to charge proportionately less for overnighters when compared to their hourly rates. I often see an overnight charge that represents about or somewhat less than the rate for 3 hours.

 

This seems fair to me as most of the 8 hours is spent sleeping, along with the other reasons you give such as saving on preparation times. I think though that clients who pay the steeper rates for an overnighter are looking for the bfe with an escort and sleeping with him and sharing a shower in the morning gives that in a way.

 

Of course, there are those exceptions where the client expects to be serviced all night long and in the morning as well. But these are the exceptions, from the reviews of such encounters that I have read.

[AdamSmith]

most of the 8 hours is spent sleeping, along with the other reasons you give such as saving on preparation times. I think though that clients who pay the steeper rates for an overnighter are looking for the bfe with an escort and sleeping with him and sharing a shower in the morning gives that in a way.

 

Yes, bfe is the point.

 

But, must say, 8 hours is a pretty short overnight. I love overnights, but with guys who are more generous with their time than that. Typical flow: Meet in early evening. Fool around. Out to dinner. Come back & fool around intensely. Maybe then go out on the town (depending on the town!). Come back & fool around again to whatever extent the equipment will support. Sleep. Wake up. Accommodate morning wood. Out to breakfast/brunch. Au revoir.

 

Not to say no sleep time; rather, start early enough for date-length playtime before.

 

That's worth a grand to me.

[+ Charlie]

I would never pay someone to sleep with me--I mean, literally sleep, of course. I realize that some clients like to cuddle through the night, and wake up in the arms of a gorgeous hunk, so for them the extra money for an overnight is worth the cost. However, I don't like to actually sleep with anyone at all, so I would consider it a waste of money. To answer Merlin's question, even though there is less preparation involved, I suspect that most escorts prefer to sleep alone or with a significant other, so they expect to be paid a good deal more to stick around after the main act, especially if they suspect that they will be awakened in the middle of the night or first thing in the morning, when they are not in the mood for more sexual activity. They may also feel that meeting with another client the next day will be problematic if they have not had a restful night.

[EXPAT]

I really don't like to do overnighters anymore. I'd rather spend the day with someone instead. About two years ago, I had an overnight with a well-reviewed escort who snored horribly and I got not sleep what so ever. I just think it is not worth it any more (in my view) unless you are going on a trip or something.

 

But I see ShaunRoss now for daytime visits and I love those. I think that is much better.

[AdamSmith]

even though there is less preparation involved, I suspect that most escorts prefer to sleep alone

 

Good point. Like some clients, some escorts here have made a point they do not, or no longer, like overnights at all -- of course to be respected. Others seem neutral. I know a few who say they prefer an overnight over trying to make equivalent money by stringing together multiple daytime appointments.

 

or with a significant other

 

Then there is the delightful exception-case where the escort brings along his S/O! Long live boundary violations.

[KMEM]

AS-

 

You are just too wild.

 

As in every other aspect of everyone's life, there are accommodations to be made that COULD suit anyone and everyone, just make sure they do for you.

 

I prefer a longer visit with an escort. However, we ordinarily sleep in separate bedrooms. That is my choice. I snore. I prefer to be alone to sleep. However, come the morning, we re-unite.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[gp0560]

Is the overnighter a good deal?

 

As a matter of business, most escorts charge too much for overnighters, it seems to me. ...

Logically, as a matter of business, he should charge less or certainly not more for the overnight than for three encounters. Say $500. Call it a volume discount.

But most escorts seem to charge $1000 or $1500 for an overnight. Why? Of course if they get all the ovenights they want at that price, it is just a matter of charging what the market will bear. But if they are looking to increase business or get as much income for time spent as possible, then they should charge less. There is little doubt they would get more overnighters.

 

Hey Merlin2,

 

Doesn't it seem to you that this thread has veered away from your original point about the price for overnights? Here's my take on the cost. It differs from yours, sure, but let's give it a look.

 

The escort's fee is based on the time he spends with you, right? (At least, that's what the ads say, and they can't all be wrong. LOL ) If an escort charges $200 an hour for his time, then he'll earn $2400 for 12 one-hour appointments.

 

Now let's say that an overnight is an appointment for 12 hours. (I'm only picking 12 because it's convenient for doing the math.) If he charges only $1200 for a 12-hour overnight, then he's giving a 50% discount from his hourly rate.

 

What about sleep time? Strictly speaking, shouldn't the client pay for the total time spent with the escort and therefore for sleep time? Is it or relevant or not that the escort is spending six to eight hours with the client while they're both just sleeping?

 

I realize that in the end the market makes the rules, but I just wanted to provide another way of looking at your point.

 

I leave it as an exercise for the student to define a "weekend" and to determine a fair rate for it.

[mickeym]

OK, the accountant in me has to chime in. If you assume 12 hours is the "standard" overnight and you spend 6-7 hours sleeping then you still have 5-6 hours of playtime. If the escorts rate is $200 per hour and he charges $1000-$12000 for an overnight, you're getting your money's worth b/c 5-6 hours w/o the overnight would be $1000-$1200. Of course the break-even point changes depending on the escort's rates, how much time an overnight includes, and if the escort has any multi-hour discounts.

 

From the escort's perspective, there still might be only one appointment that they have to prep for, but don't forget about the hours they spend in the gym, tanning, maintaining their appearance, etc. on a daily basis that isn't just for the one appointment.

[Guest Merlin]

I am assuming that most escorts do not get many requests for overnighters. If so they can and, as a matter of business, should reduce their overnight charges. They would increase their income, and they would not giving up much by not charging for the sleep time or even the meal time.

Some may do all the overnights they want and, if so, it is logical to charge what the market will bear.

[Kevin Slater]

I am assuming that most escorts do not get many requests for overnighters. If so they can and, as a matter of business, should reduce their overnight charges. They would increase their income, and they would not giving up much by not charging for the sleep time or even the meal time.

Some may do all the overnights they want and, if so, it is logical to charge what the market will bear.

 

I'm confused by your posts. First you profess limited knowledge of the subject and then go on to lecture those who are presumably subject matter experts about how they're going about it incorrectly. Perhaps, just perhaps, the guys actually performing the service actually know a thing or two about what they're doing and are clever enough to set their rates accordingly?

 

Kevin Slater

[NYTomcat]

As a client who likes the o.n. let me chime in. For some of us which seek the bfe experience the need goes beyond the how many times are you "getting off" analysis. The point of the o.n. is to allow time to get to know the Guy your with. For me the experience is heightened by being far more sexually aroused.

 

What I am thus paying for is fourplay as it were. The escorts time at dinner, the evening out, the slight touches and suggestive smiles. Those things make the hour or two of actual play worth it.

 

I have come to agree that a day visit would also work. But ultimately if boiled down to a cost analysis the weekend is the best scenario for someone like me. 48 hours with a few breaks for the fellow to keep up with his life. But giving me plenty of time to stare and get lost in those cerulean blue eyes.

 

Whoops went off on a little tangent there. Only 10 more days and worth every fucking nickle. But the reality is I don't hire just to get off. That can be accomplished easily. I hire for the experience of sharing time with someone special who puts my desires and needs first. It's a rarity in life that I am happy to pay for. I guess I am, or we o.n. hirers are, the rarity who actually pay for time as advertised. Not just by the pop...to put it crudely

 

That said I certainly understand why others would feel its not cost effective. And would agree on a per act basis its not. But I hire for much more... PS very thought provoking question though Merlin. Hadn't really considered it much. Thanks for the thought provoking thread.

 

I had to edit just to add after posting this I realized Merlin you were also the one who asked what the BFE is in your last thread. So you need to tie the two together. Its us BFE hirers who are the O.N. hirers. I can't speak for the escorts some may be happy with just multiple partner short visits. I believe us long time BFE hirers are the ultimate clients and the escorts we hire the ultimate escorts. Just getting hard isn't enough to satisfy us. We are demanding, we require you to converse, seduce, flirt, date, romance. We are a tough crowd who pay well and take large blocks of time and often are multiple repeat customers. But the escorts who excel at this are worth their weight in gold. IMHO

[Rod Hagen]

Overnights are for fucking all night/morning.

 

You sleep when you're dead.

[NYTomcat]

Overnights are for fucking all night/morning.

 

You sleep when you're dead.

 

Now there's another view... and not a bad one I might add.

[AdamSmith]

I am assuming that most escorts do not get many requests for overnighters.

 

Do you have any basis for this assumption?

 

It does not agree with my field observations.

[AdamSmith]

overnights are for fucking all night/morning.

 

You sleep when you're dead.

 

Thank you!!!

[Guest KevinMead]

As an Escort

 

There are lots of reason's why a escort will charge what they do for a over night. I see by reading that, most of you understand the logistics behind our BUSINESS. A over night does not mean we have to sleep, a over night is a over night to put it simply. Wheither the client chooses to sleep or not, the client (you) are donating for the escorts time. As for me, I like over night's; it gives me time to really get to know my client(if we haven't already). It allow's me to unwine, relax and take more personal time with that client.

 

Let me put it this way for some of you; The concept behind being a escort is (in my terms) a servent; such a butler; I am their to provide a service to my clients within reason. HOWEVER,,,,,,,,,THE complexities of my position are so vast that only another REAL AND EXPERIENCE escort would understand. There are so many vast concepts to being a escort that it would boggle the mind. IT'S JUST NOT ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH A CLIENT (that is the end result, but) we must get into your mind, we must understand your fantasies, we must pay very close attention to every word that comes out of your mouth. We as escorts, can serious damage or harm a client due to any psychological aspect that the client has( Why is the client REALLY HAVING ME COME OVER) if we do not pay close attention to his needs. -----------------OK, if your lost at this point, welcome to our world. We as professional escorts have so much to undertake, protect and manage; I love what I do, I have met so many fascinating people.

[doitb4ugo]

Thanks for your perspective

 

Thanks Kevin, sharing this topic from your point-of-view was helpful in understanding an escorts thoughts on their relationship with a client. Being new here, I seem to think more from my own perspective...yours gave me something to think about....It seems to reinforce my thoughts that sex is a very small part of the whole experience.

[NYTomcat]

Thanks Kevin, sharing this topic from your point-of-view was helpful in understanding an escorts thoughts on their relationship with a client. Being new here, I seem to think more from my own perspective...yours gave me something to think about....It seems to reinforce my thoughts that sex is a very small part of the whole experience.

 

 

You have the same understanding and misconception that I did. The answer is it depends upon the client and the escort. As noted above for some it is all about the sex100% note the comment overnights are about fucking all night/morning. The question is unique to each. Our commonality is we hire. What we hire for differs widely. However I can say what makes a professional escort stand apart is there ability to read the client. Understand what they want sometimes even when the client doesn't say or even know and of course its all in the delivery.

[doitb4ugo]

Sex, Sex, more Sex

 

You have the same understanding and misconception that I did. The answer is it depends upon the client and the escort. As noted above for some it is all about the sex100% note the comment overnights are about fucking all night/morning. The question is unique to each. Our commonality is we hire. What we hire for differs widely. However I can say what makes a professional escort stand apart is there ability to read the client. Understand what they want sometimes even when the client doesn't say or even know and of course its all in the delivery.

 

I'm guessing that the longer the session is between an escort and a client (i.e., overnight, etc), the less it is about sex 100%. If that is not true, I'm a very jealous guy because, as much as I would like to perform for 12 hours, I unfortunately am no longer up to it (LOL).

[AdamSmith]

I'm guessing that the longer the session is between an escort and a client (i.e., overnight, etc), the less it is about sex 100%.

 

It may go either way.

[whipped guy]

...what makes a professional escort stand apart is there ability to read the client. Understand what they want sometimes even when the client doesn't say or even know...

 

Yes! Exactly!

 

I have always said that the best escorts know what you want and more importantly what you need even before you do!

 

It is a talent that only the cream of the crop posses, but it certainly can open that Pandora-like box of hidden fantasies and that includes repressed fantasies hidden deep in one's psyche that have been somehow demoted to the unconscious.

 

I was fortunate to hoop up such with an individual...

[Bart]

Overnights are for fucking all night/morning.

 

You sleep when you're dead.

 

Rod as always you are the man! My experiences just really do not reflect that, except once 4 years ago. Just another reason I have to find someway in my life to meet you for at least full day.

 

Mr Merlin although you have the option of asking your question, but the simplest answer is because they want to and the market allows them too. I believe each gentleman has their own approach to an overnight. As much as I have heard several people state, not paying for sleep time is not always fair way either. Some of us dont sleep as well when someone else is in the bed, the environment, hot, cold, light no light annoying touches snoring. All sorts of issues could prevent the gentleman from being able to get a quality night sleep to the pleasure of the client.

 

I have probably had at least 25 overnight-weekend experiences. They vary as the skies above. The rates have varied wildly and have done several 3 ways in this fashion. I have never slept with a gentleman but usually most prefer 8 hours of untouched sleep when being with a client for a couple of days as mine usually are. Many take into consideration that they actually have about 11 hours to themselves, work out stay caught up on correspondance and so forth. I like NYCTomcat like to enjoy and spend time with the men I meet. It is always a balancing act between the sex and the just enjoy time. Some do excellent and I have my fill of fun, others tend to stretch the down time out which does become problematic.

 

As always all lies within the communication you have with the gentleman and your expectations. You as the client for an overnight need to put a sales pitch together too, such as allowing escort to sleep in his own bed might have some bearing or doing a mid-week outing rather than a weekend, or other things.

 

Now if Rod were available there would no need for all this I would be all set.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Agreed but. . .

 

Overnights are for fucking all night/morning.

 

You sleep when you're dead.

 

I agree - but I do like an occassional beverage break to rehydrate and enjoy the tingle. . .

[Dave]

NYTomcat, i'm with you... "it depends upon the client and the escort."

also - you cracked me up with the tangent you went on there...

 

in addition to BFE overnights, and extended-fucking overnights, i've had some other really great ones. let me tell you about this guy, i'll call him "Brock."

 

Brock likes to hire me only for overnights. he has a mattress on the floor, and of course he shares it with me. well, he doesnt exactly share his bed with me... he sleeps at the foot of the mattress - on the floor - perpendicular to it.

 

the foot of the mattress? that's not what it's really about. more like the foot of me. see, Brock likes me to wear combat boots to bed. i am to be completely naked, but with my boots on. yet the boots are not to be on the bed. have i confused you yet?

 

picture me, naked, on the bed - in combat boots. picture my feet, hanging off the mattress. picture Brock, perpendicular to the bed, but right up alongside it. picture my boot-clad feet on Brock's chest, while i sleep. but wait! when i roll over, i wake up- those boots feel foreign to me in the middle of the night. i glance down at Brock, and my boots are no longer on his chest. they might be on his cock, or his stomach, or his face - perhaps his mouth is open. these positions vary through the night. and each time, Brock is wide awake, looking at my boots, and sometimes at me.

 

i get about 4 or 5 hours of sleep those nights. as i said, it's broken up, by being woken up, by my boots.

 

i charge $1200 for an overnight of 12 hours. i like seeing Brock, although i don't completely understand him - and that's ok. i am tired the next day, but i am happy. and it's not only because of the money i earned.