From A Clients Perspective

[Guest RyanCade]

I had a client cancel our trip to Florida because he felt he would bore me. Originally the client said he desired to spend time with me , as I had made an impression on him and I guess after he read my story "Early Morning Encounter With Law Enforcement" he felt different.. I removed the Story from my page this morning. Most of the comments I did receive with regard to the story were positive, though there weren't many. My question is this, How do you as a client feel about an escort sharing such information? How does it affect the escorts image in your eyes? Does having knowledge of an escorts personal life and personal preferences take away from your fantasy or enhance it? Please share your thoughts. No offense will be taken, I desire your honest opinions. For those of you who didn't read the story, it was about a sexual encounter that included graphic details, and could not be considered "vanilla" I may or may not re-post it, depending on the outcome of this post :confused:I look forward to your responses

[Tommygunzz]

Guys who pay for the escort experience don't want to hear about the random guy from a dark hallway who is getting that same experience for free.

[JT Brooklyn]

Off The Books Time

 

As Daddys is used Primarily to get the word out on the "Services" of some Working Guys, by them...I tend to agree that "Off The Books" Experiences though very Hot to read. I personally enjoyed it, But it probably will not get the Majority of the "Paying Crowd" to line up.

 

But then again some guys look for a "reason" to Cancel, Big or Small which might be the case here

 

IMHO as usual.

[Alan]

I loved the post. Very stimulating and fun to read. I wouldn't have taken it down. I agree that it may very well not have been the key reason for your client's cancel.

[KMEM]

As an escort you are selling the sizzle, not the steak. Therefore there are a lot of ways to get sideways in a deal. Emotionally, some clients would prefer escorts not to have a personal life; no BF, no wide contact with "others", etc.; apparently, they would like for you to just hang upside down in a closet until they need you. However, if they are paying for a fair amount of your time, they may indeed be entitled to your personal attention to them during that interval and if that includes the fantasy of companionship, the BF experience, the pizza boy experience or whatever, with any luck and planning, you both can have fun with this.

 

However, if, and especially when apart, they don't intellectually realize you are a "real" person with a real life and real personal friends, perhaps an SO or BF, then they are walking on a line that isn't very far from them needing "help". But, there is little or no need for you to "hit them over the head" with these facts. They should come to the proper realization without the benefit of you pointing these things out or so I would hope for the betterment of all involved.

 

If you are going to be a "superior" escort and offer a superior experience very likely you will be catering to a short term emotional (and physical) betterment of your client. Think of this: if you are a Methodist preacher who likes to go to one baseball game a year and have one beer while doing so, should you put that at the top of your resume? Probably not.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[josephga]

I don't think it was that big of a deal. some people just look for an excuse to cancel. I didn't read the story. but as a outsider looking in I would expect you to have a person life outside of the escorting. I think some can't separate the person from the job. A escort isn't who you are its the job you do.

[Guest TBinCHI]

It's a fine line......

 

Let's face it, all the clients on here know that we have to pay for experiences that others get for free. After all, we would be kidding ourselves if we didn't acknowledge that escorts have personal lives and personal preferences. I thought that your story was hot and didn't cross the line. You never indicated that you would not replicate the scenario with a client, nor did you give any indication that you were any less attracted to your clients because of this hot encounter. As a contrast, awhile back, an escort (and I will not name him) on one of the threads was talking about when he is on his own time in bars and out in public, he hates it when guys in their 40s hit on him. I thought that was an incredibly naive thing to say here, as most of us are in our 40s and older. The message that he sent was that the only way he would have anything to do with a 40+ guy is if they pay for it. You did not come anywhere near that kind of a faux pas, so I would chalk up the cancellation to someone who wanted to cancel anyhow. Frankly, if we ever have a session, I will be borrowing my cop friend's equipment!

[+ ArVaGuy]

Personally, I found the story to be very uh..stimulating and such would not affect my hiring decisions or lead to a cancellation. Perhaps the client had other circumstances that may have had bearing on the trip and was looking for an excuse to cancel.

[fosterchow]

I thought your story was very exciting and I was sorry when you took it down. I hope you put it back up soon. As for the client who canceled because he thought he would bore you, well, as several other correspondents on this thread have pointed out, maybe it was more of an excuse than a reason.

dan

[Alan]

I agree with most of the previous comments. Escorts actually are real people with real lives and if a client thinks that the escort only has sex when paid for it, he's living a fantasy. Get over it! I like escorts who have had all kinds of wild and crazy experiences. It makes their work and service more interesting and can add to their bag of tricks. I love it that my choices have had sex with lots of other guys--experience improves the performance! The posted story is a good and hot example of such an experience.

[seeker630]

Clients come in many sizes & flavors

 

I had a client cancel our trip to Florida because he felt he would bore me. Originally the client said he desired to spend time with me , as I had made an impression on him and I guess after he read my story "Early Morning Encounter With Law Enforcement" he felt different.. I

As the other responses show, your recounted encounter may have stimulated the interest of some but initimidated others (or compromised their fantasy of exclusivity.)

 

It's not clear to me, from your post here, that the client actually referenced your graphic report when he canceled or if you're speculating that *might have been the cause?

[+ Lucky]

Masters of Marketing

 

One thing that is evident to me from years of posting here is that many escorts are masters of marketing. They would seem to have a bright future after their escorting career fades. Ryan is good at it, witness how he has prolonged this bathhouse story for two threads now. (Of course, he has a good website with enticing pix too.)

 

I mean this as a compliment! The story itself was quite interesting, and drew much favorable response. Just about the time that it was fading, Ryan came up with a new angle to bring attention to him and to his story. We all wonder why a client would cancel on him just because of this story, and, I find myself rooting for him to put the story back up, client be damned. It's a very interesting angle. The whole cop fantasy was a good one.

 

So kudos to Ryan. Maybe he can join Daddy's team as a marketing manager to fill the coffers again! I find myself looking forward to his next step.

[josephga]

I didn't get to see this story

[Guest RyanCade]

As the other responses show, your recounted encounter may have stimulated the interest of some but initimidated others (or compromised their fantasy of exclusivity.)

 

It's not clear to me, from your post here, that the client actually referenced your graphic report when he canceled or if you're speculating that *might have been the cause?

 

You bring a valid point to the table seeker630, he did not specifically reference the story, but he did not show any signs of being on the fence prior and seemed to have thoroughly investigated my previous postings as well as my reviews on MER as well as Daddy's which he did specifically reference, also stating that my posts and review response had made impression on him and he really looked forward to spending time with me. after the story he was very short and somewhat bitter when he abruptly ordered me to remove him from my calendar and not to contact him. I disobeyed the latter and responded to his email, inquiring as to the reason for his bitter cancellation, and what I did to offend so I could make sure I didn't offend anyone else in the same manner. He did respond stating he probably handled it wrong and apologized for that , but said . "I just don't think we'd click. You'd be miserable - I'm pretty tame and boring."

So to me it's pretty clear the story made a bigger impression than my posts and reviews. Hmmm mighty insightful of you to know or GUESS that the cancellation did not specifically reference the story.

[whipped guy]

...he did not show any signs of being on the fence prior... also stating that my posts and review response had made impression on him and he really looked forward to spending time with me. after the story he was very short and somewhat bitter when he abruptly ordered me to remove him from my calendar and not to contact him....He did respond stating he probably handled it wrong and apologized for that...

 

After thirty-some-odd years in business… not the “oldest business”, but a business that works on an appointment basis… I have learned several things. To begin, it is impossible to please 100 percent of the people 100 percent of the time. Also, people can be very fickle… what they want on a Monday is not necessarily what they decide that they need on a Tuesday. Furthermore, people have used the most “ingenious”, “creative”, and “inspired” excuses when they decide that they want to cancel. Of course some excuses can be pretty lame as well… but I think that you get my point that they can run the full gamut from the ridiculous to the sublime. Actually sometimes it merely depends on the weather… too sunny… too rainy… Also, they can use various “techniques” from sounding bitter to being quite coy and demure about the whole matter. Actually, for all you know the guy had a hangnail that was bothering him and that got him into a different frame of mind.

 

As for knowing “the rest of your story”… I always like to know a bit more about an escort as I like to think that an escort is human and has the same desires, fears, and needs as the rest of us… As for your “specific posted story”… perhaps it intimidated him… perhaps not.

 

Bottom line: I would not loose any sleep over it… If he was having second thoughts… and for what ever reason… it probably is all for the best.

 

Also, I agree with Lucky… you seem to be a “master at marketing”… just remember that at times it is best to undersell just a bit… and that was a theory devised by an escort who worked in marketing for many years… and undersell he did... and all the way to a successful retirement.

[jackcali]

Focus on what he said

 

Ryan, I think you have to focus on his excuse, which you describe as he said he would bore you. That's a very unusual excuse to use (as opposed to "something came up") if it didn't have some truth to it.

 

I'm guessing that you've never met this client before and that you don't know his history or his interests. It could be that he's inexperienced (either with sex with men or with sex with anybody) or insecure or maybe just prefers a less intense session with an escort. Your story (which was very hot, by the way) certainly described an intense sexual experience that you really enjoyed, and that might have frightened the guy because what he's interested in would be boring by comparison.

 

I should say that maybe I'm projecting a bit. I am a very vanilla guy and shy away from escorts whose marketing or personality (as evidenced on this forum) is on the "wilder" side for the same reason -- I'm looking for something "milder" and don't think that I'm a good match with a wilder type.

 

I don't think this cancellation has anything to do with the fact that he suddenly realized that you have a personal life. Every client knows that escorts have personal lives, and in fact most of us would avoid an escort who had no life outside of escorting.

[rvwnsd]

Although my "spidey sense" tells me that this client canceled for another reason, your question regarding the story raises a good point. Judging from some reviews on this site and others, some clients feel that adding a financial transaction to the equation eliminates any feelings, preferences, or limits that an escort might have. A good example of this is a long-ago review where a client flew an LA-based escort to his home in Vermont. There was a luggage snafu (not to mention an all-day flight that probably included not one but two plane changes) and the client seemed miffed that the escort wanted to sleep when he arrived. The story goes downhill from there.

 

I find escorts' blog posts useful because they provide insight as to whether we are a match. In your case, reading that story tells me that you might be OK with a bathhouse, which is good to know if neither of us could host. It looks like you had some hot full-body oral sex, which is also good to know given that I enjoy that. The story does not imply that you only have sex with hot cops. If I wanted to hire you, I would still send you an e-mail describing what I like to do so we could determine whether we would have a fun time. Of course, not everyone thinks like this. You will turn them off (maybe even piss them off...hey, do you get into watersports? ) and that's OK. They are probably not a good match and might wind up writing an unflattering review.

[+ Lucky]

When Ryan first posted the story, I told him that the line about guarding the door to keep the undesirables away might be a turn off to potential clients. There is nothing wrong with an escort wanting to find someone he is sexually attracted to when he goes to the baths. That's a given. But to come out and say he found "undesirables" who needed to be kept out probably struck a chord with all of us who have been rejected at the baths by someone we had hopes of seeing.

 

Not only that, clients don't like to hear that an escort finds anyone undesirable. The best escorts are those who say, however truthfully, that they can find something attractive about anybody. Since none of us knows why the client canceled on Ryan, it's just as likely that he was worried that Ryan would find him undesirable as anything else. "Boring" could equal "undesirable" in this case. That's assuming the canceled client read the blog...

To his credit, Ryan excised the line about the undesirables, but maybe not in time.

[whipped guy]

Ryan, yes as jacali said above focus on what he said, but I personally would not overly question or scrutinize what transpired... I used to let such things bother me… and bother me way too much and for way too long. I would try to analyze what I might have done wrong to offend the person… and very often I had done nothing overtly improper. At other times, it was obvious that the other party was acting irrationally. So think of what transpired… you indeed may have inadvertently done something that you should not have done… and people can at times be touchy. Plus, I think Lucky might have found the key to the problem, though that did not cross my mind when I read the blog as I was not reading it from a client’s perspective, but simply for entertainment value. At any rate, we all learn from our missteps, but baring anything else blatant on your part I would just chalk it up to experience.

 

Now for case of argument (and forgetting the mentioning of undesirables) let’s say that your blog posting intimidated or offended this individual… Well, for every person that it might have frightened… there might be one that it might have excited. With practice you will achieve the proper balance in your marketing for the type of client that you would prefer to attract… I say “prefer to attract” as it would be a perfect world indeed if every client were to be the absolutely ideal counterpart. As jacali’s posting indicated clients are all different and are looking for different things… An escort may or may not want or be capable of being “full service” in the sense that he can competently deliver a wide range of services from fat-free vanilla to over-the-top kink. In the final breakdown, as I said above people can be fickle or perhaps he really did not know what he really wanted.

 

For the record, I canceled my first hookup with an escort because I got cold feet and didn’t think I would be able to handle the ride. Now in retrospect I certainly hope he didn’t loose any sleep over it. At any rate, I thought things through… eventually rescheduled the appointment…and we turned out to be a match made in heaven. The rest as they say is history. Perhaps the full history of this client has yet to be written.

[Rick Munroe]

Frankly, if we ever have a session, I will be borrowing my cop friend's equipment!

 

Why? Your own equipment's pretty substantial.

[Guest greatness]

well

 

You are doing a business so I think it would be wise to keep your personal life to yourself. People might misunderstand your action. It is,however, good to be yourself and honest. You can't satisfy everyone so try not to be too hard on yourself or blame yourself for things that you can't control.

 

 

 

I had a client cancel our trip to Florida because he felt he would bore me. Originally the client said he desired to spend time with me , as I had made an impression on him and I guess after he read my story "Early Morning Encounter With Law Enforcement" he felt different.. I removed the Story from my page this morning. Most of the comments I did receive with regard to the story were positive, though there weren't many. My question is this, How do you as a client feel about an escort sharing such information? How does it affect the escorts image in your eyes? Does having knowledge of an escorts personal life and personal preferences take away from your fantasy or enhance it? Please share your thoughts. No offense will be taken, I desire your honest opinions. For those of you who didn't read the story, it was about a sexual encounter that included graphic details, and could not be considered "vanilla" I may or may not re-post it, depending on the outcome of this post :confused:I look forward to your responses

[Guest RyanCade]

When Ryan first posted the story, I told him that the line about guarding the door to keep the undesirables away might be a turn off to potential clients. There is nothing wrong with an escort wanting to find someone he is sexually attracted to when he goes to the baths. That's a given. But to come out and say he found "undesirables" who needed to be kept out probably struck a chord with all of us who have been rejected at the baths by someone we had hopes of seeing.

 

Not only that, clients don't like to hear that an escort finds anyone undesirable. The best escorts are those who say, however truthfully, that they can find something attractive about anybody. Since none of us knows why the client canceled on Ryan, it's just as likely that he was worried that Ryan would find him undesirable as anything else. "Boring" could equal "undesirable" in this case. That's assuming the canceled client read the blog...

To his credit, Ryan excised the line about the undesirables, but maybe not in time.

 

Lucky, the word i used was not "undesirable" and if you refer to my direct response to your post with regard to the affect that word could have, you'll see I corrected the record then and followed it with the word i actually used which was "intruders" and defined that word and included an explanation for choosing that particular word. Now it has been reintroduced unfortunately and I would ask all to refer to that thread personally, I would never use such a word as it does not apply and does not represent my feelings in any way. Further I chose not to edit the post as I felt it was the proper word to depict the behavior of those i consider to be intruders, and justifiably so. Real People, Real Relationships, Real Feelings If anything I ever write comes across as offensive or insensitive to a clients feelings, it should be carefully reread and if I indeed make a mistake when choosing my words I will appreciate it being brought to my attention and will promptly correct and explain my actual intentions.

[BaronArtz]

Hey maybe your prospective client simply ran out of money. Don't beat yourself up!

[+ Lucky]

Ryan the distinction escapes me. Who would be "intruders" to your room at the bath house except for those who you didn't want in? Those are the undesirable ones. I've been to the baths, so I know that many folks attempt to enter the room when you are not interested. They intrude, but the fact that they are not welcome is because they are not desired sexually. Otherwise, why wouldn't you want them to enter?

 

I think you were best off leaving this one alone.

[+ Charlie]

As I think you can figure out from the variety of responses here, it is impossible to generalize about how much personal information to reveal to the general public of potential clients. Some clients want to know as much as possible about an escort before hiring, including his non-escorting life; others would prefer that he be a nearly blank slate on which they can project whatever they wish. The one certainty is that the more you reveal, the more potential there is for misinterpretation or offense. My advice would be not to worry too much and just be yourself, whether that means being very private or telling interesting tales about your adventures.