From Steven Draker

[Guest greatness]

For those of you who are wondering about Steven Draker, I got this message from him.

 

"You can say to the Board that I'm doing great, I'm happily busy with work and friends and getting ready for my trips to Luxembourg, Paris and Florida.

 

Cheers, Steven ~"

 

 

I don't think what he did to Romann and David was appropriate. I, however, want to express my gratitude to Steven for checking on NCM and letting us know about his death. I do think Steven is a good guy. I hope he comes back soon.

[NYTomcat]

For those of you who are wondering about Steven Draker, I got this message from him.

 

"You can say to the Board that I'm doing great, I'm happily busy with work and friends and getting ready for my trips to Luxembourg, Paris and Florida.

 

Cheers, Steven ~"

 

 

I don't think what he did to Romann and David was appropriate. I, however, want to express my gratitude to Steven for checking on NCM and letting us know about his death. I do think Steven is a good guy. I hope he comes back soon.

 

Thanks for posting this and I believe many here will be happy to have his voice back on the forum. as I said to David I dont mind the comments as much as I didn't want them to diminish the acheivements of the others.

[+ Unicorn]

For those of you who are wondering about Steven Draker, I got this message from him.

 

"You can say to the Board that I'm doing great, I'm happily busy with work and friends and getting ready for my trips to Luxembourg, Paris and Florida.

 

Cheers, Steven ~"

 

 

I don't think what he did to Romann and David was appropriate. I, however, want to express my gratitude to Steven for checking on NCM and letting us know about his death. I do think Steven is a good guy. I hope he comes back soon.

 

For those of us who don't follow every message thread, perhaps someone might (briefly) enlighten those of us in the dark about what this is about?? What did he do to Romann and David?

[Mark Gordon]

For those of us who don't follow every message thread, perhaps someone might (briefly) enlighten those of us in the dark about what this is about?? What did he do to Romann and David?

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?t=72015

[Guest TBinCHI]

SD is, of course, entitled to his opinion. And Tomcat was entitled to his rant about hijacking the thread meant to congratulate Romann and Andrew and Tyger. But, I find it disingenuous of SD to ask a very nice guy to send a message to the Board. SD is in time out because of his behavior and sincerity would dictate that when his time out is over, he come back somewhat contrite. I would welcome back his voice, but as I said in my earlier post, I have no desire to read the thoughts of Ice Fire Wizard as they are seldom worth reading.

[Guest greatness]

To be fair

 

He didn't ask me to send a message to the Board. I initiated the contact to figure out what's going on. I don't know anything about Ice Fire Wizard thing. He says he is aware that I've met David. I don't know where he gets that idea. I've never met David.

 

SD is, of course, entitled to his opinion. And Tomcat was entitled to his rant about hijacking the thread meant to congratulate Romann and Andrew and Tyger. But, I find it disingenuous of SD to ask a very nice guy to send a message to the Board. SD is in time out because of his behavior and sincerity would dictate that when his time out is over, he come back somewhat contrite. I would welcome back his voice, but as I said in my earlier post, I have no desire to read the thoughts of Ice Fire Wizard as they are seldom worth reading.

[NYTomcat]

While I am far from the expert on this forum. I don't believe that SD's discussions in the Congratulations of the EOY thread were the sole reason for his time out. Lets be realistic, if people were expelled for that simple a matter we would all have been tossed out ages ago.

 

It is my understanding that there may be more here than meets the eye as to his posts and some posts that may have been taken down. As I came after the whole IceFireWizard debacle, I can't comment on it nor would I. At this point its water under the bridge. However I do get the impression Daddy had better or at least further reasons for the time out that are current. As I dont know enough on that I will leave it to Daddy, one of the moderators or someone with a better understanding, if they so choose, to comment further.

[JT Brooklyn]

Well for a few "Working Guys" the Motto has always been Any PUBLICITY with HIS Name Mentioned is good Pubicity in the long run!

 

But as JT has said before "over the Years" in regards to One EURO Working Guy... that ain't always the case!

 

I'm guessing that has finally come to pass! Welcome to 2010!

[Guest zipperzone]

I don't know - nor do I care - why SD is in the penalty box. It does nothing to detract from his glorious butt - one of best ones around!

[JT Brooklyn]

I don't know - nor do I care - why SD is in the penalty box. It does nothing to detract from his glorious butt - one of best ones around!

 

Sadly some Working Guys will only be remembered for their Glorious Butts!

 

BUT I doubt any would want that as THEIR ONLY claim to Working Guy Fame!

 

BUT I guess it is better than NOTHING else!

[+ azdr0710]

I don't know - nor do I care - why SD is in the penalty box. It does nothing to detract from his glorious butt - one of best ones around!

 

zip...you're absolutely right....his is really an awesome butt....and I'm lucky he's returning to Arizona in February...

[+ Lucky]

Mr. Draker used Daddy's forum to attack Daddy and to attack the escorts of the year. This is reprehensible, so he was given a time-out. greatness failed to respect that timeout and used his sign in to provide information in a way to defeat that disciplinary rule. greatness must realize that the rules apply to him too, and that no matter how he sugarcoats it, it was a faux pas on his part.

I've always thought that when we received a private message that it was just that: private. I would never to think of using someone's private message on the board.

In this case it appears that SD was manipulating him, but greatness is no school child and should have known better.

[JT Brooklyn]

Mr. Draker used Daddy's forum to attack Daddy and to attack the escorts of the year. This is reprehensible, so he was given a time-out. greatness failed to respect that timeout and used his sign in to provide information in a way to defeat that disciplinary rule. gereatness must realize that the rules apply to him too, and that no matter how he sugarcoats it, it was a faux pas on his part.

 

"Faux Pas" nothing new from either the few followers or the Draker Personna for a few years now.

[JoeyBryant]

I don't think what he did to Romann and David was appropriate.

 

I wasn't sure where I was to put this, but rather than interrupt someone's congratulations thread, just thought here would be more appropiate spot lol...good thing I just happened to read whats been exchanged until today.

 

Personally, I'm not into 'contestant' type winnings like strip contests and escort of the whatever awards. Looking at the nature of the profession, and as competitive as it seems; I cant see how having such a contest helps bring any of us together (other than the event itself). Its different from sports or sales jobs because there you have data and the stats are right there. It would seem the only stats here is through someone checking a box of someone who happens to be well known. Not that the person is truly the 'best'.

 

An example, I've gone to 'amateur strip nights' at gay bars. As inoculous as it seems, the person who usually ends up winning is the person who knows the bartenders, knows half the bar, and knows the entertainers. It doesn't even matter that the other 2 (usually new and unknown) guys standing there are waay hotter and danced better. And I'm sure they weren't judging from which stripper had the best 'people' skills.

 

As far as comments go, look around. What Draker said is no worse than the things that have been said to others and myself on here and in private (by other escorts).

 

From what it seems like, there appeared as if favoritism had to do with the winnings of the award. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Being that I'm not for such awards (even if it were for myself) I wouldn't fixate on it. Personally I think getting upset and analyzing it much is all ado about nothing.

 

If anything, its just a fun thing for us to participate in if we choose to. It shouldn't be taken to heart because unless a client has met every escort listed on the sites and can make a decision based on that, then to me...the contest isn't real. And even if someone did make that decision, thats their opinion. The next guy after him may think he's the best escort around and hire him a dozen more times.

[Bart]

While I do agree pitting one escort against another may not be in the best interest of the profession, it is a means recognizing someone for their hard work that has excelled during the past year.

 

Whatever issues Steven may have had with the process it certainly seems disingenuous to attack other escorts considering he was the winner of such award in 2007. So by attacking the process he is minimizing the award that won in 2007.

[Guest greatness]

well

 

I didn't mean to object to Daddy's decision. I agree to his decision. Lucky thank you for expressing your opinion. Come to think of it, you have every reason to think that way.

 

I do believe that people change. Focusing on the negative things about a person gets us no where. If we can, however, think of something positive about a person then we have a starting point for building better relationships. My post was written for that purpose. I had no intention to upset Daddy or defy his decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr. Draker used Daddy's forum to attack Daddy and to attack the escorts of the year. This is reprehensible, so he was given a time-out. greatness failed to respect that timeout and used his sign in to provide information in a way to defeat that disciplinary rule. greatness must realize that the rules apply to him too, and that no matter how he sugarcoats it, it was a faux pas on his part.

I've always thought that when we received a private message that it was just that: private. I would never to think of using someone's private message on the board.

In this case it appears that SD was manipulating him, but greatness is no school child and should have known better.

[MsGuy]

He (Draker) was the winner of such award in 2007. So by attacking the process he is ...

 

...perhaps confessing how he won two years ago???

 

In the words of the immortal Bugs

 

http://poietes.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/bugs-bunny-maroon.jpg

 

Thanks for the heads up, Bart. I'm a newbie here & had no idea.

[+ azdr0710]

Joey makes some very good points.....very, very subjective "contest"....the "winners" are all very good guys, but there are so many more who don't have breathless endorsements and apparent "PR" firms....

 

is it time to just not have this "escort of the year" competition anymore?

[Guest TBinCHI]

Joey makes some very good points.....very, very subjective "contest"....the "winners" are all very good guys, but there are so many more who don't have breathless endorsements and apparent "PR" firms....

 

is it time to just not have this "escort of the year" competition anymore?

 

Is it really a competition? It's not like there is the talent portion, the swimsuit portion, and the question portion. SD's point would have been a lot more credible if it were. I think that it is just a recognition on Daddy's part of the reviews and the interaction by the escorts on the board. Even if it is a result of who best kissed Daddy's ass - so what? It's his site isn't it? Come to think of it, maybe I'll start my own site and have such a competition. Sounds like a good way to pass the year.

[NYTomcat]

I didn't mean to object Daddy's decision. I agree to his decision. Lucky thank you for expressing your opinion. Come to think of it, you have every reason to think that way.

 

I do believe that people change. Focusing on the negative things about a person get us no where. If we can, however, think of something positive about a person then we have a starting point for building better relationships. My post was written for that purpose. I had no intention to upset Daddy or defy his decision.

 

I have no doubt that you meant the post in only the best of ways greatness. However, lucky is correct. The biggest problem is that the posts which are of concern are no longer on the board. While this is a good thing as it cast spurious and totally unfounded claims against a number of people, it also leaves the posters here scratching there heads as to why Mr. Draker was expelled from the forum. My point exactly see the comments below:

 

I wasn't sure where I was to put this, but rather than interrupt someone's congratulations thread, just thought here would be more appropiate spot lol...good thing I just happened to read whats been exchanged until today.

 

 

As far as comments go, look around. What Draker said is no worse than the things that have been said to others and myself on here and in private (by other escorts).

 

From what it seems like, there appeared as if favoritism had to do with the winnings of the award. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Being that I'm not for such awards (even if it were for myself) I wouldn't fixate on it. Personally I think getting upset and analyzing it much is all ado about nothing.

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I have no issue with Mr. Bryants comments and in fact agree that in some ways such a contest is totally subjective and should be taken for the fun of the moment. However it is also recognition for the hard work of many escorts, while some have certainly been overlooked as is always the case that does not diminish the ones who were singled out.

 

Notwithstanding this, It is Mr. Draker who went to far in giving this matter to much importance. He chose to post his comments in such a venemous way for no better reason than to harm those who had succeeded in being noticed where he had not. Now his comments on the congratulations post as they stand are not problematic, maybe rude but so what aren't we all. Look at me and my soap box here. IT is the comments we no longer see that has lead to his removal. While it is hard to judge these comments in a vaccum and without them before us, people must realize it is not his simple statements that caused his expulsion from the forum but others for which we cannot now review.

 

I wish only the best to him and hope that the experience makes him realize the stupidity that getting angry over such a competition creates. Although I gather this was not the first such incident. Still I agree with greatness that I hope he returns and finds a better way of judging his own merits. It seems his clients are truly loyal to him and that says alot about his skills. I just hope he sees that and moves forward in a more positive manner.

[Okliehomo]

For Fuck's sake....

 

What a clever little elf he really is.... to worm his way back onto this board by using greatness... and greatness, he ain't sweet ... I know that you love "The Sound of Music"... well, then, dear, picture this..... you are Maria and he is the Nazi chasing you through the mountains... the man has no shame... but what he does have is a very keen sense of survival.....

 

He's about to embark on his millionth US tour.... one more than Cher, for God's sake... and Daddy's is oh so important to his beaded purse but sadly, he just shit where he eats, just before arrival.. so now, what to do???

 

Well...... We all know what he did and exactly why. PR, baby, PR........ name in the news in spite of the ban... clever elf, indeed.

 

Greatness, for what it's worth, I think that you were his clueless accomplice.

 

He was asked to leave this party for very valid reasons and for him to sneak back in shows his true character and how desperate and jealous he really is. IceFireWizard, redux?? You bet.

 

And boys, jealousy is always the real issue here....

 

So, for you Draker fans out there, I suggest that you make your way to the cookie aisle in your local grocery store and just stare longingly at anything made by the Keebler Elves... not his awesome ass, but it sure is his ..... um.. elfin goodness.

 

Okie

[Businessguy]

Daddy made the right decision

 

Daddy's team acted correctly and I applaud them for how quickly they dealt with a potentially explosive problem. I happened to read SD's vicious post during the short hour it was up. It was way beyond the kind of bitchy arguing or name calling we all have occassionally seen here from time to time. Daddy did the right thing to pull it down quickly and suspend the quilty party. Hopefully a lesson learned for all of us.

I also want to applaud the victim and target of the post for not attacking back. I'm sure that has taken some self-control and demonstrates a high level of class.

One of my favorite sayings goes like this - Never get down and wrestle in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.

I'm not calling Steven a pig. It's just a saying. I'm sure Steven has many great qualities and has many friends and supporters on this site. I did read the post and this was not one of Steven's better choices or moments - under any circumstances.

[whipped guy]

We should have all ignored him...

 

...SD's vicious post during the short hour it was up was way beyond the kind of bitchy arguing or name calling we all have occassionally seen here from time to time.

I missed it but thought that what remains was in poor taste as well... but I can only imagine… I can only imagine!

...I also want to applaud the victim and target of the post for not attacking back. I'm sure that has taken some self-control and demonstrates a high level of class...

One of my favorite sayings goes like this - Never get down and wrestle in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.

Yes, at times silence is golden... read my current signature and you'll get what I mean. I change my signature periodically and I like to include bits of insight and morsels of advice by which I make every effort (however imperfectly) to live my life. For some reason (perhaps I saw something looming on the horizon) I thought that the following would be appropriate here…

 

"The most effective response to a bitter invective is indifference..."

 

Perhaps if we all had ignored Steven’s initial rant things would have appropriately died right then and there… but that would have taken quite a bit of willpower from too many people for too long a time… so it is indeed understandable as to why and how things transpired. Still kudos to the main victim for acting in a most appropriate manner.

 

Plus it’s all about the publicity… and in a sense he got what he wanted… However, in this case I think he more than overplayed his hand… and left most of us as cold as ice and in the process fire-branded his own butt by his inane wizardry..

[+ newatthis]

not a contest

 

...very, very subjective "contest"...

So far as I can tell, there is/was no "contest" -- Daddy just made his judgments and publicized them. Once up a time, there actually was a real contest, with voting and rules (which, IIRC, we haggled about incessantly here on the MC), but this wasn't that.

[JT Brooklyn]

Told Ya So!

 

Donot kid yourself Boys!

 

The "Belgian Waffler" has been playing his little Games for Years!

 

Does it feel good to after all these Years say I told you so:confused:

 

Hell Yes!