question about untruthful encounters

[Guest greatness]

So honest

 

Greg

 

You have such a great personality not to mention extreme cuteness. I think your glasses are nice on you. You look like a cute person at a library studying away. So cute.

 

Firsttimer if you have time before meeting someone who isn't reviewed hop on here and ask about the guy if you haven't done so yet. Many times it seems that someone here more times then not has seen the guy in question and can lead you in the right direction. Now if you meet a guy and he looks nothing like his pic well I'd say you don't owe him anything. This isn't like the real world where if you buy something and it doesn't work out you can return it. Also maybe ask the guy what is his most recent pic is if he has multiple pics. I know I probably shouldn't but I have recent pics as soon as a month ago to a few yrs back and when someone contacts me I let them know that the recent pics are the ones with me wearing glasses. Just my half cents worth. I hope that you learn quick. I personally don't like seeing guys being taken advantage of.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[firsttimer]

Also maybe ask the guy what is his most recent pic is if he has multiple pics. I know I probably shouldn't but I have recent pics as soon as a month ago to a few yrs back and when someone contacts me I let them know that the recent pics are the ones with me wearing glasses. Just my half cents worth. I hope that you learn quick. I personally don't like seeing guys being taken advantage of.

 

Hugs,

Greg

 

The first time this happened a few weeks ago the person did send me what they claimed were more recent pictures but that was not true when I arrived (he was heavier than his pictures and did NOT have a six pack). The second time yesterday I did ask the guy for more pictures but he just told me the pictures he had on rentboy was all he had and he couldn't send me any more even over yahoo messenger which is where I chatted with him first. I also spoke with him on the phone 3 times and he assured me that he looked like his pictures. Yet I trusted the other person again that he really was what his pictures advertised and again I was duped when I arrived. I was so depressed riding that bus back to my apartment so disappointed and kicking myself for being too trusting. I mean I should have known it'd be too good to be true for only 150 when the lowest in Chicago is like 250/hr.

 

So now I feel so defensive time after time with my multiple failed attempts. I wish I could just trust the person on the other side. I know I am too picky as I can't seem to find anyone in Chicago who fits what I am looking for.

[firsttimer]

Meet him, give him a chance, you may be pleasantly surprised. If he is really new, you get to see that really nervous innocent look in his eye. Doesn't that turn you on? It does me.. But you better hire him fast, that look doesn't last long... lol My opinion and some food for thought.

 

I agree with you and thus I gave these guys a chance. Now I know better and can warn others here on the boards. Sometimes when we post a 411 on these new guys no one responds. So I don't know if I don't try which seems to be what other people sometimes post in other threads. But maybe I should leave the trying to other more experienced people.

[Mark Gordon]

Tattoos & Yahoos

 

I'm sorry to hear you had another bad encounter, firsttimer. I was wondering whether the escort in question showed his face in his pics, and also whether he looked like his pics other than the tattoos? Escorts who are concerned about discretion will sometimes remove the tattoos in their pics so as not to make themselves readily identifiable, but if he was showing his face I can't see that being the issue. In any case, if he had so many tattoos that you could see them when he was fully clothed in the lobby of his apartment building, then he should mention them in the text of his ad.

 

You also mentioned that you had a chat with him on Yahoo messenger. Was the webcam icon showing? If so, maybe you could've requested a preview. I mention in my ads that I'm happy to have a webcam chat before meeting, so that clients can see exactly what I look like in real time, and new clients frequently take me up on this.

 

I can understand why you'd be hesitant to see unreviewed escorts in the future, but I agree with Ryan that it would be unfortunate if all clients kept seeing only the same small pool of heavily-reviewed escorts. You should also check multiple sources for reviews. The fact is that very few clients review in some areas, and if they do they often don't use Daddy's. I work most days, but in the 8 months since I moved back to Canada, I've had only 1 new local review on Daddy's, although I have another 7 on Canadian Male and 2 on Cruising for Escorts.

[whipped guy]

…I wish I could just trust the person on the other side. I know I am too picky as I can't seem to find anyone in Chicago who fits what I am looking for.

 

Firsttimer… Yes it is all about trust… and especially so for an initial encounter where you are not quite sure if you are dealing with a responsible and honest individual.

 

Hopefully the Chicago contingent will step up to the plate and give you some suggestions either here or via a private message… Still, sometimes it can be a bit embarrassing to discuss one’s preferences in a public forum, and if you feel that way it is perfectly understandable. However, don’t be afraid to ask as you are among friends… still we all have our comfort level… Plus, don’t feel that you are “too picky”. You should be picky as after all this is all about you and what floats your boat… so you have every right to be picky and then some and especially considering the potential monetary outlay. So don’t be afraid to post a 411, and don’t be afraid to overtly ask about any individuals that might fit your ideal template.

 

Bottom line… unless you are looking for a guy who looks like Quasimodo (which I doubt) I don’t think that you have anything to fear… and even if that were to be the case… so what! At least all of us here can say that we have, “Heard it all!” And guess what? I would bet someone would be willing and able to steer you in the right direction…

 

While I am emphatically not steering you away form a lesser-known escort, perhaps some well-reviewed escort who travels will be visiting Chicago in the near future. It might be worth your while to wait for that event to occur so you will be able to experience the top-notch individual that you desire and surely deserve.

 

Someone suggested a 10 minute period at the beginning of the session where either the client or the escort could opt out without obligation... the first ten minutes is a warm up chat over a complimentary glass of wine for ~THEM~ to determine whether or not they would like to proceed.

 

Incidentally Ryan Cade’s technique reminds me of how the long retired Reece Rothmeier used to deal with clients. He always had a pre-session discussion to see where your head was at. Now I don’t think that he did this for the same reasons that Ryan does it, but it certainly did not hurt the eventual outcome of the session… Plus, after meeting Reece I doubt that anyone on this earth could possibly be disappointed in any way. So kudos to Ryan! He sounds like one of the good ones!

[+ newatthis]

Stop using unreviewed escorts

I have heard this several times on this board, and it has to be the most troublesome statement so far.. How is a new escort to be reviewed if the reviewers refuse to see escorts that have no reviews, and referred to, as I was, and "unknown entity" Maybe the more nuanced version of pk's advice is "Stop using unreviewed escorts until you have enough experience to feel confident in making judgments based on emails and phone conversations."

[Guest RyanCade]

The fact is that very few clients review in some areas, and if they do they often don't use Daddy's. I work most days, but in the 8 months since I moved back to Canada, I've had only 1 new local review on Daddy's

 

I ran a service for awhile and worked full time as an escort. It took me two years to be reviewed on Daddy's or MER. I wanted reviews but wouldn't ask for them, as I felt it was inappropriate. However, I did get my first review, granted, it was a terrible review. It got me on the site and was followed be a good one, so I am grateful. I have already begun to reap the benefits of being a "reviewed Escort"

 

I wanted to add to my earlier comments. The number of bad experiences clients have endure and the length of time it takes for a new escort to be reviewed would be significantly reduced if you guys made it a point to see the new guys right away. Evaluate him thoroughly, and then immediately write and post your review, whether it's good bad.. Question the escort about his experience, and if he is VERY new to the business you may notice some of his deficiency's are due to his lack of experience, then maybe grant a little leniency in the review, making note of how new he is for the readers. This method would blow the cover of "bad people" posing as "Escorts" sooner and save other clients from a bad experience. On the other hand, if he is a good escort you will do him great justice and help him prosper.

[+ newatthis]

...The number of bad experiences clients have endure and the length of time it takes for a new escort to be reviewed would be significantly reduced if you guys made it a point to see the new guys right away. Evaluate him thoroughly, and then immediately write and post your review, whether it's good bad.

I agree with you and make a special effort to review new guys asap. BUT -- writing a decent review takes time and effort and my good intentions sometimes fall victim to a busy schedule. Mea culpa.

 

Question the escort about his experience...

I agree. I've found the question "how long have you been doing this" or some variant thereof to be very helpful in determining what kind of experience I'm likely to have.

[Guest zipperzone]

Lol. I own three shoes so I don't know where the better boutiques would be located. There's always Michigan Avenue but I don't think the prices will be a steal.

 

Two rights and a left? How do you get a matching pair? Just kidding....

[firsttimer]

Two rights and a left? How do you get a matching pair? Just kidding....

 

Lol. I should say three pairs of shoes =P Thanks for your correction. I am not a three footed anomaly.

[firsttimer]

I'm sorry to hear you had another bad encounter, firsttimer. I was wondering whether the escort in question showed his face in his pics, and also whether he looked like his pics other than the tattoos? Escorts who are concerned about discretion will sometimes remove the tattoos in their pics so as not to make themselves readily identifiable, but if he was showing his face I can't see that being the issue. In any case, if he had so many tattoos that you could see them when he was fully clothed in the lobby of his apartment building, then he should mention them in the text of his ad.

 

You also mentioned that you had a chat with him on Yahoo messenger. Was the webcam icon showing? If so, maybe you could've requested a preview. I mention in my ads that I'm happy to have a webcam chat before meeting, so that clients can see exactly what I look like in real time, and new clients frequently take me up on this.

 

I can understand why you'd be hesitant to see unreviewed escorts in the future, but I agree with Ryan that it would be unfortunate if all clients kept seeing only the same small pool of heavily-reviewed escorts. You should also check multiple sources for reviews. The fact is that very few clients review in some areas, and if they do they often don't use Daddy's. I work most days, but in the 8 months since I moved back to Canada, I've had only 1 new local review on Daddy's, although I have another 7 on Canadian Male and 2 on Cruising for Escorts.

 

So when I chatted with him on Yahoo messenger he did not have a webcam. At first he only wanted to talk to me by phone because he said he didn't have internet. This was not true as he was able to email me and get on yahoo after our first phone conversation.

 

The pictures he was using do have face pictures. He does not look exactly like his face pictures so that is why I think he is using another person's pictures (the person's pictures he used look better than he does) and clearly shows his torso and legs which do not have any tatoos on them. When I met this guy fully clothed at the door of his apartment he clearly had a tatoo on his right leg and one on his neck both visible.

 

The first time this happened the biggest lie the escort made was that he claimed he had a six pack (also seen in his pictures) and when I got there he clearly had NO six pack. Actually I should say this has happened twice since the very first time I ever met an escort in Los Angeles months ago this also was the case but I did not have the guts at that time to call it off and leave due to my inexperience. This second time a few weeks ago I left and gave the guy 40 bucks on my way out the door of his friend's apartment where he was housesitting.

[+ glutes]

firsttimer, since you are in the Windy City - what do you know of:

 

http://www.windycityboys.com/chicago.htm

[+ purplekow]

Maybe the more nuanced version of pk's advice is "Stop using unreviewed escorts until you have enough experience to feel confident in making judgments based on emails and phone conversations."

 

Actually the more nuanced version is: Stop using unreviewed escort or stop complaining when they don't work out.

 

As for a new escort getting started, well, just like every other profession you start slowly and build a clientele. There will always be someone out there who will "take one for the team." Firsttimer is out of his depth at this time. As was mentioned, an experienced client has a better chance of weeding out the frauds, flakes, phonies, thieves and bashers.

 

To parody Cher: Phonies Flakes and Thieves

 

He was horned by the guys who were travellin' through

Daddy hadn't given them a review

The posters would do whatever they could

Preach to him the gospel of hiring escorts who'll give you good wood

 

Phonies, flakes and thieves

He'd hear it from the people on the board they'd warn him

Phonies, flakes and thieves

But many nights he would hire on the phone and then wind up all alone

 

He sees pics and thinks that they are ideal

For one hundred dollars these guys are a steal

They say that they are 18 but they're 41

Doesnt have a 6 pack and god knows that they've had more than just one

 

Phonies, flakes and thieves

He'd hear it from the posters on the board who've warned him

Phonies, flakes and thieves

But many nights he'd just hired on the phone and wind up all alone

[NYTomcat]

That is just too Funny purple, I had to listen to the original to follow the new lyrics but really good. Once again you make my night fun LOL:)

[AdamSmith]

As was mentioned, an experienced client has a better chance of weeding out the frauds, flakes, phonies, thieves and bashers.

 

You think?! This client has found that experience may teach a few things about smelling trouble ahead of time. But what it does much more is just inure you to the risk that first-time experiments may well misfire one way or another, and that is all part of the game. My comic enjoyment of a couple of disasters was almost as great as if they had gone right.

[firsttimer]

firsttimer, since you are in the Windy City - what do you know of:

 

http://www.windycityboys.com/chicago.htm

 

Hey glutes, yes I know of them and have tried them once. I didn't really like it that much (not the escort's problem, the rest of everything else) so you can message me if you have specific questions about them. None of their guys are what I'm looking for and I don't like dealing with the head of that group.

[BearDad58]

One way I have found to deal with the issue of escorts posting pictures that are not truthful or complete fakes is to to do what others have suggested which is make it very clear on the phone if the escort does not match the picture then no deal and I will not pay anything even a nominal amount. Now this assumes I have gone to the escort, now if he comes to me then I probably would have to give him "cab fare" but when dealing with unreviewed escorts I rarely let them come to me.

 

I also used to print out a picture of the escort, and if the escort didn't match the picture I would then show him the picture and ask whats up with that. Nowadays I just put the picture on my iPhone and show that to the escort if there is a discrepancy. Most of the time when I whip out a picture a sheepish grin comes across the escorts face and he gives me some BS excuse.

 

The funniest excuse I heard was that a virus had attacked his computer and was sending out fake pictures.

[firsttimer]

One way I have found to deal with the issue of escorts posting pictures that are not truthful or complete fakes is to to do what others have suggested which is make it very clear on the phone if the escort does not match the picture then no deal and I will not pay anything even a nominal amount. Now this assumes I have gone to the escort, now if he comes to me then I probably would have to give him "cab fare" but when dealing with unreviewed escorts I rarely let them come to me.

 

I also used to print out a picture of the escort, and if the escort didn't match the picture I would then show him the picture and ask whats up with that. Nowadays I just put the picture on my iPhone and show that to the escort if there is a discrepancy. Most of the time when I whip out a picture a sheepish grin comes across the escorts face and he gives me some BS excuse.

 

The funniest excuse I heard was that a virus had attacked his computer and was sending out fake pictures.

 

I did make it clear that if they didn't match their picture I would leave. I did leave of course after getting there and realizing they do not match their picture but I still felt bad. I wonder if this is very common if you have to bring a picture of them always just to prove it to them that they aren't what they advertised!

 

The virus excuse is the lamest excuse I've heard! But hilarious.

[Guest rodeo]

Firsttimer, I read some of your earlier posts and I have to wonder if you're being too hard on at least some of these escorts. In one thread, you complained about a guy who misled you because didn't have a six pack as defined as the one shown in his photo. Several people looked at his ad photo and said it didn't look like a six pack at all. You corrected yourself and said that the six pack only showed up in photos he sent you privately If you get several photos of an escort from different angles or different times and the worst one is accurate, I don't think it's fair to say he misled you.

 

That doesn't excuse the tattoo guy but apparently most of the issues you have are about the ab area.

[firsttimer]

Firsttimer, I read some of your earlier posts and I have to wonder if you're being too hard on at least some of these escorts. In one thread, you complained about a guy who misled you because didn't have a six pack as defined as the one shown in his photo. Several people looked at his ad photo and said it didn't look like a six pack at all. You corrected yourself and said that the six pack only showed up in photos he sent you privately If you get several photos of an escort from different angles or different times and the worst one is accurate, I don't think it's fair to say he misled you.

QUOTE]

 

True it wasn't a clear six pack in the pictures but at least it looked toned. Not a belly. For me six pack abs are a big turnon (obviously). All I'm saying is that I always trust that the escort is what they advertise in their pictures and I have not found that to be the case most of the time. That makes me sad and more jaded the more I try hiring in thei process.

[+ glutes]

All I'm saying is that I always trust that the escort is what they advertise in their pictures and I have not found that to be the case most of the time. That makes me sad and more jaded the more I try hiring in thei process.

 

Join the crowd 1sttimer!

And when you call out alerts here on the MF (Message Forum), some will label you as a 'negative nellie'.

So be it, and welcome to Hooville.