Advice? Escort or Masseur?

[canucknick]

Hey guys. I'm hoping someone can help me out.

 

I'm going to be traveling to NYC soon, and I'd like to meet up with an erotic masseur. I've had some experiences with this -- some good, some ok, thankfully none bad. But the hard part is trying to find someone to hire.

 

Ideally I'd like to have a great massage that would progress into more erotic areas with mutual contact, even sex if the chemistry is there. Some masseurs have done this, to varying degrees, but it's really hard to find them -- for the same reason that it's hard to talk about them on this board -- because if they're really trying to maintain some "legitimacy" with their bodywork business or if they're really wary of some legal entrapment, they won't want to talk about specifics about what the "erotic" part of their services can mean. So I try to read between the lines in their ads, or read their euphemistic reviews, but...either I haven't decoded the language, or I'm just not asking the right questions or going about my research in the right way, but it's hard to find what I'm looking for in a straightforward way. And since it's usually a good amount of money we're talking about, I'd like to know what I'm in for.

 

So this is my question, and where I hope I can get advice -- should I look for masseurs that I'm interested in, and ask if they have unadvertised fees that with include some more escort-like options? And is there a way to ask about this that isn't potentially insulting to the guys? Or is it better to just look at the escort ads, and hope that I find one who can also actually give a decent massage?

 

Also...if anyone has names of people they recommend, I would appreciate that as well.

 

Thanks for your time.

[Lewis H]

Well, I've had more than a few who progressed, so they say, but sometimes I wondered if it was a result of chemistry. However, that said, some DO advertise Erotic massages, and also have alternate massage ads. You could look in Rentboy, for example, through all the escorts, and then alternately search just for masseurs, and you'll find that many of the guys have duplicate ads, indicating they'll cross over as necessary (with attendant fee increases!).

 

Before one would make suggestions, what times catch your fancy? Anyone in particular of the masseurs you've shortlisted thus far?

[Lankypeters]

Kevin

 

Kevin, listed under masseurs on Rentboy, gives a good massage and a hot, hot time. Tell him what you're after.

[+ Axiom2001]

Go to http://www.massagem4m.com and see what the guys in NYC are up to. Mario Ortiz's ad and private pics are really enticing and sizzzzzzzzzzzzling. I plan to see him whenever I get back to "The Big Apple." I plan to ask him in which should I engage his services, escort or masseur. He does both, and from his ad at m4m, it appears to me that his massage is as hot as if one had engaged his services as an escort.

 

Another site to peruse is http://www.masseurfinder.com. If you select "Erotic Massage," just contact the masseur in question and just ask him to detail exactly the erotic portion of the massage. Or ask outright if he'd be willing to play escort for you!

 

Good luck and have loads of fun ofrelaxation and rejuvenation!

[Jon]

MassageM4M

 

Having used MassageM4M/Masseurfinder.com sites to engage the services of an erotic massage therapist instead of an "escort" in a number of cities to which I have traveled, including NYC, IF you want a "happy ending" you need to be very specific ahead of time.

I have had the experience that when some list themselves providing a "sensual" or "erotic" massage it might include some sensual stroking but not necessarily a release....

I have found that when speaking to the massage therapists to set up the appointment being direct and up front usually will answer any of the questions....

By the way, if you ever get to Atlanta..GO directly to Ron, AtlantaFantaseeMassage....BEST erotic massage you will EVER find!!!

[bobchitown]

First, welcome to the boards.

 

You need to decide what you're after, and just be honest about it. Do you want a massage, or do you want to be fucked until you see Jesus? Both are equally available in NYC!!

 

His web site seems to be dead, but I still suggest you try to contact Frank Williams at frankinncy@email.com. He responded to me from that address recently. He gives a great combo experience, and is a really cool guy.

 

If you want a great time with an escort, you might want to try Dane Scott. He's in Chicago mostly, but will be in NYC for several weeks in the near future - worth checking out, since he is truly the best.

 

Again, if you really want the full experience, just go for it with a well-reviewed guy and don't worry about it.

[BaronArtz]

I agree 100% with Bobchitown's comments about Frank Williams, who has been extensively reviewed. He has a nice, clean place in Times Square. A great masseur who crosses over seamlessly from a professional nude massage to a hot erotic session. He never disappoints. He is a muscular, hairy white guy. If you are into that, I would say go for it.

 

I have had good experiences with 'Abe' on masseurfinder.com (http://www.masseurfinder.com/members/studlyranger.shtml). He is a nicely sculpted black guy with a place near the 2/3 train downtown, and a master at relaxing your glutes ...

 

In general though, I would be careful about the masseur ads on adam4adam and on masseurfinder.com. As others have rightly pointed out, only go for guys that have been well reviewed.

[canucknick]

Thanks for all the advice, guys. I've checked out masseurfinder and massagem4m, and contacted some guys on those sites. Some have seemed reluctant to say anything too specific about what can happen during the session, and as Jon pointed out there can be different ways of defining "sensual" or "erotic." But I guess the advice most of you have given is just to say exactly what I want, and ask them what the rates fro that would be. I guess if they're nervous about that, then I'm probably not going to want to hire them.

 

The thing is, Bobchitown, is that ideally I'd like both. I'd like to start out with a great massage that then progressed to my getting fucked. But I'd really like to have a somewhat great massage first, not just idle strokes...which is why I wondered if I should be trying to see if a guy who advertises as a masseur could also top, or find an escort who says he also does massage. As le ***** says, there are some that advertise as both on rentboy, so I've done a lot of cross-referencing.

 

Speaking of le *****...how did you get the massage to "progress" to other areas, without setting ti up specifically beforehand? Are there things to say or do during the massage to let the masseur know that, if the chemistry is there, they can go further?

 

And lankypeters...are you recommending this Kevin: http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?lid=149829&scid=32109412&sp=4&pos=69

or this one:http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?lid=207107&scid=32109412&sp=2&pos=36

 

Thanks for all the help, guys. I really appreciate it.

[JT Brooklyn]

Welcome NICK...

 

IMHO.."Specialists" are always the way to go! It's always better a Working Guy does One thing Great rather than 2 things MEDIOCRE!

 

A "Pro Massage and Pro Dick" are Hard to find in one guy! Even in a Candy Store like NYC.

 

The ODDS on you finding it the First Time very slim.

 

My advice "Keep doing it" til you find "THE GUY" that does it for YOU!

 

But your Best Bet... go wth the Reviews around here! Some of these "Massage Site Reviews" are really BOGUS!

[+ blondeq]

Canucknick, you may want to give the below site a try for reviews. While this site is not nearly as popular as massagem4m or masseurfinder, you will find that the reveiws are more explicit and, in my opinion, much more realistic then the standard "more handsome than his pics" or "best massage of my life" crap that you get on the mainstream sites.

 

http://www.escortmasseurreviews.com/

 

Good luck

[josephga]

I agree with JT Brooklyn finding a person that does both and both well is very rare. Most certified and state licensed masseur invest allot of money and time in their work and will find such request insulting. Massage school is very expensive and most wont risk the loss of their license. You might find someone to do both but most likely they won't have any real massage training..

[Lankypeters]

.are you recommending this Kevin: http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?

 

 

Yes.

[jackcali]

I think you need to make clear in your communications that you're looking for the masseur to top you before you meet up with him. I also like good massages to progress to something more (though oral in my case), and my advice to you is to find a good masseur who's willing to go further. I think there are a lot more guys who know how to fuck (or suck) than know how to give a good massage, so search for someone with the less common skill.

 

Good luck.

[Guest zipperzone]

I agree with JT Brooklyn finding a person that does both and both well is very rare. Most certified and state licensed masseur invest allot of money and time in their work and will find such request insulting. Massage school is very expensive and most wont risk the loss of their license. You might find someone to do both but most likely they won't have any real massage training..

 

It's quite possible they will do more but won't discuss it or promise anything beforehand.

[+ Italiano]

It's quite possible they will do more but won't discuss it or promise anything beforehand.

 

I TOTALLY agree.

[TruthBTold]

See the Rafael Alencar review today. He seems to do less or more depending on what you want.

[+ g56whiz]

I don't know which Kevin LankyPeters recommends but I recommend the first mentioned:

 

http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?...12&sp=4&pos=69

 

He's a skilled therapist and very sexy but not, to my knowledge, "full service".

 

On the other hand, Frank Williams is full service and I can recommend him for both. I went to him first (back in his Queens era) for a massage. It was great and sensual. By the time he got to Manhattan, I went back for more skipping the massage altogether. He was great as an escort as well.

 

This question came up some time ago in the Spa forum and the issue there was how can you inquire about the masseur's availability as an escort without insulting him or putting him off. One poster suggested that when making the enquiry, you ask if the masseur has any other fees or fee schedules.

 

And while on the issue, does anyone know whether tattooed and pierced Coltman Colin in New York is full service? http://www.rentboy.com/listing.aspx?lid=204390&scid=32159582&sp=1&pos=1

[btmstudnyc]

Some help

 

I thought that I might be able to help you out with this one a bit. I do both massage and escort....I also do the combo. There are a lot of guys that do both. Some escorts who decided to get into massage and some masseurs that decided to get into escorting. There are also guys who want to make money and have no experience. I usually am up front and let people know that a massage is a massage is a massage....my massages always end with a "happy ending" and is always naked on both sides. Happy ending doesn't consist of more than a few minutes. If you ask for a massage, I am the one in control of what is going on. And to be clear, I actually started as a masseur and progressed into being an escort. I got tired of saying "NO." hahaha

 

On the other hand. If you want a no holds barred massage with complete interaction with you having more control, then its usually an escort rate, You just happen to have someone giving you a massage too.

 

If you ask for a combo, then its half and half....but there still may be some limits that you wouldn't have with an escort (although there are escorts that have ridiculous limits regardless.) You can always ask the erotic masseur, what is the rate for a combo session. But be careful not to "bait and switch" a massage for an full on escort session.

 

Also, you can always tell the masseur/escort that you want to get a massage and may want to change it into a combo or escort session....in that case, be prepared to pay the difference.

 

I have had guys come in for a massage and say, Let's skip that. And I've had others, just want to be taken care of and not get so personal.

 

One last thing, If you want to ask discreetly about the erotic massage, you can always ask if the masseur massages all the "nooks and crannies" and if he is frightened by an erection. Those answers are usually good clues. Especially if he answers with a sense of humor and not with an uptight legally construed answer.

[josephga]

one problem is allot of people want a escort at a massage price. I use too get a couple of calls a week asking if a 75.00 massage was full service.

[BaronArtz]

Hi btmstudnyc ... interesting post. Could you provide a link to your masseur/escort profile?

 

g56whiz ... I share your sentiment about Frank Williams. It sounds we have similar tastes, and shared experiences

[Gar1eth]

First, welcome to the boards.

 

You need to decide what you're after, and just be honest about it. Do you want a massage, or do you want to be fucked until you see Jesus? Both are equally available in NYC!!

 

His web site seems to be dead, but I still suggest you try to contact Frank Williams at frankinncy@email.com. He responded to me from that address recently. He gives a great combo experience, and is a really cool guy.

 

 

I had always been interested in Frank--but he wouldn't do overnights--also, but I might be wrong about this--did I hear that he didn't deep kiss?

 

Gman

[Gar1eth]

I think you need to make clear in your communications that you're looking for the masseur to top you before you meet up with him. I also like good massages to progress to something more (though oral in my case), and my advice to you is to find a good masseur who's willing to go further. I think there are a lot more guys who know how to fuck (or suck) than know how to give a good massage, so search for someone with the less common skill.

 

Good luck.

 

No offense to any of the legitimately trained masseurs on this thread. I love a good massage. On the other hand I guess I am not much of a connoisseur because I've had a lot of escorts--especially those with big hands--have done a nice job on my back, neck, and buttocks region--obviously not as good as a professional--but since I knew my happy ending was about to start soon--I lived with it.

 

Gman

[jackcali]

I was thinking about finding someone who can give a legitimate theraputic massage as well as provide escort services. There are many escorts who are not trained in massage who can give an enjoyable massage or backrub, and I very much enjoy that as an icebreaker with an escort I'm meeting for the first time or if I just feel like being pampered. But sometimes I want a serious professional theraputic massage to address some health issues I have, and it's rare for an untrained masseur to be able to provide that. I can't help that those massasges always seem to get my libido going, raising other 'health issues' that I want to have addressed immediately. I've got no problem paying a blended rate or even the full escort rate for the combination.

[BaronArtz]

I had always been interested in Frank--but he wouldn't do overnights--also, but I might be wrong about this--did I hear that he didn't deep kiss?

 

Gman

 

Gman, Frank did mention on his (former) website that he was available for overnights, weekends and even trips. However, he has started a business with his partner, requiring him to be available 9-6 during the week. I guess that's why he doesn't do daytime massages/escort sessions anymore and, I presume, it makes it difficult to do overnighters and extended trips as well.

 

I never got into kissing him. The transition from a great massage session into an escort session, however, was seamless. During my first session with him - scheduled as a massage - I'd get on my back on the table after 30 minutes. Frank got on all 4s, facing the other way - offering up his crotch and ass for an inspection. I could get in further detail, but I can't do that on this forum. Let me just say that he basically begged me to f**k him. Feeling up the smooth velvety skin around his tight money maker made that an easy decision ...

[canucknick]

thanks, guys

 

...you've all given me a lot to think about. In fact, I've already spent far too much time going through websites and reviews, comparing and contrasting, thinking about what would be best...now I think it's just time to figure out what I want. Maybe what I really should do is get a good sensual massage from someone with excellent reviews as a masseur, and then splurge on an escort that particularly attracts me. Maybe I'm getting all tangled up in trying to find the one guy who has everything. If that guy existed...well, maybe I wouldn't be single.

 

Maybe the reason that I've resisted just going ahead and hiring an escort is that I'm a little nervous about leaping right into sex with someone I'm paying, and so was looking at the massage as a way to ease myself into it. As I mentioned, I'm not all that experienced with this, and am by no means an expert at, um, bottoming...so I was hoping that a massage would relex me enough to be able to do it. And that a masseur would be tempermentally more gentle than an escort, more of a teacher. Maybe that's the thinking that I need to get over.

 

But anyway, thanks so much. Any more advice or recommendations are elways appreciated.