The lengthiest Escort screening process ever!

[Boston Guy]

... Having said that, its a recession folks. So escorts all over the place are either having a hard time making ends meet, having to work harder to make the same amount they used to make or are plain flat broke. ...

 

Playing devil's advocate again:

 

There's a fine line between stating what you want and insulting your escort. The hottest escort generally will become insulted having to repeat the information that was in their ad. Once insulted, you can be sure you won't have a good time. =)

 

I repeat: "The educated, serious client, I believe, will contact the escort already knowing what they want, that the escort can deliver what they want, and are calling to make an appointment."

 

I find the disconnect between these two messages telling. Perhaps it's due to the fact the escorts are often young and largely inexperienced in business. Perhaps it's because so many clients fawn over escorts, leading many escorts to have an inflated sense of their own self-worth. Regardless, the best escorts that I've know have understood clearly that their business consisted of marketing, sales and the provision of a service. They didn't become "insulted" when a prospective customer asked questions about their services. Good salespeople of all types are patient with customers because they know that's the kind of behavior most likely to bring about sales.

 

Similarly, "Once insulted, you can be sure you won't have a good time." implies a service provider who is either immature and not concerned about providing good value for money received or naive and convinced that he doesn't need to concern himself at all with matters of image and/or repeat business. It might work for some but it's bad business nonetheless.

[justaguy]

It is also possible that the "educated, serious" client is not exactly sure of what he wants. In some ways, asking questions of the escort is a way for the client to clarify goals for himself. This speaks to a) the need for good communication and b) a proper client/escort fit.

[buckguy]

This has gone on far too long. The simplest explanation is that he has a woman friend who's a high end (or aspiring high end) escort and he has no idea how working boys usually operate.

[Guest LeoWalker]

I find the disconnect between these two messages telling. Perhaps it's due to the fact the escorts are often young and largely inexperienced in business. Perhaps it's because so many clients fawn over escorts, leading many escorts to have an inflated sense of their own self-worth.

 

Quite presumptuous, don't you think? Could it also not be different business models? The rise and fall of different service providers? Or a variety of other factors?

 

Regardless, the best escorts that I've know have understood clearly that their business consisted of marketing, sales...

 

Which is why most of the escorts I personally know refuse to post on this forum. Unless you treat every post as a sugar-coated advertisement, and even then, you're bound to upset a number of people who will respond negatively...which, may hurt the bottom-line of one's business.

 

On one hand, looking for the clients I seek, those who read my posts and like what I have to say may bring what I'm looking for. On the other hand, I may misrepresent myself and lose good potential clients. I'm willing to take the financial risk to share a complete point of view...to counter and create thought. Remember, escorts are people, too.

[Boston Guy]

Presumptuous? Nah; I've been hiring far too long and met far too many escorts for my statement to be a rash judgment.

 

I've been very fortunate in my experiences with escorts over the years. I've hired many, many guys but the number of bad experiences wouldn't take up the fingers on one hand if I were start to counting. Part of the reason for that success has been being fairly selective when it comes to hiring escorts. I like friendly, boy-next-door guys most of all but have hired escorts of many different stripes over the years. But I've learned that the guys that I most do not want to spend time with are the ones who are arrogant and full of an inflated sense of their self worth.

 

These are the guys who make specific rules that one must follow in order to contact them, who won't answer questions without being insulted or annoyed if the answer is on their website (God forbid someone should waste five minutes of their valuable time without having first found and studied their website!) and who are generally very difficult to work with. Rather than being good at what is generally called customer service, interacting with these guys gives one the definite sense that the escort feels like they are doing the client a gigantic favor by providing a service for a few hundred dollars an hour.

 

There used to be an escort here (I forget who) who seriously claimed that the services he provided were more important to clients than the services provided by their medical doctors. Presumptuous? That's presumptuous.

 

On the flip side, the escorts I've enjoyed getting to know the most were the ones who treated the transaction with the same kind of respect you'd accord a friend, who made it easy to get in touch with them and who tried to make it seem like this was just going to be a good time right from the get-go. These are the guys I like meeting, the ones I like to getting to know and the ones I've generally tried to see more than once and often many times over a long period of time. Life's too short for a lot of attitude. If the flip side of being able to work for a few hundred dollars an hour is needing to wade through a number of prospects for each "sale", well, welcome to the real world. There are very few businesses or service providers who get calls only from committed customers, whose prospects never ask stupid questions or go away after making inquiries and then changing their mind.

 

This might make me sound angry or aggravated but I assure you that I am neither. I've simply learned to look for the friendly guys and walk on by the guys who make it difficult. The gentleman above who said that he works harder to make the same income has probably figured all this out. The escorts he refers to as being broke probably haven't. It's pretty simple really.

 

I'm glad you're posting here and am not implying any criticism at all of you. I simply picked up on your statement because of the counterpoint between it and the previous one. I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future and recognize that my comments reflect only the experience of a single client.

[JoeyBryant]

Escorts who say that they don't answer text messages and won't answer blocked numbers will not be contacted by me

 

Text messages are far too time consuming and distracting while driving. I've spent 20-30 minutes typing back and forth 4 messages which could be handled in a 2-3 minute phone conversation. I've only had 2 bookings come out of a blocked number in 2 years...thats out of billions of them. So Im not inclined to answer them

 

When an escort places all of those restrictions on being contacted, what they are saying is "I will only talk to you on your personal cell phone and only if you give me the number before I even answer the phone." Well, that may work for them but it doesn't work for me.

 

Not exactly. I think it may be translated that text tennis is too time consuming and tedious to be used as a mode of contact for a public ad, blocked numbers never add up to anything (and dangerous if we cant track the person if something bad happens).

 

I have often talked to an escort and then decided not to proceed further and there's no reason for that person to have my cell number. I'm chary with my cell number these days.

 

Me too. Which is why for business I have a separate phone. T-Mobil, Sprint, and Verizon are just a few who carry re-fill phones. Non-commital, easy to switch on and off are what they all have in common.

 

Sometimes the escort will agree and sometimes they'll decide to come over. But life is too short to try to force something to happen when one or the other party is not comfortable from the get-go. Better to just go and read a book instead.

 

Sometimes though it doesnt happen from the get-go. I know, its a fast life out here, especially in a place like Boston. At the same time I dont mind to take a moment to help a client, or myself :o feel a bit more comfortable during the pre-meet. Many times there is nothing to prove that a bad vibe is valid (and its hard to determine that over the phone, it really is). Like yesterday I had a nagging feeling about a client from the get-go. Told him I wouldnt meet him cause I felt uncomfortable. We chatted for a couple more minutes. I felt comfortable and then when I arrived I felt silly for feeling uncomfortable because he turned out to be really nice and we had alot of fun.

 

2 years ago one of my massage clients hired a female escort and he paid by credit card. She was raided and he was called with other clients to testify against her because they had her credit card records.

 

Ugh, allowing clients to pay by credit cards is one of the most ridiculous and careless practices I can ever imagine in this industry. I dont care who does it. Completely un-discreet and the fact of charge-backs? Damn, I couldnt bare to think about it.

 

 

 

Oh...and as far as this OP questions, number 1 was valid, but the rest was insane. Even I couldn't be arsed LOL

[josephga]

The whole blocked call thing is a safety issue especially for those escorts or masseurs that do incalls from their home. NO one should every take clients in their home from a blocked number. If a person person sets the session up by email it still should be finalized from a unblocked number. Trust is a 2 way street. If a potential massage client doesn't trust me to be discrete with their phone number then I don't wish to have their business.

[seaboy4hire]

Playing devil's advocate again:

 

There's a fine line between stating what you want and insulting your escort. The hottest escort generally will become insulted having to repeat the information that was in their ad. Once insulted, you can be sure you won't have a good time. =)

 

I repeat: "The educated, serious client, I believe, will contact the escort already knowing what they want, that the escort can deliver what they want, and are calling to make an appointment."

 

First I know I am not the hottest escort or one of the hottest escorts but personally I don't mind if a client has a question on something in one of my profiles, my website or something I've posted on here. I'd rather meet up with someone who I feel confident enough that we are both on the same page. Plus some guys offer services in the sm and bd fileds. Those offering and seeking this type of specialty service need to have full and open communication going for safety and trust sake. Without both safety and trust this type of encounter can lead to a very unhappy encounter or a very painful in a bad way encounter that could lead to serious medical issues. So I'd rather have full open communication with the guys that I see and I hope they realize that. If an escort can't be bothered answering a question even for the zillionth time maybe it is time for a break.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[Boston Guy]

Text messages are far too time consuming and distracting while driving. I've spent 20-30 minutes typing back and forth 4 messages which could be handled in a 2-3 minute phone conversation. I've only had 2 bookings come out of a blocked number in 2 years...thats out of billions of them. So Im not inclined to answer them

 

I think those policies are reasonable -- so long as an escort provides some reasonably easy way to contact them that doesn't force the client to provide personally identifying information before the very first question is even asked.

 

Not exactly. I think it may be translated that text tennis is too time consuming and tedious to be used as a mode of contact for a public ad, blocked numbers never add up to anything (and dangerous if we cant track the person if something bad happens).

 

An escort in LA told me that he would not accept a phone call from my hotel, even if he knew what time the call would be placed, Nor would he place a call to me at the hotel, verifying that I was in the room I claimed to be in. The first time I encountered this, I gave in and called from my unblocked cell number. The guy turned out to be one of the "less than five" bad experiences I've had in my life and, worse, proceeded to call and text me at all sorts of odd times over the next four months, often several times a day, trying to get me to set up a next meeting. I chose to answer none of those messages and he evidently finally got the message. I've had other escorts answer an initial email with a requirement that I must call them from an unblocked cell phone. It will be a very, very long time before I choose to call an escort from my unblocked cell phone prior to some other communication that makes me believe that the person is reasonable and sane.

 

Me too. Which is why for business I have a separate phone. T-Mobil, Sprint, and Verizon are just a few who carry re-fill phones. Non-commital, easy to switch on and off are what they all have in common.

 

Sure, that's sensible -- for escorts. As a client, am I supposed to drag along another cell phone with me on the odd chance that I'll decide to contact an escort?

 

If an escort is unwilling to receive a call from me in my hotel room or call me there and insists that I call from my personal, unblocked cell phone, I'm moving on. There are just too many guys out there with more reasonable policies.

[Epigonos]

I am about to repeat what I have stated innumerable times on this forum. If what we do in private might destroy our lives, if made public, we damn well better not be doing it. Just look at what has happened, recently, to countless politicians and even some film and television personalities. There was a time in my life when if the fact that I hired escorts became public I might well have lost both my job and my pension. Thus I didn’t hire escorts. Now that I am retired having my escort hiring made public might be embarrassing and hurtful to my family – it would NOT, however, destroy my life, therefore I hire escorts with abandon.

 

Over the last eight years I have hire so many escorts I have lost count. All have been well reviewed on this site. My initial contact with all of these guys has been by email and my REAL first and last names are a part of my email address. In this first email I ask if he is interested in getting together for lunch or dinner (his choice) and a couple of hours of play time and if so what his fee would be. If after this first email contact the prospect for a meeting appear likely I email the escort a complete description of myself including my age, height, weight, physical condition, and sexual likes and dislikes. I add that if these facts are acceptable to him then email me and I will give him a telephone call. If he responds positively (thus far only one escort failed to respond) I telephone him. At that time we set up an appointment and I provide him with both my home telephone number and my cell phone number. I agree that living alone makes giving him my home telephone number easier. NOT ONCE HAVE I EVER HAD AN ESCORT USE ANY OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION INAPPORIATELY.

[Guest LeoWalker]

I'm glad you're posting here and am not implying any criticism at all of you. I simply picked up on your statement because of the counterpoint between it and the previous one. I look forward to reading more of your posts in the future and recognize that my comments reflect only the experience of a single client.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Ultimately, I always think it goes back to chemistry. Two people can stand in front of you, say the exact same thing, and one will insult you whereas you'll think the other is cute. It's not so much what is said or how it's even said as much as who's saying it. With that in mind, it's my goal to get the client in person as soon as possible...because in my experience of meeting people, it's the only way to accurately judge chemistry; phone, email, txt...way too impersonal to pick up on any true chemistry. You're only judging from a superficial professional stand-point. That cute college kid who never answers your emails or gets back to you too quickly on the phone because he's in class...well...it's ok, because he's cute. People will give leeway with huge bias. I only hope to find the ones who appreciate me for who I am...and find me cute.

[Gar1eth]

if the escort business is anything like my massage business was the best clients are the ones that ask the least questions they have took the time read the web site know your rates what you offer.

 

Joseph,

 

The problem with this attitude--and possibly it is more prevalent in the escort rather than the massage worlds--is that ads often--hmm--how do I say this to be polite--well I guess ads are often given to "gross exaggerations" and pictures that while once might have been accurate-but are now several milkshakes ago.

 

I once met with an escort--for a weekend no less--who conveniently forgot to mention he was straight beforehand. He also had just about every activity that could possibly be checked on his Rentboy stat card--but when I tried to proceed with deep kissing which he had said he was in to--he said he didn't do that. I asked about his stat card--he said someone told him to check everything because it would get him more calls from clients.

 

So if every ad were 100% true in all particulars--possibly questions wouldn't be required--but still there is something to be said for having a conversation with the guy beforehand--sometimes you can get a feeling of whether the 2 of you would or would not be compatible in spite of how great the ad seems.

 

Gman

[JoeyBryant]

As a client, am I supposed to drag along another cell phone with me on the odd chance that I'll decide to contact an escort?

 

You have posted here nearly a 'ton' of times...I doubt you'd be waiting til the next total eclipse to have some company If that is the case, those phones can remain dormant for a period of 90-120 days before they are de-activated for good.

 

As far as emails, I actually look forward to checking them everyday and responding to someone. However, one site I refuse to post an email on is craigslist. I feel bad as I understand some clients prefer the initial email inquirie, but thats the only site I wont use email. Spam and timewasters. They've recently come out with the 'hide email' option and Im a bit more inclined to use it...

[josephga]

Joseph,

 

The problem with this attitude--and possibly it is more prevalent in the escort rather than the massage worlds--is that ads often--hmm--how do I say this to be polite--well I guess ads are often given to "gross exaggerations" and pictures that while once might have been accurate-but are now several milkshakes ago.

 

I once met with an escort--for a weekend no less--who conveniently forgot to mention he was straight beforehand. He also had just about every activity that could possibly be checked on his Rentboy stat card--but when I tried to proceed with deep kissing which he had said he was in to--he said he didn't do that. I asked about his stat card--he said someone told him to check everything because it would get him more calls from clients.

 

So if every ad were 100% true in all particulars--possibly questions wouldn't be required--but still there is something to be said for having a conversation with the guy beforehand--sometimes you can get a feeling of whether the 2 of you would or would not be compatible in spite of how great the ad seems.

 

Gman

 

 

I see your point in 11 years I never had a potential massage client ask me if my pics were recent or how old were they? number one and two question I got was is their a table is there a release? Id answer the first question but not the second.

[+ Axiom2001]

Hello Gents:

 

While in LA. an escort made me go through an entire screening process.

1)Wanted Full Name

2)Wanted place of employment

3)Wanted phone # or switchboard to verify I really worked there

4) When I got to hotel wanted me to leave my Drivers License with prrof of insurance on bathroom counter.

 

This was too much for me as I am a married man!

 

Anyone else had to go through such straints to see a hot stud?

 

Web Daddy

 

If I had been put in the position in which you found yourself, I would have given my first name and nothing else. If the escort insisted, I would perhaps have been nice and merely said a mere goodbye, or depending on my mood, I would have used a few "choice" and salient words and hung up.

[+ Axiom2001]

Those questions if they are going to be asked at all should be asked at the time the appointment is made. If they are asked when you get to the appointment they should be answered with two words. "Fuck Off".

 

Edward, I like your response. That is exactly what I'd do if found in such a situation!

 

I haven't had any difficulties with an escort who's wanted an inordinate amount of 411 from me unless it has happened naturally and mutually during our conversation.

[Kevin Slater]

I wonder how many dentists, hair cutters, repair shops or restaurants would make a reservation without getting a callback number. Like escorts, they are trying to run a professional business and need to know the customer is somewhat wed to the booking, and to be able to contact him should something come up. I say it would be unprofessional of me to accept a booking without that.

 

That's not to say that he has to be willing to give it. This thread is replete with posters who have had great experiences with escorts who don't require a real number, so that option does exist. But it's certainly not unreasonable that the majority of escorts do seem to want a number. No matter how many escort/client interactions you might have had, be sure that the escorts posting to this board have had many, many more. We are in the position to state that supposed clients not willing to give out a contact number tend to ask dozens of questions, often set up a booking, and then tend not to show. Part of the sales equation is indeed to provide information to prospective clients. Another part is to qualify the lead. If asking for a phone number weeds out the bulk of the window shoppers (or worse), that's a perfectly valid business decision, and one from which the client can easily decline, no harm no foul.

 

I understand that you know you're serious when you contact an escort. Please appreciate when we say that for every you out there, there are many less sincere guys, and it can be emotionally taxing to engage each equally when we don't know into which camp he falls. It's not about being callous, it's about keeping from getting so and ensuring a fresh and sincere interest in the clients with whom this all actually works out.

 

Kevin Slater

[Boston Guy]

Kevin,

 

Well stated, and I appreciate your perspective.

 

I've never, ever objected to giving an escort a phone number and wonder why the practice of asking to call a prospective client in his hotel room -- so common ten years ago -- seems to have slipped by the wayside somewhat. It seems sensible to me, since it not only verifies that the client is able to answer a phone and willing to do so but also his exact physical location, namely the hotel and room that he said he was in.

 

My objection comes from being told that I must call from a personal cell phone and reveal that number before I have any idea if I'm even at all interested. I have much less objection to calling from my cell phone if I've had a reasonable email exchange before the call and fairly often give someone my cell number after an email or two without having been asked to.

[Guest endoman31]

If you use a land line to make the appointment he has your phone number. With reverse lookup he gets your address. That also gives him who else is listed at that number.

 

If he asked for your social security number you would not give it. So don't give more.

 

The other day I went to a 'house' and the 'madam' discussed that he did not expect me.....I had used a land line for the appointment and the cell for them to open the door. The male 'madam' was in the next room protectiong his merchandise.

 

Tommy, recently reviewed, was upset with the reviewer who in turn was upset that there was a third guy there. I remember meeting Tony for the first time, in the last century. His housemate was with him. Tony and I went upstairs and the third man stayed down.

 

Each time I met with Tony I was positive that the third man was around. Around for Tony's protection.

 

We have to accept that escorts get hurt, and sometimes more. That is why hotels are better than homes. The visitor always gets to leave. the occupant can always get hurt or worse. We have had very little 'news' of incidents recently, but I am sure that it still goes on.

 

I remember back a halfcentury when a guy was murdered for lack of a cigarette for his assailant.

 

Enough said!