Kyle Gibson in LA

[damerel]

Thanks Gman! I hope someday we do get to play. Maybe with a third...who bottoms! :-)

 

 

I call bottom!

[Boston Guy]

Kyle Gibson has been escorting in LA for a long time. He has undoubtedly aged, even though his pictures have not.

 

Regarding being a first-timer: nervousness is too be expected. If I had been able to offer you advice in advance of your meeting, I'd have recommended that you do things differently.

 

First, I would have recommended a different escort. Second, I'd have recommended that you consider the one or two things that you'd like to get out of the encounter. Third, I'd have strongly suggested that you relax about the whole thing and look at it as nothing more than a way to have a bit of fun.

 

Short of being mugged or robbed or injured, there should be nothing at all about getting together with an escort that could come under the heading of "traumatic". If it seems to have been traumatic to you then one of two things must be true: (1) you had a much worse time than you described, or (2) you went into this experience with completely unrealistic expectations. My vote is on the latter, for it's entirely common among clients who hire an escort for the first time.

 

Next time, get some help choosing an escort, if needed but choose a better escort. Then relax about it, communicate ahead of time with the escort exactly what you are looking for (in less than 50 words and preferably less than 25! LOL), relax, enjoy your time with the escort, relax, have some fun, relax, and just enjoy meeting a guy who is probably interesting in one way or another.

 

Getting together with an escort is a simple thing. Don't make it complicated and don't overladen the experience with emotion and overwrought feelings. If you look at it as a way to have fun with very few strings attached and go into it with a relaxed attitude, you'll have fun virtually every time. Just choose your escorts better.

 

Good luck next time. I suspect you'll have more fun next time because you'll have a better idea how to better manage the whole experience.

 

BG

[+ bigjoey]

for the first time, i would suggest using one of the known agencies if you are in one of the cities that have them. the known agencies have reliable men who will show up on time and be as advertised. the agency might be easier to talk to than an escort directly ("i want a man who will do the following...." as opposed to asking a man directly: "do you suck cock, will you rim my ass...."); sometimes it sounds a little crude when asking a man directly about sex. if you tell the agancy exactly what you want not only in the way of sex, but physical description, behavior (not a smoker), etc., they can save you the time of searching for all the information.

 

while the agency might be a bit more money, the cost is often marginal and if you consider the elimination of the risk factor of a no-show, not meeting your expectations, etc., it could easily pay for itself.

[firsttimer]

Thanks for the advice Boston Guy. I wish I would have know earlier. I agree that a lot of it was anxiety about what to expect for my first time.

 

Bigjoey, what are the big agencies in Chicago? I seems like there aren't many choices here in the Windy City. I know places like NYC have Maximum (sp?) and I remember emailing them to see if they knew of agencies in Chicago which they said they didn't know.

[JT Brooklyn]

New Thread Time

 

Thanks for the advice Boston Guy. I wish I would have know earlier. I agree that a lot of it was anxiety about what to expect for my first time.

 

Bigjoey, what are the big agencies in Chicago? I seems like there aren't many choices here in the Windy City. I know places like NYC have Maximum (sp?) and I remember emailing them to see if they knew of agencies in Chicago which they said they didn't know.

 

First Timer..I'm thinking now is the Time for you to start A NEW THREAD. As this Thread "Kyle Gibson LA" has run its course. Just a Suggestion..

[Boston Guy]

Question from a PM

 

I received the following question in my inbox this morning:

 

I am a newbie also. I have also been turned on by Kyle's pictures. Why would you recommend a different escort? Any recommendations.

 

Thanks for any tips you will give me.

The question is clearly in reference to my post in this thread, in which I said that I'd have recommended a different escort than Kyle Gibson for someone who was looking for an escort for the first time. Rather than answer it in a PM, I responded to the person who asked the question that I would answer it in the context of this thread.

 

Kyle Gibson is another escort who is an example of a "known" escort: he has a well-known escort name and a well-known escort persona. That's not a negative in and of itself but it's a clue to what you're going to get.

 

When someone is looking for an escort, there are many ways to find someone and many types of escort to look for. For example:

 

1. Call an escort agency
   
2. Look for a well-known escort who's advertised on a site like Rentboy for a long time
   
3. Use recommendations from a site like this one
   
4. Choose someone who has been reviewed on this or other sites
   
5. Use a personal recommendation from a trusted friend
   
6. Use a personal recommendation from an escort who knows you well
   
7. Search Rentboy, M4RN, etc. for someone who tickles your fancy and just go for it
   
8. Search Craig's List for someone
   
9. Look for a masseur, through one of the above methods or through one of the masseur sites, and then hope that they'll agree to more than just massage
   
10. Help the young carpenter who's working for you understand that he might be able to make a LOT more money
    

OK, the last one is sort of in jest, although it happens far more than one might imagine. But I just came up with that list in 30 seconds and there are a million variations on each theme. Some will tell you that the only way to get a reliable escort is to do this or do that and that one should only go with well-known and well-reviewed escorts or whatever. Well, that's hooey. Any of the methods I just wrote down can easily lead to a good escort who's fun to be with and who won't rip you off or cause you mental or physical anguish.

 

For every reason that I wrote down, I could come up with a reason not to follow that method. For example, following the same order as the list I just wrote:

 

1. You want your information kept as private as possible and don't want to share this particularly personal thing with any kind of agency.
   
2. Rentboy escorts aren't available in many areas, especially small towns and even medium-sized cities.
   
3. You may not be able to find any recommendations for someone who's available where you are.
   
4. There may be no one reviewed here or elsewhere who is in the area you want to meet someone. More importantly, what you want and what someone else wants may not be at all the same, so someone who has reviewed an escort may turn you off as escort who would be great for you. And escort reviews are nothing if not biased. There's value to them, I think, in terms of getting factual data (he charged me this, he came late, he is older than advertised, he's 30 lbs. heavier) but I disregard virtually everything else in a review.
   
5. You may not have any trusted friends who hire escorts.
   
6. You may not have any escorts who you trust or who know escorts who will be available to you on your trip to southern Missouri.
   
7. You see so many guys in Rentboy, M4RN, etc. that you don't know how to choose.
   
8. CL may not have anyone. Or they may all seem to be scam artists.
   
9. Many masseurs are very clear about their limits. When they are, those limits should be respected. Treat escorts and masseurs with respect in general or don't expect to be treated with respect yourself.
   
10. You may not have yet found the right carpenter.
    

Some people swear by one method or another and will sometimes insist that you should only do it this way or that. If they've found methods that work for them, that's a good thing and it's always good to listen to others. But I've hired guys using every single method I've listed (including the carpenter ) and I've hardly ever had a bad time over about a dozen years of hiring escorts.

 

Some ways of finding an escort do have advantages. You're unlikely to get mugged by an escort from an agency. But you're likely to pay more and, no matter what they say, your personal information is now stored someplace else. With CL, you'll pay less -- almost every time -- but you really do have to be careful to sort out the flakes and the guys who are dangerous. There are ways to do that but you need to be a bit more careful.

 

Which brings me round to Kyle Gibson, who has been around himself more than a few times. As I mentioned above, he's an example of a "name" escort. When hiring an escort who's been around for a while, established an escort or porn name and gotten a reputation attached to that name, you can know for sure that you're not hiring a guy who is just starting out and enthusiastic as hell about the whole process.

 

KG has been escorting in the LA area for years. His pictures haven't really changed over that time, which is another clue: he's aging over the years, just like the rest of us. But I don't even need to look up his ad to be able to visualize a couple of the pics that I'm dead certain I'll find on his escort page, because he's used them for a long time.

 

There's nothing wrong with hiring an escort who's been around. For a first-time client, that can be a very good thing since you don't have a situation where both the escort and the client are trying to figure things out. But the good escorts who have been around provided updated photos and are honest about who they are.

 

Another problem with the aging "name" escorts is that they've been there and done that so many times that they get tired and unenthusiastic about the whole process. It becomes a job and a client is just one more guy in a very long string of guys. The experience that the OP had is not untypical or surprising to me at all: many guys who have been out there for a while have lost all sense of who they are and how much value they bring to a client, often because have been told about 1000 times how wonderful they are by fawning clients. So they often become jaded, arrogant and unreasonable. As you may have guessed, I tend to ignore them and choose guys who are more likely to be fun to be with.

 

I far prefer to meet guys who are fun, bright, interesting and who escort on the side rather than as a profession. They may not be as experienced as the other kind of escort but being with them is often more like being with a friend. These are guys who are often unknown, anonymous and unreviewed -- and who want very much to stay that way.

 

Over the years, finding the non-professional escort has generally produced a better experience for me (often far better) than hiring known escorts. I've hired some guys over a period of several years and I still occasionally get together with a guy in LA who I first hired in 1999. He doesn't escort any more, except when I call him. When we get together, it's like two old friends getting together because we have a long and varied shared history. That's nice.

 

In the end, how you find an escort is going to depend a great deal on where you want to hire someone. The options available in LA or NYC are boundless while the options available in Topeka are far more restricted and if you're in Albany you might -- might -- find one or two guys around. When there aren't a lot of guys, you have to adjust your expectations. And, in the end, that's what it's ALL about: expectations.

 

If you hire someone with the expectation that you're going to meet the love of your life, you're going to be disappointed. If you hire someone expecting a God because you've been dreaming about doing this for the last ten years, you're going to be disappointed. If you hire someone expecting them to live up to some reputation that they've established through glowing reviews, you may well be disappointed.

 

On the other hand, if you approach hiring an escort as an opportunity to meet someone interesting and have some fun, then you're more likely to have some fun. Be easy to meet, be as easy to communicate with as you want the escort to be, be flexible (especially regarding time) and recognize that stuff happens all the time. Escorts who are traveling to meet you will get stuck in traffic and may show up late. I tell guys that I understand that they may be running late, because it happens to us all, and if it happens then just shoot me an update to let me know.

 

If you have a list of things that must happen when you get together with an escort, you're going to be disappointed. Escorts aren't machines. They are often the younger versions of ourselves, people who deserve respect and who will respond to kindness, humor and flexibility just as much as anyone else. Be nice. Be pleased if you spend an hour with someone and it's fun. Lower your expectations, drop most of your rules, be easy and fun to be with and you'll find that hiring an escort can be a blast.

 

But just don't forget that clients, like escorts, need to be aware of personal safety.

[firsttimer]

First Timer..I'm thinking now is the Time for you to start A NEW THREAD. As this Thread "Kyle Gibson LA" has run its course. Just a Suggestion..

 

Lol. Okay I will do so now. Thanks for the suggestion as I'm new to the boards and don't know when a thread should properly be ended.

[firsttimer]

Thanks for such an extensive reply with many thoughtful pieves of advice. The carpenter idea sounds very interesting although I think probably the least pausible out of them all lol

 

We should sticky just your reply as I think it'd be useful for anyone like me who is new to this all and needs advice before jumping in with idealistic expectations.

 

I'm going to start another thread about one question I have for you about how you think the best way would be to find someone who is a "nonprofessional" escort whom you talk about having better experiences with. The usual Craig's List is not panning out here.

 

Over the years, finding the non-professional escort has generally produced a better experience for me (often far better) than hiring known escorts. I've hired some guys over a period of several years and I still occasionally get together with a guy in LA who I first hired in 1999. He doesn't escort any more, except when I call him. When we get together, it's like two old friends getting together because we have a long and varied shared history. That's nice.

[+ goosh69]

Posted these on another thread but they relate to this so:

 

#1) "I have never met Kyle, but I must have emailed/texted/called him ten times each, and is rather flaky when it comes to seeing new customers. All sorts of dates/times came and went with him as a no-show. I am sure he is great to his regulars, but good look if not."

 

#2) "...ok, a follow up to my above post. He was a no-show AGAIN today, after like 20 texts back and forth, INCLUDING him asking me to describe in detail what I want to do with him sexually. An EXTREME flake if you ask me. I am sure many of the positive reviews are true, but this guy yanked my chain from 4 Pm to 1:30 AM, constantly pushing when he'd come (or as he said "cum") over later and later, and he obviously never showed up. AGAIN.

 

He sounds to me like he WAS great, and now he just does not really care enough to even show up if he does not feel like it - for me and apparently others."

[Edward]

I have been with Kyle twice. Run don't walk in the oppoisite direction. Physically he is a football player jock type. He is handsome. His pictures are not him and are of a much younger guy. Kyle is into game playing and control. He is interested in what he wants and his fee. He is not really interested in what the client wants or needs. Top that off with a big ego and an attitude of entitlement.

[robberbaron4u]

By his representation to me, the loss of his automobile has created a "transportation" problem for him; however, he does receive clients in his apartment. I would not judge him to be an "extreme flake", but a man beset by many personal issues, some arising from the "business", which have impacted, negatively, upon him and his ability to "cope" with life.