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[KMEM]

Alan-

 

I doubt whatever I say will put any of this to rest but I will continue to add my 2 cents.

 

BN admitted to plagiarism and apoligized for it both publically and privately to any who were involved to include the original authors.

 

Skrubber seems to have an unique ability to skew things away from the point. However, I do not know the man and he can defend himself as and when he chooses to do so.

 

The moderators and Daddy have not allowed any "proof" of arrests, etc. to be presented on this MB. Their stated opinion is that there is no "public" link between an escort's stage name and his real name; therefore they will not allow that kind of information to be presented. As you can well imagine, it would be quite easy to connect the dots between the stage and real names but that would be a form of "outing" not permissible on this MB.

 

Whether Daddy et al are playing favorites is unkown to me.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest alanm]

Reporting on VM

 

Kmem-

 

I really appreciate your thoughtful response.

 

Rackitjock posted above that he heard from Vincent Michael three weeks ago. As you know, most first-rate escorts will give you their real names and phone numbers by the end of the first session.

 

There were rumors of a different kind about another Texas escort (not BN) before you joined this site. I had hired him, and picked up the phone and called -- he readily told me the entire story.

 

Someone will talk to VM, and report back.

 

Alan

[Guest greatness]

Well

 

I don't think it is appropriate to accuse someone as a thief and put a "thief" sign across one's picture. No one is guilty until proven. I would like to say let's give a benefit of doubt until the trial is over if there is one. I truly hope that positive sides of escort business can be accepted by our society so escorts and clients don't have to hide their names and etc. I got blackmailed for being a gay and hiring escorts. Some people look down on me. It is tough enough already for both escorts and clients. Let's accept each other for who we are and be nice to each other. In the end we are all susceptible human beings.

[MiamiLooker]

Alan-

 

I doubt whatever I say will put any of this to rest but I will continue to add my 2 cents.

 

BN admitted to plagiarism and apoligized for it both publically and privately to any who were involved to include the original authors.

 

Could he have done any less?

[wayout]

BN Comment on VM

 

Here is a question I have struggled with and it is somewhat relevant to the discussion here. Assume you have a conversation with an escort and during that conversation it becomes clear that there is some type of behavior of the escort that is either risky or illegal (perhaps willingness to do unsafe sex or doing drugs for example). Then a discussion/thread starts up about this escort that may have some relation to the conversation, directly or indirectly. Is it appropriate to comment on that conversation, especially if there is some feeling that conversations of such nature might be considered confidential by one or both parties? It opens oneself to accusations of slander since it really can't be substantiated or proved, just my word of a conversation I had. It also makes me wonder if I have any right to betray a confidence. But keeping silent seems like it keeps useful information out of the public arena that may be of some help to people. Isn't there a greater good to be gained by letting people know?

[KMEM]

Could he have done any less?

 

I suppose it partially depends upon how you mean this comment. Could he have actually done less or nothing? Of course. Could he have done less and been satisfied that he had stood up to what he had done? No. Could he have done less and satisfied the "general" public? Only the public knows for sure.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[MiamiLooker]

I suppose it partially depends upon how you mean this comment. Could he have actually done less or nothing? Of course. Could he have done less and been satisfied that he had stood up to what he had done? No. Could he have done less and satisfied the "general" public? Only the public knows for sure.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

 

If you're suggesting that he had an option of doing nothing, I doubt that unless he wanted to face the very real possiblity of several lawsuits from the original authors. He only "stood up" after he'd been caught red handed. If he hadn't been caught, there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't still be publishing other people's work as his own. There are several websites that address the issue of plagiarism, and in general, the consequences for the offender (especially if the offender is a journalist) are significantly more than a mere apology. Taking into account his frequently promoting himself as a journalist, the number of plagiarized items, and that the plagiarism was intentional would indicate a consequence of more than just an apology.

[KMEM]

Wayout-

 

You certainly raise an interesting question. This MB encourages one to "tell all" about personal and possible sexual encounters either on a review or on the MB itself. Yet, it tries to insist that except for those who already "know" the person in discussion personally, that "real" personal information be kept private. What anyone's name is, where they live, their personal phone number, etc. are off limits. I certainly have no problem with this concept. It works for clients as well as escorts.

 

To some extent escorts are public figures. Some of them show their faces in public pictures, give out their business phone numbers, etc. How far over the line would it be to discuss arrests, convictions, etc. Those things are published for public consumption elsewhere.

 

However, this site has its' own rules and our choice mainly is to respect them or move on.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[KMEM]

He only "stood up" after he'd been caught red handed. If he hadn't been caught, there's no reason to believe that he wouldn't still be publishing other people's work as his own.

 

A lot of things have been speculated about this person. No one knows for sure what would have transpired IF "other" things had happened, possibly to include his own thoughts.

 

Of course, you have the same right to make speculations as I do.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest greatness]

well

 

If it is a great threat to others I think you should mention it here. I have seen a lot of people doing drugs and it is sad. I think people always use protections whether an escort do unsafe sex or not. There is no safe sex. If a person tries to intentionally infect you with STIs and pushes you to do drugs then it should be certainly reported. However, I think he disclosed his private information on the base you will keep it secret, right? That is a tough thing.

 

 

Here is a question I have struggled with and it is somewhat relevant to the discussion here. Assume you have a conversation with an escort and during that conversation it becomes clear that there is some type of behavior of the escort that is either risky or illegal (perhaps willingness to do unsafe sex or doing drugs for example). Then a discussion/thread starts up about this escort that may have some relation to the conversation, directly or indirectly. Is it appropriate to comment on that conversation, especially if there is some feeling that conversations of such nature might be considered confidential by one or both parties? It opens oneself to accusations of slander since it really can't be substantiated or proved, just my word of a conversation I had. It also makes me wonder if I have any right to betray a confidence. But keeping silent seems like it keeps useful information out of the public arena that may be of some help to people. Isn't there a greater good to be gained by letting people know?

[MiamiLooker]

A lot of things have been speculated about this person. No one knows for sure what would have transpired IF "other" things had happened, possibly to include his own thoughts.

 

Of course, you have the same right to make speculations as I do.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

 

Factoring in free will of choice, even a leopard may be able to change its spots.

[+ Lucky]

Alan-

 

I doubt whatever I say will put any of this to rest but I will continue to add my 2 cents.

 

BN admitted to plagiarism and apoligized for it both publically and privately to any who were involved to include the original authors.

 

Skrubber seems to have an unique ability to skew things away from the point. However, I do not know the man and he can defend himself as and when he chooses to do so.

 

The moderators and Daddy have not allowed any "proof" of arrests, etc. to be presented on this MB. Their stated opinion is that there is no "public" link between an escort's stage name and his real name; therefore they will not allow that kind of information to be presented. As you can well imagine, it would be quite easy to connect the dots between the stage and real names but that would be a form of "outing" not permissible on this MB.

 

Whether Daddy et al are playing favorites is unkown to me.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Yet, ironically, Daddy provides the link to the blogger who is making these allegations.

[KMEM]

ML-

 

I am hoping that you are making a positive statement regarding "leopards" and their ability to improve themselves.

 

Lucky-

 

I am not sure a link implies approval of any or all of the contents of the linked piece. In addition, were any "real" names used?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest alanm]

15 Minutes 6/17/09

 

In many way, the 6/17/09 edition of "15 Minutes" forecast what was coming next. Here's one of Mr. Nicholas' comments from two weeks ago:

 

"A word of warning to the wise: I've got eyes and ears all over this industry, a stable of people who constantly feed me reliable information and I will no longer hesitate to cross that line. There needs to be some degree of accountability, even in a fringe industry like this one, for guys who choose to knowingly endanger their clientele. I'm tired of sitting by the wayside and watching people (some of whom I know personally) get hurt in ways that could alter their lives forever."

 

 

What's chilling about the paragraph is the phrase "reliable information." As Kmem has posted, Daddy and the moderators are very careful about what is posted on this site as it pertains to

alleged illegal activities by escorts.

 

Even Mr. Nicholas' strongest supporters may very well have concerns about Benjamin Nicholas deciding what is "reliable information" and what is not.

[+ glutes]

 

Even Mr. Nicholas' strongest supporters may very well have concerns about Benjamin Nicholas deciding what is "reliable information" and what is not.

 

You hit it right on the head, and well said alanm.

[Guest greatness]

Well

 

Everybody pays a price for what one does and it will surface soon or later no matter what. I think people simply forget this simple common sense and destroy their lives. If you commit a crime, you will be caught soon or later. If you do something harmful to your body, it will damage your body in the end. If people do not buy drugs then there is no need for a drug pusher. If clients don't do bareback then there will be no demand for barebacking escorts. Why do escorts have to be criticized and threatened for those kinds of things and not clients? Then clients who use drugs and ask escorts to perform bareback should be equally criticized and reported here too to be fair. Clients who do not consider escorts' health will also get sick because what goes around and comes around. Clients who do drugs will do drugs whether there is a drug pusher or not. Clients will do bareback with someone whether they do it with a certain escort or not. They will eventually pay the price for their stupid actions. You think HIV is scary. How about other STDs like HPV or Herpes.

Most escorts I have met were clean cut and don't do drugs. They were good quality escorts. They retired very fast though.

It became a rant but my point is that both clients and escorts should take care of themselves and others. I usually send back escorts who do drugs right away. I do paid them the rate confirmed to them because they travelled to see me and it is unfair to send them with empty hands when they can be on another appointment. I had to run away once though without paying because I was really scared. If an escort or client tries to kill someone or intentionally infect someone with a disease and trick someone to take drugs, that kind of things should be reported here and get that person prosecuted. However, when a client enjoys these things and later complain about an escort or spread gossip to other escorts and clients is just so sad. It is like Beverly in Will and Grace. He enjoys gay sex and is gay but despises it in front of others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"A word of warning to the wise: I've got eyes and ears all over this industry, a stable of people who constantly feed me reliable information and I will no longer hesitate to cross that line. There needs to be some degree of accountability, even in a fringe industry like this one, for guys who choose to knowingly endanger their clientele. I'm tired of sitting by the wayside and watching people (some of whom I know personally) get hurt in ways that could alter their lives forever."

[MiamiLooker]

Even Mr. Nicholas' strongest supporters may very well have concerns about Benjamin Nicholas deciding what is "reliable information" and what is not.

 

I believe you grossly underestimate their ability to rationalize anything BN does.

[KMEM]

I believe you grossly underestimate their ability to rationalize anything BN does.

 

Apparently, neither "side" is always completely rational regarding BN. And, there is little doubt which side you are on, is there?

 

I suppose since time began mankind has needed someone to blame or be a target or an excuse to divert attention from their own inadequacies to possible ones of others. I am sure some cave man got pissed off when another threw a rock prematurely and scared off dinner.

 

BN doesn't even post on this MB any more. So, any commenters, detractors or admirers, have to go elsewhere for their fodder and then bring it back here. Oh, well, such is life, I suppose.

 

So, bring it on. There doesn't seem to be any lack of responders, pro or con.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[MsGuy]

Everybody here deserves a round of applause. For the first time since I first began lurking here, the board has sustained a BN thread for 43 posts (plus some spillover into adjacent threads) w/o going into total meltdown. Keep up the good work!

[+ sf westcoaster]

Wouldn't it be nice if we never had another BN thread. He would then have to find another source of merchandising.

[Bart]

I believe this is one of those times where it is appropriate to discuss the BN 15 minutes. Some serious accusations were leveled in that article that involve working reviewed escorts.

 

I am disappointed if in fact there is an accusation against VM but no link provided to that probe in his article. I reliaze the escorts privacy is of importance, protection of clients is also important. It is not up to us to be judge and jury but we should be provided with direct information when an accusation is leveled of this seriousness.

 

BN's tabloidish approach tends sensationalize things whether appropriate or not. Which leads one to dismiss his accusations rather than pursue them. Therefore, this site has provided much for BN, I dont think it would be a stretch for him to come on the site and issue a clear statement on the subject. To be honest I think he has little to loose here and in fact would gain some credance with some verifiable information.

 

As to information received during meetings with an escort of dangerous illegal activities why should they be protected. To be honest why not discuss it with Daddy and then make a decision. I do not think you would be happy if a client walked into a situation with an escort who was doing drugs and other activities. Secondly the escort as well may wish to discuss this with Daddy if he has a known posted with illegal acitivites and decide and appropriate course of action. I think the same could be said of BN.

[KMEM]

Bart-

 

Without picking on you, did you read any previous posts about these issues? Daddy doesn't allow naming names and providing direct information, so whether BN should or should not post on this MB is somewhat besides the point.

 

If you think he should provide more information on his blog, why not write him and ask for same?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[MiamiLooker]

Apparently, neither "side" is always completely rational regarding BN. And, there is little doubt which side you are on, is there?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

 

I suppose I'm on the side that expects he should hold himself up to the same accountablity as his peers. His admission was nothing more than excuses. Did he admit to anything that wasn't already known? The leopard had a perfect opportunity to change his spots, he just didn't take advantage of it.

[Guest TNT Ted]

JFC, Miami, will you just let this thread die, please?

[Guest alanm]

Contentious threads

 

TNT Miami,

 

You registered here in 2005, so must be aware that this site has had many contentious threads over the years concerning many subects, not just Benjamin Nicholas.

 

Yes, the last months have have been relatively calm and very enjoyable, with only a few Benjamin Nicholas threads once in a while.

 

Daddy and the moderators do not always provide a link to the newest edition of 15 Minutes -- that has helped. Lucky has been a real leader in making this message board a more friendly place. Rick Munroe has been a significant leader also, with witty comments at just the right time.

 

If your expectations are that people are always going to agree, or we can just talk about which escorts are new and really great, good luck.

You are going to need it.