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Oh Puhleaze!

 

Now you can return to your regular activities, like sending threatening anonymous emails to your fellow escorts ... ;)

 

Cheers,[/color]

 

Oh, come now dear Mr. Draker. My "regular actvities"? I hardly think one time constitutes "regular". To me "regular" implies a daily occurence such as relieving oneself of excrement.

 

And as to the "threatening" nature of that email, by all means, you have my permission to post it in it's entirety for all here to judge how "threatening" it was & then we shall see who is being "thin-skinned or "overly sensitive".

 

"Cheers" ;)

 

And trust & believe my humor is alive & well & very much intact as many here can attest. As evidenced by the laughable posts you regale us with "regularly". Not that's some funny shit. Xoxo

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Wow...

 

I just reread my original post and not sure how we got from there to here.......

 

Seriously.

 

The original intent of my post was to tell you all that Justice had retired and that my big event wasn't coming off as planned. Did I really badger him? Or say anything mean about him? No, I pretty much waxed nostalgic about what a great escort he was and how much I am going to miss him.

 

Now, I did say that the way he handled this cancellation was unprofessional and it really was. No, he did not leave me standing at the airport calling his name, but he did cancel a long standing appt that involved another client and a couple of other out of town guests.... that he was ALL about doing two weeks ago.... This isn't $300 bucks, sorry I can't make it. Do the math..... this was two escorts for two nights and then two more for one.... fees, airfare, meals, rental car, hotel..... poppers... and then to have one of your leads walk out for no good reason..... and I KNOW the reason and it ain't good..... it could have waited three weeks.... And no, there was no contract..... but a $500 plane ticket is my way of sealing the deal.... and there was no mention of reimbursement.

 

And yes, it was for personal reasons.... but it wasn't a death in the family or a car wreck or cancer.... No, he made a personal decision, instead of a business one. What he should have done was honor his existing appts and then just taken down his ads and slow fade to black.... like Reece did. Classy.

 

But I am NOT mad about it. I wish the man the absolute best. He really, really deserves it. I was very lucky to have seen him in action...... and yes, I am lucky to have the dvds to remember him by.

 

And you know, guys, that plane ticket is good for a year. A fact, of which, he is very well aware.....hmmmmm.

 

Will be interesting to see how long eating pussy in Peoria for free as opposed to getting rimmed ( etc, etc , etc, !!!!!!!! ) in OKC for serious money works for him.

 

Time will, undoubtedly, tell.

 

Okie

 

PS..

 

Andrewd.... put the wheels back under your house???? Made me laugh out loud.

 

Bart... somewhere?

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I hear that it does wonders for the skin. ;)

 

http://www.tail-waggers.com/images/dogs/toys/chill_pill.jpg

 

Hey buddy, the chill pill is a special one "made in Belgium", it has some liquid nitrogen inside! ;) :D

 

Cheers,

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I patiently waited to contribute to this topic particularly when I saw it devolving. This thread reminds me of the reason why I disappeared from this board last year, and maybe it's time to take another break. I dunno.

 

I am the other client in Okie's fuckfest who is disappointed by AJ's cancellation and retirement. I am sad also that I will never again taste that bod, that butt, and that dick again. AJ is a rare physical specimen; few of his caliber have passed through the village of Hoo in the 9 years that I have been hiring. BUT, there is more to the total escort experience than his physical appearance, and these aspects must be reported as well. Does he plan well? Does he manage the details of the travel arrangements and honor specific requests of the client? Does he conduct himself in public to the satisfaction of the client (whether the client wants discretion or a guy on his arm with a fuck y'all attitude)? And in at least one of these aspects AJ was not a perfect man. Nor am I, nor are any of you men and assorted others.

 

Some of you guys challenge me to be a better man because of your understanding nature. But I wonder if your perspective would be the same if it was your money that was thrown away on a ticket that may never be used for the client(s) benefit. I assume he can use it for another trip for himself one day; that would be salt in the wound for sure. Because of Okie's agreement with me, I am on the hook for half of the expenses. This development disappoints me but surely won't break me financially, yet it is now the second time that I have I laid out cash on airfare for this particular escort that will not be used for the benefit of the client. It's a long story slowly receding into the forgetfulness of my fading memory. My comment takes nothing away from his appearance or his performance with me when we met earlier this year, but there are other considerations in these transactions than the actual meeting.

 

And as for my friend Okie, I have to say that his post was classy, very reserved on his criticism, very complimentary in his praise of AJ, and just shared his lament that a great one was leaving our little village. I know the details of what happened; there is more to the story. I will not air it because Okie has chosen not to air it, but he is a man of his word; which I cannot say that about many men these days.

 

You are a classy guy, Okie, and I'm still looking forward to our fun-filled fuckfest on the fourth. Three studs are committed to come and haven't bailed on us, and with some good fortune, we may be able to lock in another guy early this week. So all in all, we will be in good company, and this episode will be soon forgotten when the action heats up in OKC, as we celebrate our nation's independence. :)

 

Who knows this weekend with Okie could be so awesome that I realize it will never get any better and I just finish up my hiring career now??? Of course, just when I begin to think that way, another fresh face shows up in Hooville, and the emails begin to fly.........hehehehe ;)

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Okie

 

I understand your frustration and disappointment. I do hope that you are telling the story objectively. I was told that you didn't want a reimbursement and the ticket here is a left over ticket from a cancellation 2 months ago. I will reimburse your plane ticket if above statement is not true. I tend to believe in Andrew. What is your side of the story?

 

 

 

 

Yep, boys, he has "retired for the time being"...

 

Could be really shitty about it.... and would have a couple of days ago, but what's the point in that now?? Just letting you all know since I have gone on and on about this meeting...

 

This last act was totally unprofessional and unexpected....and I (and David) have told him so, but as disappointed as I am, for reasons too numerous to list, it really doesn't change all the great times before....

 

Everything I ever said about him was the absolute truth...

 

To me, he was Marco Feretti, Jim Slade, Kent Larson, Jason Branch..... he and David together were certainly something to see...epic.

 

Very grateful to have been in that moment with them and yeah, kind of sad that he has left his true calling. The man was incredibly gifted... obviously physically, but also with his crazy, nasty, wiling and eager, "let's just fuck.... I wanted to fuck Ty" attitude.

 

You do this as long as I have and you rim a lot of toads.... and it was worth it, to get to an ass as good as that one....

 

But, no worries, boys, David will be fucking on the 4th and you all know it won't be me...

 

Okie

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Who's Next?

 

I just reread my original post and not sure how we got from there to here.......

 

Seriously.

 

The original intent of my post was to tell you all that Justice had retired and that my big event wasn't coming off as planned. Did I really badger him? Or say anything mean about him? No, I pretty much waxed nostalgic about what a great escort he was and how much I am going to miss him.

 

Now, I did say that the way he handled this cancellation was unprofessional and it really was. No, he did not leave me standing at the airport calling his name, but he did cancel a long standing appt that involved another client and a couple of other out of town guests.... that he was ALL about doing two weeks ago.... This isn't $300 bucks, sorry I can't make it. Do the math..... this was two escorts for two nights and then two more for one.... fees, airfare, meals, rental car, hotel..... poppers... and then to have one of your leads walk out for no good reason..... and I KNOW the reason and it ain't good..... it could have waited three weeks.... And no, there was no contract..... but a $500 plane ticket is my way of sealing the deal.... and there was no mention of reimbursement.

 

And yes, it was for personal reasons.... but it wasn't a death in the family or a car wreck or cancer.... No, he made a personal decision, instead of a business one. What he should have done was honor his existing appts and then just taken down his ads and slow fade to black.... like Reece did. Classy.

 

But I am NOT mad about it. I wish the man the absolute best. He really, really deserves it. I was very lucky to have seen him in action...... and yes, I am lucky to have the dvds to remember him by.

 

And you know, guys, that plane ticket is good for a year. A fact, of which, he is very well aware.....hmmmmm.

 

Will be interesting to see how long eating pussy in Peoria for free as opposed to getting rimmed ( etc, etc , etc, !!!!!!!! ) in OKC for serious money works for him.

 

Time will, undoubtedly, tell.

 

Okie

 

PS..

 

Andrewd.... put the wheels back under your house???? Made me laugh out loud.

 

Bart... somewhere?

Enjoy your Summer "Lord OKIE" as I am damn sure you will! :D
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Greatness.......

 

At this point, I don't particularly care what you think. I have heard quite a bit about you as well. Hence, the no responses to your private emails and certainly no invitation to join on the 4th. Stay at the clinic, Dr...... you and the others need your rest... and I damned sure don't want your money.

 

Now, what I said to our friend in Peoria was that as a professional he should have at least offered to reimburse me for the ticket.... which he damned sure never did..... but that I didn't want him to because the ticket is good for a year and I am betting that sometime during that time period he is going to realize he has cut his very big dick off to spite his very pretty ass... ie... kkkkilled the golden goose. Probably about the hundredth time, he asks, "You want fries with that???"

 

And fuck, no, that wasn't a left over ticket.... that ticket was used for Memorial Day. I did cancel on him in April when Carreras cancelled on me and I paid him half his fee because I felt so guilty about it.... Did he mention that, Mr From What You've Heard????.... yeah, I mailed him a check that just happened to clear my account the same day that he emailed me to cancel the 4th. I was supposed to give it to him on Memorial Day but I forgot about it and was going to give it to him when he was here in July, but he texted me and asked if he could have it early and not wait until July???? I had promised the man the money and I had no reason, at that point, not to trust him, so I sent it to him. Then, a week later, he cancels on me and my guests.... no mention as yet, about giving that money back, either.... Crazy timing, huh?

 

But that's ok... I don't WANT any of it back.... this isn't about the $$$$$$$.... Andrew Justice is (was?) a fantastic escort.... truly, as good as it gets.... I have no regrets about meeting him and seeing him so often. Crazy as it sounds, after all this bullshit, I would see him again in a heartbeat.... that's why I let him keep the ticket...get it????

 

He's not being falsely accused of anything here. He's not a rip off. He's not a con. He's not evil.... but he most definitely made a bad business decision in this case. Don't hate him. Not planning on sending the dvds to his parents..... (that was last week.....)

 

He was wrong in the way he handled this. That's it. Life goes on. No need to defend him because no one is attacking him....

 

I personally hope that his decision to retire works out for him... I really do.. He is a very sweet guy and he deserves to be happy.... but that doesn't mean I have to love how this all went down. I believe in him, too, but he screwed the pooch big time on this one... that's it.

 

But, happily, I have landed on my back, so to speak. Tongue at the ready. Already found a replacement.....

 

Okie

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That is fine with me

 

I'm sorry for what happened. I am not trying to criticize you or anything. Okie I don't have anything against you. I do hope our misunderstandings can be resolved. We've never met so let's not judge each other. I am not trying to defend Andrew here. Even if it were someone else, I would have done the same. I didn't know your side of story so that's why I asked. Anyways, I hope we can be nice to each other. I truly hope there is no misunderstanding.

 

At this point, I don't particularly care what you think. I have heard quite a bit about you as well. Hence, the no responses to your private emails and certainly no invitation to join on the 4th. Stay at the clinic, Dr...... you and the others need your rest... and I damned sure don't want your money.

 

Now, what I said to our friend in Peoria was that as a professional he should have at least offered to reimburse me for the ticket.... which he damned sure never did..... but that I didn't want him to because the ticket is good for a year and I am betting that sometime during that time period he is going to realize he has cut his very big dick off to spite his very pretty ass... ie... kkkkilled the golden goose. Probably about the hundredth time, he asks, "You want fries with that???"

 

And fuck, no, that wasn't a left over ticket.... that ticket was used for Memorial Day. I did cancel on him in April when Carreras cancelled on me and I paid him half his fee because I felt so guilty about it.... Did he mention that, Mr From What You've Heard????.... yeah, I mailed him a check that just happened to clear my account the same day that he emailed me to cancel the 4th. I was supposed to give it to him on Memorial Day but I forgot about it and was going to give it to him when he was here in July, but he texted me and asked if he could have it early and not wait until July???? I had promised the man the money and I had no reason, at that point, not to trust him, so I sent it to him. Then, a week later, he cancels on me and my guests.... no mention as yet, about giving that money back, either.... Crazy timing, huh?

 

But that's ok... I don't WANT any of it back.... this isn't about the $$$$$$$.... Andrew Justice is (was?) a fantastic escort.... truly, as good as it gets.... I have no regrets about meeting him and seeing him so often. Crazy as it sounds, after all this bullshit, I would see him again in a heartbeat.... that's why I let him keep the ticket...get it????

 

He's not being falsely accused of anything here. He's not a rip off. He's not a con. He's not evil.... but he most definitely made a bad business decision in this case. Don't hate him. Not planning on sending the dvds to his parents..... (that was last week.....)

 

He was wrong in the way he handled this. That's it. Life goes on. No need to defend him because no one is attacking him....

 

I personally hope that his decision to retire works out for him... I really do.. He is a very sweet guy and he deserves to be happy.... but that doesn't mean I have to love how this all went down. I believe in him, too, but he screwed the pooch big time on this one... that's it.

 

But, happily, I have landed on my back, so to speak. Tongue at the ready. Already found a replacement.....

 

Okie

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Well

 

I don't think Steven is trying to bash David here. I respect David a lot and I really think he is a special guy and I don't think Steve meant it that way. Why would Steve say such a thing to a great guy like David??? I am missing something here too?

 

 

On a side note: I hope Steven Draker gets over his obsession with bashing David & "Other Working Guys" (as JT so lovingly references) as it sounds very unhealthy. God "willing" he will let it go & focus on being the best escort he can be. God willing.. Sorry. Not on a self imposed 24 hour restriction. Careful Steven. Glass houses. Enough said. Care to say more?
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For a whole host of reasons I have recently ceased posting on this site. One of those reasons is wonderfully illustrated by this thread. Okliehomo and jawjateck have collectively, over MANY years, hundreds if not thousands of posts here. They have built reputations of honest and integrity. Now because in the process of announcing A.J’s retirement Okliehomo mentioned that Justice’s recent behavior left something to be desired his veracity is questioned by posters who, don’t appear to have a clue about the history and reputation of some regular posters on this site. Just because of Okliehomo’s comment and jawjateck’s support regarding the behavior of a, relatively, new escort who happens to have a handsome face, a good body, a nice cock, and a pretty ass some posters have immediately questioned both Okliehomo’s and jawjateck’s objectivity and integrity. Many of us believe in giving escorts the benefit of doubt under normal circumstances BUT this, because of the long time credibility of BOTH Okliehomo and jawjateck DOES NOT HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCE.

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I didn't mean to criticize anyone so please do not take it personally. Andrew stood by me even though he was having a hard time because of me so I tend to believe what Andrew says no matter what. I have some email problems so I guess what I got actually didn't come from Andrew. Thus I officially apologize to Okliehomo for saying that his statement was unfair. I concede that Okliehomo has a point.

 

However, I don't agree with the statement that no one can be challenged because of one's reputation. That kind of thinking gave birth to Bernie Madoff scandal.

 

 

 

One of those reasons is wonderfully illustrated by this thread. Okliehomo and jawjateck have collectively, over MANY years, hundreds if not thousands of posts here. They have built reputations of honest and integrity. Now because in the process of announcing A.J’s retirement Okliehomo mentioned that Justice’s recent behavior left something to be desired his veracity is questioned by posters who, don’t appear to have a clue about the history and reputation of some regular posters on this site. Just because of Okliehomo’s comment and jawjateck’s support regarding the behavior of a, relatively, new escort who happens to have a handsome face, a good body, a nice cock, and a pretty ass some posters have immediately questioned both Okliehomo’s and jawjateck’s objectivity and integrity. Many of us believe in giving escorts the benefit of doubt under normal circumstances BUT this, because of the long time credibility of BOTH Okliehomo and jawjateck DOES NOT HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCE.
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I been following this thread and bighting my tongue until I had fully felt that all was well between myself and the two people who lost in this ordeal. I really dont believe it was ever something that should have ever caused such a ruccus on this forum. I do however understand that this is what this forum is for. But most are speaking without even knowing any of the details. And I am not going to go into them. Except yes I did cancel 3 weeks prior to a long standing arrangement that I may add also took much planning. I very reluctantly canceled. it was not something that I did lightly. I didnt offer reimbursement I thought that it was implied that I would reimburse for something I completly canceled on. It wasnt even brought up till I read it on here. I also believe that 3 weeks is a fair amount of notice. I didnt call when i was supposed to be on way to airport to cancel. like has happened to me before. Not mentioning any names.

But with all that said I am pretty sure that I am on fairly decent terms with the two people indvolved. I was actullay really looking forward to this outing. I hope okie and jaw have an amazing forth and wish I could be there.

And the sad part is that a person can not leave and try a differnt life without being rediculed for it. I have been doing this for 3 years. Maybe a short period of time for some. But a long period of time for myself. Is it really wrong to want happiness.

 

For those of you on here I have had the pleasure of meeting. I wish you all luck in life. And I have enjoyed my time with you.

 

Sincerly Andrew Justice

 

 

 

 

P.S... I never claimed to be a writer so I appologize for my non structure.

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Wish you the best

 

Thank you Andrew for being such a wonderful person. We all appreciate that and I think all of your clients will miss you. Time with you will be cherished and I wish for your happiness. Thank you for being so classy too. Rather than ridiculing your clients you instead show respect. That real classy act shows it all. Such a gentleman!

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Drama queens will be drama queens

 

Very classy response by Andrew Justice.

 

Life is strange sometimes - there can ebbs and there can be flows. People can come in and out of a person's life, even several times, as circumstances change. I think we've all had such experiences. I hope Okliehomo and Jawjatech feel better soon and are able to get things moving again in the right direction. Such "obsessions" and "addictions" are unhealthy as are major bursts of public anger. What was supposed to be 'private' between 3 people is not private anymore, but are we really surprised considering the source ...? :rolleyes:

 

As for AJ's decision, I cannot think of a better way to spend my Fourth of July than be flown to Oklahoma and be paid to listen to the latest gossip. Integrity ... give me a break. As for the "eating pussy" comment I leave it to that: it speaks much more about the author than anything else. :cool:

 

I wish Andrew Justice good luckand all the best in moving in the direction he has chosen to. God bless you, Andrew.

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Steven, geez, I don't know any of the parties in this drama and from an outsiders point of view all could have done better, but Steven, every post it seems you take a swipe at someone and I am hard pressed to see how that helps you personally or professionally. I see that many insults are hurled your way too. Turn the other cheek man, especially with such delectable cheeks and all concerned might be better for it.

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All my Best to you AJ

 

Getting out while still on top and the best thing that ever happened to the escort world bravo for you AJ you are truly the bar that every escort should aspire to be.

 

I consider you my friend and I respect your choice to move on.

 

I know that the bond that was created in OKC between Okie and you and all the others including me is something some people wont be able to comprehend.

 

My hope for you AJ is that you will find it possible to place a bit of forgiveness upon the ones that feel the reality of your absence.

 

sometimes outlets for this kind of thing are few and far between and it can seem like a big burden to have to contend with when there is some support here in the MC. miles away from anything even resembling an open minded community.

remember everyone cant just sit down and talk to people

in ones hometown about the current state of affairs in relation to hiring escorts in a big way, who would even begin to get it.

 

I really wish this thread was never even started.

 

the good news is that you have been a wonderful person through and through

You really brought it all together in OKC on every occasion the slow dance the hot times the laughs about everything from the bed to the couch to the bar to the restaurant to which jock will i bring this time santa or valentine, fleece or neoprene :eek: its all there and will never be forgotten.

 

it wont be the same without you.

 

I know that there will be a look in okies eyes from now on that says

"if AJ were here this would be just way too hot"

 

and thats a great legacy to leave behind.

 

Stay in touch and I will see you in po-dunk for dinner and line dancing one day soon.

 

you will always be "country" to me:cool:

 

Love David

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Words such as "dissatisfied", "angry", "obsessed", and "addicted" among others have been used to describe me. It's ridiculous. Nothing in my post made a value judgment concerning AJ. I simply reported some facts that were sorely lacking in the midst of a thread being inundated with ignorant responses. I have wished AJ well privately, and I add my voice to those on this board who really want him to have a great life post-escorting. He is a sweet guy, and I hope he will be happy pursuing his dreams. I don't regard anything that happened in my limited dealings with him to be a bad deal or even a big deal.

 

Okie and I are still finalizing our plans for the 4th, and it will be a helluva good time. I am looking forward to my pilgrimage to the heartland.

 

So many of you remain very special friends to me, even if we never meet. Others here just make me shake my head, and remind me not to let this get personal, and to take breaks as needed and keep the "fun" as the goal. So a break is in order. I'll be back somewhere down the road.

 

Be well y'all!

 

P.S. Steven Draker......When the new message center opened for business, you extended the offer of friendship to me, and I am so glad you did. I do not want to see how you treat your enemies. With each post, like this most recent one, you only vindicate your arch-nemesis JT and indict yourself.

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Having just read Steven's latest post and David's post, I think we have a perfect example of the diference between taking the high or the low road.

One can only hope that this thread will pass on to eternity soon.

AMEN..Brother! As usual the Wrong "Working Guy" is Retiring! ;)
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I like Steven. Steven reminds of two people in my life. I had to work with a russian colleague on a research project. She didn't grew up here and she was just invited here to work with me. She was very direct in many ways sometimes I took it offensive. She didn't filter anything and told me what exactly she thinks. However, I got more things done together in a short period of time and in the end we became friends. Another person is my former boss. She was also from Europe and did not grow up here. I didn't understand why she was so direct and mean to me but I put up with her. Later when I took over her position I've realized that why she did that to help me and you never know someone unless you are inside one's head. Actually what she did helped me a lot.

 

Steven reminds of them. I am not saying that what Steven did was right or wrong. I simply believe it is just his personality and his way of communicating. Maybe he is being a bit too harsh but I don't think it makes him a bad person or anything.

 

I get attacked and criticized everyday. I love that because it means I learn what I have to think about more and what to improve. The most fear I have is that people would just watch me fail without saying anything. Those who always praise me and say that I am always right really don't help me and believe or not my adversaries always do that except my family..Aww

 

When Madoff's ponzi scheme was revealed I had to thank one of the associates. He was a bit like Steven. A lot of people would not stand him. Actually he was more direct than Steven. Everybody was saying that he was crazy (not Steven) and why we should pull out from such a good investment. However, I sided with him and we took our investment out. Thanks to him we get to keep our jobs and we didn't have to lay anyone off. I've learned that having to hear not so pleasant words everyday wasn't always bad. That was when I really learned "Diversity" is very important. Why can't we accept Steven as who he is. Everybody can't be like David. I adore David. He is a great man inside and out. But I like Steven too. I wish him the best.

 

My vacation is going to be over as of tomorrow. Some of you guys might say thank God that I will be gone. I took some time off due to a personal reason and stayed at a bit isolated place so internet, TV, and some books were all I had. My connection with other people were people at the local grocery(super nice people!), my boss and you guys. Oh I forgot my new kitten. He is so cute by the way. This will be a last post for a long time from me. Take care all. No hard feelings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very classy response by Andrew Justice.

 

Life is strange sometimes - there can ebbs and there can be flows. People can come in and out of a person's life, even several times, as circumstances change. I think we've all had such experiences. I hope Okliehomo and Jawjatech feel better soon and are able to get things moving again in the right direction. Such "obsessions" and "addictions" are unhealthy as are major bursts of public anger. What was supposed to be 'private' between 3 people is not private anymore, but are we really surprised considering the source ...? :rolleyes:

 

As for AJ's decision, I cannot think of a better way to spend my Fourth of July than be flown to Oklahoma and be paid to listen to the latest gossip. Integrity ... give me a break. As for the "eating pussy" comment I leave it to that: it speaks much more about the author than anything else. :cool:

 

I wish Andrew Justice good luckand all the best in moving in the direction he has chosen to. God bless you, Andrew.[/color]

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