Counting Money and Tipping

[Romann]

When I was reading your post, I began to think about it a bit more and had to define "tipping" for me. While some of my very best clients don't tip and I have never known them to, they do make regular appointments whether that be weekly or monthly in which I'm very grateful for. While a tip isn't included, their continued relationship with me is in many cases better than an extra something-something here and there. So, I would consider that a tip. Thoughts anyone?

 

I have also noticed that the majority of tips received for myself accompany overnights and weekends instead of 1 or 2 hour sessions.

 

As for the counting part of this thread, that's a judgement call between the client and escort. I've never had a reason to count the payment upfront nor have I been shorted by a client either. I think a lot of that can be mitigated by Knowing Your Client (KYC) through communication on the phone and email prior to the appointment. While nothing is a 100% guarantee, I would bet money it greatly reduces the risk. I would also like to think being stiffed happens FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR less. If it is happening a lot to someone, that person may want to review their practices and start from there to possibly determine why a consistent outcome.

 

I could be wrong though!

 

 

In the "Minneapolis: Escorts Beware" thread started by smalltownjohn, there's a discussion of whether escorts should count the money before leaving to make sure they're not being shortchanged. Personally, I've got nothing against counting in front of me AFTER the session, but I am put off if money is asked for up front.

 

Anyway, that's not my question. One of the reasons I don't mind the escort counting the money in front of me is because I almost always give a tip on top of the agreed-upon rate and I like the extra smile and warmth I get when he realizes it. I'm just wondering how common tipping is. Anyone care to comment?

[jackcali]

When I asked about tipping, I specifically meant giving the escort more money than the agreed-upon rate. While I agree that there's no better compliment to an escort's quality than to become a repeat and loyal client (especially here in NYC, where you can't swing a cat without hitting someone who's in the business), I really was focusing on the money. Way up top, I desribed the rule I was taught when I was young, which was that you tipped employees of a business (so, a waiter or waitress) but not someone who worked for themselves (a plumber). Escorts fit in the second category and it's fair to assume that they've set their prices at the amount that represents good business.

 

This thread, while it's covered a number of topics, has been really helpful for me. I think that in the future, I won't tip unless I've had an extraordinary experience with an escort that I'm not able to see regularly (maybe because I am or the escort is traveling). When possible, I will see a quality escort more regularly and for more extended sessions.

 

Thanks to all for your advice.

[JT Brooklyn]

When I asked about tipping, I specifically meant giving the escort more money than the agreed-upon rate. While I agree that there's no better compliment to an escort's quality than to become a repeat and loyal client (especially here in NYC, where you can't swing a cat without hitting someone who's in the business), I really was focusing on the money. Way up top, I desribed the rule I was taught when I was young, which was that you tipped employees of a business (so, a waiter or waitress) but not someone who worked for themselves (a plumber). Escorts fit in the second category and it's fair to assume that they've set their prices at the amount that represents good business.

 

This thread, while it's covered a number of topics, has been really helpful for me. I think that in the future, I won't tip unless I've had an extraordinary experience with an escort that I'm not able to see regularly (maybe because I am or the escort is traveling). When possible, I will see a quality escort more regularly and for more extended sessions.

 

Thanks to all for your advice.

 

Jack..Totally True..This is why I always have the "Owner" Style my Hair! Yes I am follicely Blessed and occasionally Cheap!

 

As alot of Restaurant Menus in NYC read to nail the more Frugal (Cheap) Customers...Includes "Gratuity".

 

This is DEFINITELY where some "Service Worker's" get their Rate ideas from! Because there are those who in no way deserve one.

[Mark Gordon]

Practice Varies Between Cultures

 

Having recently moved back to Canada after years of escorting in London UK, I can tell you that there is a different culture regarding asking for money upfront, counting & tipping there. In London, it is the norm for escorts to ask 1st time clients for payment in advance & to count it & clients expect this. Mind you, the counting can usually done quickly & discreetly as there are fewer bills involved. Tips are much rarer in London & come mostly from Americans. However, it is common for regular clients to treat their prefered escorts with gifts & any practical assistance they might need.

 

Upon moving to Toronto, it quickly became apparent to me that most clients here do not appreciate being asked for payment in advance or seeing the money counted. So now I leave it up to them when & how they'd like to settle up & so far have not had any problems. Conversely, tipping is much more common here & more likely to come if payment is at the end. I don't expect a tip, but it's gratefully received & remembered.

 

The review system also plays only a marginal role in London. The main UK site Gaydar does not incorporate reviews. I have become aware of their increasing importance since returning to North America. I think the possibility earning a good review or avoiding a bad one has become a greater motivating factor in the business than the prospect of a tip.

[gp0560]

Counting and Tipping

 

As to counting -- I used to hire for 1-2 hour sessions, and I left the bills fanned out on a table where the escort could see them. That way, he could pocket them discreetly at any point. Could he have grabbed them and run? Sure, but I hired only the top ranked guys, and I depended on Daddy's reviews to help me choose them. The only time this way of paying was a problem is when I made the mistake of not checking the reviews. Bad scene, but unique. Taught me an expensive lesson.

 

These days, I most often hire one of "my" two special out-of-town guys for longer sessions, and I prefer to count the fee with them, together and up front. That's because the mood at the end is something that's important to me and I don't want to spoil the moment by counting money. My case is likely different from most others, though, because one of the two has become a true friend and I'm hoping the other one will, too.

 

As to tipping -- With one exception, I don't tip, because the escort "owns" the business, and I was taught that you don't tip owners. I do, however, try to offer special hosting, such as a small gift that shows I pay attention to what they tell me about themselves. ... Or a tight muscle shirt. lol

 

The one exception is a local guy who charges an absurdly low rate. If he knew hot he is, he would know that he has clearly under-priced himself. (But am I the one to tell him so? Nooooo.) I consistently tip him 20%.

[JT Brooklyn]

Welcome Hunk

 

Having recently moved back to Canada after years of escorting in London UK, I can tell you that there is a different culture regarding asking for money upfront, counting & tipping there. In London, it is the norm for escorts to ask 1st time clients for payment in advance & to count it & clients expect this. Mind you, the counting can usually done quickly & discreetly as there are fewer bills involved. Tips are much rarer in London & come mostly from Americans. However, it is common for regular clients to treat their prefered escorts with gifts & any practical assistance they might need.

 

Upon moving to Toronto, it quickly became apparent to me that most clients here do not appreciate being asked for payment in advance or seeing the money counted. So now I leave it up to them when & how they'd like to settle up & so far have not had any problems. Conversely, tipping is much more common here & more likely to come if payment is at the end. I don't expect a tip, but it's gratefully received & remembered.

 

The review system also plays only a marginal role in London. The main UK site Gaydar does not incorporate reviews. I have become aware of their increasing importance since returning to North America. I think the possibility earning a good review or avoiding a bad one has become a greater motivating factor in the business than the prospect of a tip.

 

Welcome to Daddys Mark both You and the Hunky AVATAR!

 

Thanks for explaining the way Biz is done Outside the U.S.

 

I for one am looking forward to YOUR future Reviews!

 

Let us NYC Guys know IF you ever visit in the Travel Section.

[Mark Gordon]

Welcome to Daddys Mark both You and the Hunky AVATAR!

 

Thanks for explaining the way Biz is done Outside the U.S.

 

I for one am looking forward to YOUR future Reviews!

 

Let us NYC Guys know IF you ever visit in the Travel Section.

 

Cheers 4 the welcome, Brooklyn Guy!

I'm really glad to have found these boards - I find them useful & interesting: a unique venue for escorts & clients to share their thoughts & find information.

I am hoping to get some reviews up on Daddy's. In the meantime, there are a few up on Canadian Male.

I Love NYC & will definitely be planning a visit...

[Guest countryboywny]

I've never had an escort ask me for the money upfront. When I do give him the money, I always ask him to count it in case I made a mistake. This way we both know the amount is right. I'd hate to think I cheated someone because I made a counting error.

[Guest zipperzone]

I've never had an escort ask me for the money upfront. When I do give him the money, I always ask him to count it in case I made a mistake. This way we both know the amount is right. I'd hate to think I cheated someone because I made a counting error.

 

Unless you're in Kindergarten or grade one, you don't make a "counting error". The reason to have the escort count the $$$ is so he can't claim after the fact that he was cheated when it then becomes his word against yours.

[Edward]

Counting and Tipping

 

Counting is tacky. If an escort is not sure of the client or he is a new client, they should ask for payment upfront. However tipping? Tipping in my opinion is for excetional service. It is not like these guys are not paid for their services like a waitress, where a tip is considered part of the bill. I believe the tip comes in the form of repeat business, nice dinners and theater tickets. Or a gift on the next visit. Of course I only go for the upper end guys. Never hired a guy who I felt was below the "market rate" for services.

[Isis123]

I live in London and do not recognise Mark Gordon's description of business activity here.

I do not think there is any difference between London and the US. If an escort were to ask for payment up-front and then count the money, I would be most unlikely to see them again.

[Bart]

I like to tip when the service is more than I anticipated. Especially when I note the gentleman when out of his way during our meeting or adjusted his rate to fit the meeting, than proceeded to exceed expectations. I also agree repeat business is ultimately the best way to recognize the gentleman's work. Sometimes though that is not possible immediately so I think a tip would be appropriate. I also like the look in his eyes when he receives it as well. For an overnight I will usually by a card with a note and the tip inside, if warranted.

[TruthBTold]

I generally see the same guy and he gives me a lower rate cause I am a repeat. Also, he tends not to be a clock watcher. So I always give him a little gift. It may be a "tip" or it may be something like tickets to see a show.

[MscleLovr]

Wrong about London

 

Mark Gordon wrote: In London, it is the norm for escorts to ask 1st time clients for payment in advance & to count it & clients expect this. Mind you, the counting can usually done quickly & discreetly as there are fewer bills involved. Tips are much rarer in London & come mostly from Americans. However, it is common for regular clients to treat their prefered escorts with gifts & any practical assistance they might need.

 

Isis123 responded: I live in London and do not recognise Mark Gordon's description of business activity here.

I do not think there is any difference between London and the US. If an escort were to ask for payment up-front and then count the money, I would be most unlikely to see them again.

 

I'm a Londoner and I agree with Isis. In my direct experience, and knowing lots of guys in the business (escorts & clients), what Mark Gordon wrote is UTTERLY WRONG. I accept that some guys may ask for money upfront and count it, but it is NOT the norm.

 

Here, as in the US, being asked for money upfront is a 'warning' signal that bad service or a rip-off is likely. This was once asked of me, and I politely showed him the door. He protested. I reminded him that in arranging the date I'd asked if he had any questions or requests for me. If money upfront was vital, he should have said so then. (As an aside, he then agreed to continue; he was lousy in bed and didn't recall much of what I had clearly said I enjoy doing. So as a 'signal' it remains a good indicator of the likely outcome)

 

Also in the UK, counting the money is just seen as tacky. I leave the money out on display in the bedroom but hand it to the guy just before he leaves. Once I had a good session with a Californian muscle-boy, now working in London, and he counted the money. I never hired him again, despite his emails to me.

 

I agree that tipping is most unusual. It's a custom that is associated with Americans but seems inexplicable to Europeans, since escorts are self-employed, set their own rates and don't pay tax.

 

I disagree about regular clients giving gifts etc to their preferred guys instead. To my knowledge, this is not usual. If I've played with a nice guy who interests me, I may invite him to dinner (off-the-clock). I have been complimented several times on my generosity/kindness in doing this, and I've learned that it never happens with other clients.

[jackcali]

Thanks, MscleLovr, for the information and the good observations. If I can rise to the defense of the California muscle boy, though, your English money can be a little confusing to us Yanks, so maybe he had to look at it a little just to make sure it was money. Now, if you were paying him in good ol' American greenbacks, he might not have had to do that.

[whipped guy]

Checking Ben out

 

...your English money can be a little confusing to us Yanks, so maybe he had to look at it a little just to make sure it was money. Now, if you were paying him in good ol' American greenbacks, he might not have had to do that.

 

I got a laugh out of that one... as just last week I had an "interesting" experience with an escort. By "interesting" I am referring not only to the fact that he was not very satisfying form a personality point of view due to his haughty nature and degrading manner... but that he really scrutinized the Ben Franklins that I placed on the bed at the conclusion of our session.

 

As I left the escort's bedroom to clean up I noticed through the corner of my eye that he not only counted them... fair enough... but held them up to the light to see if they were real. I almost said. "Be careful! The ink ain't dry yet!" However, in light of the fact that I thought the guy was a total jerk I just shook my head and snickered.

[jackcali]

Oh, that's too funny. Sorry that the experience was bad, but don't hate on him for looking at the bills. You should have taken him down a peg or two (you said he was haughty), by asking "Haven't you ever seen one of those before?"

 

Better luck with the next guy.

[Guest UWS Guy]

Tipping

 

On tipping... I do not think there are any rules and this thread proves it as everyone has their own perception about how someone has set their fess and what they expect.

My rule is if I have an amazing time and plan to see them again regardless of their fee I give between 20-25% tip. If we hit it off and end up doing an overnight or traveling together they get the benefit of hotels and dinners and maybe gifts but it does not stop me from giving a tip at the end. In the end it is an expression of appreciation.

If it's just an ok session together I pay the fee and no tip.

[whipped guy]

Oh but I did!!!!

 

...You should have taken him down a peg or two (you said he was haughty)...

 

jackcali... Actually I took him down several pegs after I cleaned up... but not over the money issue. He was the most condescending SOB I have ever encountered (and ironically I had hired him a couple of years ago and he was a perfect gentleman) and I certainly felt that I got my Ben Franklin's worth after doing so!!!

[JT Brooklyn]

jackcali... Actually I took him down several pegs after I cleaned up... but not over the money issue. He was the most condescending SOB I have ever encountered (and ironically I had hired him a couple of years ago and he was a perfect gentleman) and I certainly felt that I got my Ben Franklin's worth after doing so!!!

 

Mr Whip..Think of it as a "Night At The Opera" a little Comedy/Tragedy...Minus of course both the Fat Lady Singing & The Marx Bros!

 

Working with "Working Guys" can be a roll of the dice! We've all had 2nd Encounters that have gone BOTH Good and Bad!

 

"Pack up your Whip" and Move On!

[jackcali]

Well, good for you.

 

I am sure that escorting is a tough business even if it's fun now and then (or even most of the time) and that it can wear on a person with the wrong personality. I'm in a service business (not escorting, lol, I don't even want to THINK about what kind of guys would be willing to pay me for that service), and I find that sometimes I just hate my clients, even the good ones, mostly because I need a vacation or a break from work or I feel unappreciated and just need a "good job, Jack" or "thanks, Jack" from a client. I find that some of my colleagues are bitter enough that they feel that way about clients ALL the time. What distinguishes a professional is the ability to hide those feelings when they are there and still do your best for your clients. In my line of work, it's not that hard to hide those feelings, but in something as intimate as escorting, it must be tough.

 

I'm glad you gave it to him, though. He'll be a better escort for it, even if you never see him again.

[Guest adnyuki]

For a slightly different perspective in NYC

 

In the last few weeks, I have met quite a few working guys in NYC - the majority are not native New Yorkers nor are they native Americans.

 

One guy told me of a client who paid him by check (he did not know this is not acceptable), and the check bounced, and subsequent attempts to contact the perp went unanswered. (I have to admit, I wrote the text message to this jerk Upper East Side client in perfect, clear, understandable English...! He probably thought the escort's lack of sufficient language skills warranted stiffing the guy!!!! )

 

Another guy was paid only half his fee (because he did not take the time to count it).

 

Yet a third was "invited" out to LI for a weekend, but no offer or clarity on who was paying the transport, and what the fee was for 2-3 days (as if, being invited to the Hamptons was enough of a "fee").

 

In each case, the escort's innocence to American (New York) ways, and lack of guile left him without a fee or without a job (and this does not count the number of guys who call and waste time on useless chatter using blocked numbers). I finally convinced my friends "Never answer a blocked number!", "Ask POLITELY for the fee to be displayed when you arrive," (something done often enough in Europe where you leave the fee openly on the desk or nighttable in the hotel room), "NEVER take checks!!!", and finally, "If you are invited to some exotic location, have the money wired to you for tickets before leaving, and settle ahead of time the fee!"

 

It may be considered tacky by some, but since we are admittedly hiring these guys for a service, why get so upset when the guy asks to see the money? Sure there are ways to do this, and ways NOT to do this, but only once has the escort been a real jerk about it all.

[KMEM]

At first I thought you were bragging about the number of guys you could or would see in a week. But, then I realized you were just lamenting the poor way some of the citizens of the US treat "others". A sad tale and so unnecessary. I hate it when people don't do what they should and expect to just slide by.

 

Thanks for your tale and explanation thereof.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest zipperzone]

I generally see the same guy and he gives me a lower rate cause I am a repeat. Also, he tends not to be a clock watcher. So I always give him a little gift. It may be a "tip" or it may be something like tickets to see a show.

 

At the price of show tickets these days, I would hardly call that a "little gift"!

[MiamiLooker]

I hate it when people don't do what they should and expect to just slide by.

 

Now that's funny LOL

Thanks