Counting Money and Tipping

[Guest Michaelnc]

I guess I don't really understand why counting money should be a problem. I go to the same coffee shop every day, I know all the people who work there, and I often have long personal conversations with them. We're not friends, but we have a very good professional relationship. But it wouldn't occur to me to be offended when they count the cash I give them, as they always do. Don't you ever make a mistake in counting out cash? I do. I'd feel terrible if I shortchanged someone accidentally. If I am happy to have someone check my math over $1.87, I can't imagine objecting when someone wants to make sure the wad of twenties I just gave him adds up correctly.

[cmennow]

Funny Funny

 

So I met with my regular guy last night and a lot of things that I have read on here came into my mind as we were together but the main thing was the money counting and tip issue. When I handed him the money, he didn't count it and as normal we were in the middle of conversation and he just slipped it into his pocket. I wanted to ask him if he had ever been shortchanged because I tend to be inquisitive about his lifestyle so he doesn't mind my questions, but I didn't. I had to laugh to myself as I thought about all the comments on here. I think I was slightly paranoid that I may have miscounted or something. Luckily, I stuck to my normal routine.

 

I started to really give more thought to this tip thing but didn't want to get locked into a "now I have to do it" type thing for the future. Especially since I see him so frequently. His birthday is this month so I plan on picking him up something special in the way of a "tip" when I visit NYC .

[JT Brooklyn]

Cmennow... It has been my experience that when a "Working Guy" finds a guy he likes hanging out with and is more or less steady "Biz Wise" with him, that's the best form of Tipping and is appreciated more than the occasional Tipper!

 

Especially IF the occasional "Mr Deep Pockets" is going to make it part of the conversation everytime they meet!

[whipped guy]

Lavish tippers

 

... It has been my experience that when a "Working Guy" finds a guy he likes hanging out with and is more or less steady "Biz Wise" with him, that's the best form of Tipping and is appreciated more than the occasional Tipper!

 

Exactly...

 

Plus, I have actually heard some working guys ridicule other clients who showered them with big tips and excessive gifts as being complete idiots. I recently heard a story about one guy who accepted all sorts of lavish gifts and then told the client to fry ice... it seems he used the client to get what he wanted and them completely blew him off...

 

Some individuals are simply users and it seem that a number of working guys most definitely fit into that category.

[Guest Musclestudoh]

Plus, I have actually heard some working guys ridicule other clients who showered them with big tips and excessive gifts as being complete idiots. I recently heard a story about one guy who accepted all sorts of lavish gifts and then told the client to fry ice... it seems he used the client to get what he wanted and them completely blew him off...

That's unfortunate and should speak to their lack of professionalism and respect for their client. Karma's a bitch!

 

Some individuals are simply users and it seem that a number of working guys most definitely fit into that category.

 

To be fair, this characterization could certainly cross both sides of the fence. However, I'm certain it is more of the exception than the rule.

 

My take on tipping is that it's never expected but graciously appreciated when given. If I haven't exceeded someone's expectations then I haven't met MY standard.

[JT Brooklyn]

Buyers Remorse!

 

Exactly...

 

Plus, I have actually heard some working guys ridicule other clients who showered them with big tips and excessive gifts as being complete idiots. I recently heard a story about one guy who accepted all sorts of lavish gifts and then told the client to fry ice... it seems he used the client to get what he wanted and them completely blew him off...

 

Some individuals are simply users and it seem that a number of working guys most definitely fit into that category.

 

Mr Whip..Well there will always be the Buyer's attitude and the Seller's attitude. Since the whole situation is about $$ some people just relate and possibly end up with Remorse being either the BUYER or SELLER!

 

BUT the one with the "Fatter" Wallet usually gets over it much faster! IMHO as usual!

[whipped guy]

That's unfortunate and should speak to their lack of professionalism and respect for their client.

 

Sean, yes speaking badly about other clients to a client is both unfortunate and unprofessional... As I posted in another thread regarding how some "workers" could improve their business sense, if a business person speaks disparagingly about other clients in your presence... is is safe to assume that you will be spoken of to others in a similar manner as soon as you are out the door... Food for thought.

 

To be fair, this characterization could certainly cross both sides of the fence. However, I'm certain it is more of the exception than the rule.

 

Sean, in fairness you are right and I should have mentioned that "users" can indeed be part of either side of the equation. However, with some working guys greed and the love of money take pride of place and I am sure I am not the only one who has heard of a case or two of a wealthy client being blackmailed... Still I don't want to single out the "oldest profession" as being the only staging area for such behavior... it is simply part of what what for better or worse constitutes the diversity of civilization itself.

 

While I have met a few characters over the years, I have been privileged to meet many fine and caring individuals as well... so as you suggest such behavior is most likely the exception rather than the rule.

[Guest Musclestudoh]

if a business person speaks disparagingly about other clients in your presence... is is safe to assume that you will be spoken of to others in a similar manner as soon as you are out the door... Food for thought.

I AGREE!!

 

How ironic (Food for thought ) that a similar scenario happened at a restaurant last night. The server thought she had developed a rapport with me and could "share her feelings" about one of her customers that she felt didn't tip very well. Although I agreed with her reasoning, I feel as a representative of her company, she presented herself and the restaurant in a negative light. Some things are better left unsaid!

[Ivan]

Speaking about one client to another client, whether good, bad, or indifferent

 

Sean, yes speaking badly about other clients to a client is both unfortunate and unprofessional... As I posted in another thread regarding how some "workers" could improve their business sense, if a business person speaks disparagingly about other clients in your presence... is is safe to assume that you will be spoken of to others in a similar manner as soon as you are out the door... Food for thought.

 

I would go even further -- not just "speaking badly" or "speaking disparagingly" about a client -- but speaking at all about a client is both unfortunate and unprofessional.

 

For example, I had seen Joe several times over a year for great appointments -- and on one occasion when calling a new escort, the escort said, "I know you, you're one of Joe's favorite clients." And another time in small talk, an escort said to me something similar. I did not see Joe again after the second incident -- (a) because of his lack of discretion, and (b) I didn't believe that only "good" was being said, I suspect more was being said mixed in with the good. At any rate, it was not discrete to be talking about clients by name with another escort, whether good, bad, or indifferent.

 

A couple of guys I see on an oingong basis NEVER have talked about a client to me in a way that I could recognize the client -- only the most general statements like "other clients have asked me to do the same" or "Yes, a client took me to Paris one time" (answering a specific question from me) or "I've had great three-ways involving electro."

 

Likewise, I do NOT talk about escorts I have seen, nor mention other activities with escorts in a way that compares him badly with others. While I might say, "I've had sessions involving electro and enjoyed them," I would ever say "Max was the greatest for oral sex, he really had a deep throat."

 

To me, this is all about treating the other person (whether client or escort) with respect, and all about good manners.

[whipped guy]

More food for thought

 

I AGREE!! How ironic (Food for thought ) that a similar scenario happened at a restaurant last night. The server thought she had developed a rapport with me and could "share her feelings" about one of her customers that she felt didn't tip very well. Although I agreed with her reasoning, I feel as a representative of her company, she presented herself and the restaurant in a negative light. Some things are better left unsaid!

 

Sean… That is simply part of “Business 101”. Regrettably sometimes people can’t hold in their feelings… and unfortunately that is just part of human nature… but one most definitely has to do so when one is in business, or is an employee of a business. As you say an employee is a representative of the company. When one is self employed the onus is even greater… When one is in a business that involves a certain amount of privacy and anonymity the obligation is much greater than that! Enough said!

 

I would go even further -- not just "speaking badly" or "speaking disparagingly" about a client -- but speaking at all about a client is both unfortunate and unprofessional.

 

Ivan… You are exactly right… and I should have emphasized that point as well. In fact a business should be run in a fashion that is analogous to the HIPAA privacy laws that govern health care providers. It is fine to speak in broad generalities so as to make a point, but a specific individual or situation should never be explicitly referenced in a way that would compromise anyone’s privacy. It is not only good business sense but as Ivan says “good manners” as well… and is a two way street for all parties involved!

 

PS: Ivan... If you do have some stories about "three-ways involving electro" the Fetish Forum has been somewhat slow of late... some details (without compromising anyone's privacy) would be appreciated!

[whipped guy]

A bit more... and back on topic

 

Since it seems that this thread as taken a detour I want to mention one more incident that I just recalled…

 

One of the most egregious assaults on a person’s privacy occurred several years ago by an escort that was just beginning to explore the possibilities of BDSM as it related to his personal business. At the time I and one other individual were the only clients that were asking him to get involved in such activities. Now this other individual emailed him with a scenario about how he wanted to be tied to the bed and have all sorts of things done to him. This particular working guy thought that it was so funny that he forwarded the entire email to me… and by entire email I mean it included the client’s name (!) and email address (!)…. !!!!!! I promptly responded saying that this was a breach of confidentiality that should never have been violated. The escort was dumbfounded and replied saying something to the effect that, “I don’t think there is anything wrong. I just wanted to share something that I thought was funny.” I responded by giving him a crash course in privacy. Needless to say our relationship didn’t last long. Plus to return to the main topic, you guessed it… he was a “before I am out the door counter” as well!

 

Regarding tipping… I feel that a good business person should set their fees based on (among other things) what they feel their services are worth, what expenses are entailed, and what the market will bear for them to compete successfully. Even guys that work for agencies have made a tactical decision regarding what they feel they are worth and have made a decision to minimize expenses since the agency is the one doing the advertising. Now one situation that has not been addressed is the “IRS factor”. Either way (do you report or not report your income) it should be figured into the equation ahead of time when deciding on an appropriate rate. For that reason it should be a mute point.

 

Consequently, I feel that under normal circumstance that a tip is not necessary. However, I have given guys gifts of a personal nature and I have compensated them for their time when they went way over the allotted time frame. In addition, when agencies have run specials I usually give the working guy a bit of an extra boost to be fair.

[Guest greatness]

Well

 

Exactly...

 

Plus, I have actually heard some working guys ridicule other clients who showered them with big tips and excessive gifts as being complete idiots. I recently heard a story about one guy who accepted all sorts of lavish gifts and then told the client to fry ice... it seems he used the client to get what he wanted and them completely blew him off...

 

Some individuals are simply users and it seem that a number of working guys most definitely fit into that category.

 

 

First, you are not the person who experienced this. I don't think you can present something you over heard as a corroboration.

 

Second, gift is a gift. If a client wanted something out of it, it is not a gift. It is a prepayment to guarantee a good service later. So clients when you tip with in a mind to appreciate your escorts going extra then I think tipping is good. However do not tip them and ask for something in return if that is your intention.

 

Third, people who give lavish gifts do that because they can afford it. It means really nothing to them. Most of these lavish gifting clients are even paid when driven to a meeting by a driver.

 

Fourth, if an escort told this good client to fry ice, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Unless the client gave a lot to escort beyond his means to gain a personal relationship from the escort. Why would a smart escort would say a such a thing? That escort is an idiot not the client.

 

Most of escorts appreciate my gifts. There are no strings attached to it. I can surely afford it and that is why they are getting it. Period. There are escorts who appreciate tips but I know they are escorts who don't appreciate anything. They think their good looks will last forever and act arrogantly. But there are arrogant unappreciative people every where in all walks of life why do these escorts have to be more criticized for it.

 

Other professions usually gets paid more as their experiences increase, however escorts do not see the same kind of compensation increase when they are 40s and 50s. So escorts have to make a lot of money when they are young and invest their earning. You know how investment goes. It always doesn't go in way that you expected. There is no retirement plan and also health risks. So 200 - 300 dollar an hour seems a lot but it's not in the long run for those who don't have a day job. Especially you have to come up with your own health plan. I met an escort who got sick. Doctors could not diagnosis him. He spent a lot of money for his medical bills. By the way the budget cut is not helping people with a minimum health care either.

 

One escort tried to charge more because he knew I could afford it. I could have paid more but not to inflate the price and I know increasing the rate would not help that escort either in the long run( I will post a separate post on this matter later). I didn't not agree and paid him a little above the average amount with tip. Some escorts think they are in control of their clients but actually most clients are ahead of their games.

 

It will be ideal if we could live in a fantasy where escorts are our bfs who will have sex with us without money involved. But that is not the reality. It is a business.

 

Usually if you treat your escorts sincerely then they will appreciate that but do not something in return. They are ESCORTS not your bfs or family. If they want to count money in front of you there is nothing we can do about it. It is also their rightful business practice. However, I personally would not hire them again but I do acknowledge the positions that escorts have.

 

For those escorts who talk about clients. We clients have review sites. Please let them express their thoughts. They need their outlet. Whether we condemn it or not they will surely have it and enjoy it. If you don't like escorts who talks about you simply do not hire them. There are escorts who rarely talk about their clients too. What a pathetic escort he would be if he uses his free time to talk about clients one has met. But most escorts have lives and some with family. I am sure most of them have better things to do. So let's not generalize one bad escort's behavior.

[Guest sfsometimes]

mixed response

 

I do not tip

 

But I do hire people over and over who I like

 

Twice guys forgot to take the money and I gave to them next time I saw them

 

Several times I have gotten the amt mixed up so always best to count

[whipped guy]

First, you are not the person who experienced this. I don't think you can present something you over heard as a corroboration.

 

A story was relayed… no names were revealed and it was presented for the purpose of furthering the discussion. Nothing more was implied or suggested.

 

Fourth, if an escort told this good client to fry ice, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Unless the client gave a lot to escort beyond his means to gain a personal relationship from the escort. Why would a smart escort would say a such a thing? That escort is an idiot not the client.

Unless the escort is indeed "not smart"… or a user.

 

But there are arrogant unappreciative people every where in all walks of life why do these escorts have to be more criticized for it.

This is a message board to discuss escorts… consequently escorts are mentioned… not lawyers or taxi drivers (to pick two professions at random)… plus it was also noted that clients can act in the same manner… and by extension it is simply part of civilization as we know it.

 

Other professions usually gets paid more as their experiences increase, however escorts do not see the same kind of compensation increase when they are 40s and 50s. So escorts have to make a lot of money when they are young and invest their earning. You know how investment goes. It always doesn't go with what you expect. There is no retirement plan and also health risks. So 200 - 300 dollar an hour seems a lot but it's not in the long run for those who don't have a day job. Especially you have to come up with your own health plan. I met an escort who got sick. Doctors could not diagnosis him. He spent a lot of money for his medical bills. By the way the budget cut is not helping people with a minimum health care either.

Well we all make decisions as to what to do in life, and some of us make better decisions than others. Some act more sensibly than others and it is one of the factors that comes into consideration when determining fees. I have had more than one discussion with escorts on the need to provide for their future. All “self-employed” individuals need to provide for not only their future, but also for their health care and hopefully do so in a responsible fashion. In that respect an escort is no different. How they handle such matters is a personal decision that will be a test of what priorities they consider to be important. Hopefully they will take the proper and appropriate action to insure their wellbeing.

 

It will be ideal if we could live in a fantasy where escorts are our bfs who will have sex with us without money involved. But that is not the reality. It is a business.

Exactly… and business is a two way street. There is a hopefully meeting of the minds and then the transaction occurs… and with any luck all parties concerned are satisfied with the results.

 

For those escorts who talk about clients. We clients have review sites. Please let them express their thoughts. They need their outlet.

As mentioned above it is simply part of human nature to have an outlet… but it is not a good business practice… Still, it happens every day in every profession… again it is part of the civilization thing.

 

If you don't like escorts who talks about you simply do not hire them. There are escorts who rarely talk about their clients too… So let's not generalize one bad escorts' behavior.

When the word “some” is used it is an indication of an unspecified amount… and an unknown quantity… it is not meant to be used to imply a generality… or a majority… I don’t think that was anyone’s intention.

 

Bottom line: there are quite a few responsiblly acting, sincere, and genuine individuals out there who have chosen to be escorts. Optimistically many of us on this site have been fortunate to experience them... That is in fact the very reason for this site's existence. That there are some "characters" working it (plus some "characters' as clients!) is simply a fact of life.

 

At any rate, it is good (and one of the enjoyable aspects of this site) to have a spirited and civil discussion. We may not always agree, but it is certainly fun to "mix it up" and hear the opinions, attitudes, outlooks, and feelings of others!

[JT Brooklyn]

Reply to Greatness... Whoa! It's only Monday A.M. and Mr Whip is cracking his "Cat of Nine Tails" Touche' Mr Whip!

[Guest greatness]

hmm

 

 

Well being an escort affects personal relationships a lot and one's health. One escort I know is very hot and cute. But he is already infected with herpes and HPV. Moreover, you can get several different strands of a safe type of virus if you have to deal with many clients. It is too much on your body. He is honest though and told me he got these infections and cancelled my appointment wait. (Maybe he was running away from me come to think of it) He has retired since. Thus, sometimes when escorts do not reply, I take it as they need some time off.

 

I've never seen an escort staying in a steady long term relationship. People who meet a good spouse really helps one's mental well being and helps one's health too. It is a blessing to be with someone you love exclusively. Some escorts can't get this because of bias and discrimination. Being gay is hard enough but I can't imagine a hardship of being a gay escort then.

 

I am not defending escorts and saying that their job is more harder than others. However, it is a very difficult job although it may seem easy.

 

Escorts do not have a regulator to protect them. It is a very risky business. This business relies on a good faith but you know how people don't always follow common senses. Some escorts have to be a manager and service provider. The two profession you mention taxi drivers and lawyers do not have to touch you and carry over your germs or looked down upon. Those professions have regulators and laws that protect them. Escorts business has none and sometimes despised by the society as a home wrecker.

 

My point is that being an escort is a very difficult job if escorts really tries hard to provide a good service. If they don't care about good services then they will not last long and they should be in this business.

 

Doctors get paid a lot because people want good doctors and people want smart people to be a doctor. What is the simple way of doing that? You pay doctors a lot. Being a doctor is a hard work and stressful but there is a good compensation.

 

If you want escorts of a good quality then you have to open your wallet so we can maintain a good quality escorts to stay in the business. Those good quality escorts will probably stay away from bad clients or abusers and will be able to say no to things that can put them in danger.

 

If you want a cheap body that you can play for an hour that is fine with me. But if you want to spend time with a high quality escort you have to pay for it and work with your escorts to become one. At least that is what I do. If you don't like service don't tip them. I usually tip a lot but if the service is not satisfactory then they only get lesser amount for tip.

[whipped guy]

Final thoughts...

 

Greatness... As JT noted it is "only" Monday morning and we both seem to have a lot of energy.

 

Actually I think we share many thoughts in common... Escorting is a business and should be run as a business with an appropriate business plan for what the “proprietor” wishes to achieve in his life… or at least for that point in time in his life if it is not to be his life’s endeavor. Hopefully such a plan would operate the business in a thoughtful, respectful, cogent, and ultimately profitable manner. However, in somewhat of an understatement “not all businesses are run properly”! Just look at the current economic climate and there is proof enough in that regard. Escorts are no exception. Unfortunately many escorts have no “business sense”… and that is not to unfairly single them out, but it is the nature of the beast for many of them.

 

Furthermore as you say it is indeed a very difficult profession. Many of us work in professions that are not easy. In fact I dare say that there are not many undemanding occupations out there! I look at jobs such as a waiter and to me that is one job that I’m not sure I could do without getting everything upside-down and backwards… and not break a few dishes along the way! Yet there are some really good waiters out there… true professionals. So to each his own and those who do it best are hopefully rewarded… and when we find someone who does their job in an exemplary manner it is business relationship that should be nurtured and appreciated… and that applies to any profession… doctors, lawyers, waiters… and even escorts.

 

As for businesses that are risky… well there are risks in any business and just because there is a federal, state, or local regulation that, for example, “theoretically” protects an individual from an occupational hazard that is no guarantee that all the risks will be eliminated. The bottom line is this… one must take a certain amount of personal responsibility for their actions so as to act in a reliable and accountable manner. I would hope that escorts are aware of the “risks” involved… and conversely I would expect that clients are aware of the risks as well… and yes the health dangers are great… but think of the risks taken by other professions… first responders, just to name just one of the riskier occupations.

 

Regarding professions being despised… I am sure any number of us could come up with quite a long and varied list of “despised” occupations.

 

Bottom line… the world of escorting is simply a microcosm of the rest of what society has to offer… Its participants on both sides of the equation have the same dreams, fears, hopes, worries, feelings, and concerns as society in general.

 

It is late Monday morning… and I’ve had it… Time to rest…

[Rod Hagen]

In nearly a decade of escorting (wow!) I've been shortchanged, mildly and accidentally 4,5 times. Don't count in front of them, don't ask for it beforehand.

 

You're just going to insult too many people which is bad for your business, and, more importantly, shaming.

 

p.s. I charge the same escort rate I did nearly 10 years ago. Yet I still don't expect a tip because, somehow, $220 is still pretty much the market rate. When I did overnights I considered the generally nice hotels, United Airlines mileage, dinner and breakfast (I like my coffee, espresso, Juice and eggs) and morning blow jobs to be my tip. :-)

 

My massage rate undercuts the competition a bit, $85. I usually receive $100, but don't expect it and am not at all hurt if I receive $85 as that is the rate I asked. I'm in the service industry, but I run and own my own business, and set my rates. If an escort wants more, he should charge more

[Bart]

Well Ron if most of us knew all it took to get you out of LA and allow the rest of us to taste your wares was Airline miles, dinner, breakfast (I'll toss in a second expresso if gets you out of LA) and a hot BJ (I am told I give a hot one) than damn it where do I sign on the dotted line, pretty please with sugar on top. . . .

[Bart]

I as a client have always looked at escorting sort like restaurants. They run the gambit of your neighborhood local eatery to high end charge for every course. Every client has their own tastes and what works for them.

 

The best line I have heard is escorting is a micro-cosim of society and I believe it is. How some guys treat business associates is how those same guys treat the escorts they hire. Some are treated like a vendor and try to get the best delivery at the cheapest price. Others treat business associates and vendors almost like employees and give a good amount of respect. I think is working with an escort is no different than working with anyone else and the motto "Treat others as you would like to be treated," is a good rule of thumb.

 

Greatness I can only say that you are right but only to a point. I do know escorts who have a very healthy relationship and someone to share their life with. But I also know those who have been shunned by friends, many of them gay, because they chose this as a line of work. The ones that can make it are the ones that have a good self-awareness of who they are and a plan. The ability to handle adversity and a good judge of character.

 

I can say I have been scammed once, stolen from once, I have been stood-up, deceived and toss in a gift of STD's. That is not the norm but it will happen. I am sorry there are those who feel the need to cheat on a fee, to cancel without any concern for the person they are dealing with or pursue activities with a known health concern. Pretty much comes back to, treat others as you would like to be treated. What else can we do, complain to the better business bureau?

[Guest greatness]

I agree

 

I am trying to argue that I am right. I have been wrong many times about people and escorts numerous times.

 

Your point about Better Business Bureau is funny. We can't even write to the Attorney General office to file a complaint lol.

 

What my point is that this escorting business is hard for both escorts and clients. I would appreciate escorts act responsibly and sensible so as clients.

However it doesn't always work that way.

 

I have too much time these days isolated from people. I can't wait until this month is over so I can start travel again. It's so interesting that I get to learn other perspectives from escorts and clients while I am posting here. I am not trying to prove that I am right or my perspectives are correct. But I do like to mention things I've experienced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I as a client have always looked at escorting sort like restaurants. They run the gambit of your neighborhood local eatery to high end charge for every course. Every client has their own tastes and what works for them.

 

The best line I have heard is escorting is a micro-cosim of society and I believe it is. How some guys treat business associates is how those same guys treat the escorts they hire. Some are treated like a vendor and try to get the best delivery at the cheapest price. Others treat business associates and vendors almost like employees and give a good amount of respect. I think is working with an escort is no different than working with anyone else and the motto "Treat others as you would like to be treated," is a good rule of thumb.

 

Greatness I can only say that you are right but only to a point. I do know escorts who have a very healthy relationship and someone to share their life with. But I also know those who have been shunned by friends, many of them gay, because they chose this as a line of work. The ones that can make it are the ones that have a good self-awareness of who they are and a plan. The ability to handle adversity and a good judge of character.

 

I can say I have been scammed once, stolen from once, I have been stood-up, deceived and toss in a gift of STD's. That is not the norm but it will happen. I am sorry there are those who feel the need to cheat on a fee, to cancel without any concern for the person they are dealing with or pursue activities with a known health concern. Pretty much comes back to, treat others as you would like to be treated. What else can we do, complain to the better business bureau?

[Guest greatness]

Thanks.

 

My works hours are odd and I am a bit isolated from people right now so I have too much time on hand this month. I appreciate your input. I really hope that escort business becomes a transparent business. Unfortunately it leaves too many doors for things to go wrong at this point. However, clever escorts and clients somehow work together to make it work. That is what I am trying to understand. Nothing in life is boring if we look into it carefully. We can find new things, ideas and business models.

 

 

 

Greatness... As JT noted it is "only" Monday morning and we both seem to have a lot of energy.

 

Actually I think we share many thoughts in common... Escorting is a business and should be run as a business with an appropriate business plan for what the “proprietor” wishes to achieve in his life… or at least for that point in time in his life if it is not to be his life’s endeavor. Hopefully such a plan would operate the business in a thoughtful, respectful, cogent, and ultimately profitable manner. However, in somewhat of an understatement “not all businesses are run properly”! Just look at the current economic climate and there is proof enough in that regard. Escorts are no exception. Unfortunately many escorts have no “business sense”… and that is not to unfairly single them out, but it is the nature of the beast for many of them.

 

Furthermore as you say it is indeed a very difficult profession. Many of us work in professions that are not easy. In fact I dare say that there are not many undemanding occupations out there! I look at jobs such as a waiter and to me that is one job that I’m not sure I could do without getting everything upside-down and backwards… and not break a few dishes along the way! Yet there are some really good waiters out there… true professionals. So to each his own and those who do it best are hopefully rewarded… and when we find someone who does their job in an exemplary manner it is business relationship that should be nurtured and appreciated… and that applies to any profession… doctors, lawyers, waiters… and even escorts.

 

As for businesses that are risky… well there are risks in any business and just because there is a federal, state, or local regulation that, for example, “theoretically” protects an individual from an occupational hazard that is no guarantee that all the risks will be eliminated. The bottom line is this… one must take a certain amount of personal responsibility for their actions so as to act in a reliable and accountable manner. I would hope that escorts are aware of the “risks” involved… and conversely I would expect that clients are aware of the risks as well… and yes the health dangers are great… but think of the risks taken by other professions… first responders, just to name just one of the riskier occupations.

 

Regarding professions being despised… I am sure any number of us could come up with quite a long and varied list of “despised” occupations.

 

Bottom line… the world of escorting is simply a microcosm of the rest of what society has to offer… Its participants on both sides of the equation have the same dreams, fears, hopes, worries, feelings, and concerns as society in general.

 

It is late Monday morning… and I’ve had it… Time to rest…

[Rod Hagen]

Well Ron if most of us knew all it took to get you out of LA and allow the rest of us to taste your wares was Airline miles, dinner, breakfast (I'll toss in a second expresso if gets you out of LA) and a hot BJ (I am told I give a hot one) than damn it where do I sign on the dotted line, pretty please with sugar on top. . . .

 

Really appreciate it Bart, but unfortunately I CAN'T do overnights/travel anymore. Stopped about 4/5 years ago. Damn Damn Damn. It's always sunny in California, aren't you due for a visit?

[JT Brooklyn]

Ya never knows does ya?

 

"Life is a Crapshoot"! So hanging out with the "Working Guys" really can be no dfferent! Except maybe for the Rates!

[Romann]

Loved the last line! Thank you for the laugh!

 

All the Guys I have met except maybe 2 have showed a little class and have waited til the Door Closed before counting!

 

The Rates now Averaging out to $250 AN HOUR and alot of the "Top Tier" or so they think Guys not Discounting the 2nd Hour..As far as I am concerned their TIP has been included by THEM!