Counting Money and Tipping

[jackcali]

In the "Minneapolis: Escorts Beware" thread started by smalltownjohn, there's a discussion of whether escorts should count the money before leaving to make sure they're not being shortchanged. Personally, I've got nothing against counting in front of me AFTER the session, but I am put off if money is asked for up front.

 

Anyway, that's not my question. One of the reasons I don't mind the escort counting the money in front of me is because I almost always give a tip on top of the agreed-upon rate and I like the extra smile and warmth I get when he realizes it. I'm just wondering how common tipping is. Anyone care to comment?

[uwsman2]

counting

 

Actually, I'd prefer if the escort would count the money before I leave... because of a recent incident in which I slipped up, miscounted, and mistakenly shorted my favorite escort. I received a phone call from him about an hour after I left his apartment (amazing that he waited an hour to count, but undoubtedly he trusted me, as I always gave him an envelope while leaving with the money in it, which always in the past had been his fee plus a tip). I've felt guilty ever since, especially because he said "don't worry, you can give it to me next time we meet" and I've been cash short the last few months and haven't booked another session. I plan to do so at the first opportunity, and will remind him that I owe him the extra bucks. Now, if he had counted before I left, this would not have happened.

[billhu]

Counting is Good

 

I too almost always tip and I love the expression on the guy's face when he gets to his fee and realizes there is more. Plus I get a great hug and extra kiss. If no tip I like to see him realize "maybe there coulda been extra, damn shoulda given a bit more". I too do not like it done up front and when he insists I always say here's 90% go for the 10% and a tip! Bill

[JT Brooklyn]

Tips Included!

 

All the Guys I have met except maybe 2 have showed a little class and have waited til the Door Closed before counting!

 

The Rates now Averaging out to $250 AN HOUR and alot of the "Top Tier" or so they think Guys not Discounting the 2nd Hour..As far as I am concerned their TIP has been included by THEM!

[Guest Musclestudoh]

Counting the fee

 

I realize this thread really has two topics. Counting the fee and tipping but my comment is on counting the fee.

 

My thoughts are that if I ever feel the need to count the fee after the session, while my client is still in the room, then there was an error in my judgment in agreeing to meet. I have as much communication as necessary upfront to ensure that there is an element of trust with clear expectations. Get the "business" out of the way before ever meeting that way the session never "feels" like business. In fact when the time is over I handle the money as little as possible or ask that it just be put to the side. It feels impersonal and can even bring back into reality (for some) that this was actually a business transaction and I try to minimize that feeling as much as possible. I ONLY count the fee if the client persists.

 

Twice I have been shorted and twice the client came immediately back to correct the oversight. Counting the money while the client is still there can potentially add a sour note to an otherwise great experience. It isn't worth a few dollars to question someones integrity.

 

If an escort asks for the fee upfront it could be because they have been shorted in the past, are new or inexperienced, or could be a hustler. If you are concerned about how the fee should be handled then ask prior to meeting so that it won't be an issue when you meet.

 

Bottom line is know your escort and know your client.

[gp0560]

Counting and Tipping

 

I realize this thread really has two topics. Counting the fee and tipping but my comment is on counting the fee.

 

On counting -- In my situation, I hire only the best reviewed guys, because I bring them to my home town, always for a least a day. Now, if the guy is that well-known and that well-reviewed, I have no worries about his trustworthiness. But paying at the end spoils the time for me, so I count the money out with him at the very beginning of the visit. Then we can focus on what he came for.

 

That brings us to tipping -- What is the current attitude on this? A while back, I think the Forum-istas concurred that the better escorts had the experience to set their prices appropriately and did not feel shorted if they didn't get a tip. And if they're that good, I certainly would be inclined to tip, but don't want to overdo it. Does that still hold true? What about "tipping" in the form of gifts or special treats?

 

Advice and comments welcomed here.

[+ azdr0710]

currently, I'm only meeting with guys I've seen before, so there's no mention of money at all and I pay them at the end....we both trust each other by now.....

 

but communication is most important...politely tell your guy, beforehand, that you'll pay him in an envelope at the end of the meet....don't discuss money at all during the meet...

 

tipping: one guy I see likes tuna, so I give him several "upscale" cans of tuna from Trader Joe's....another guy has strong opinions about local grocery stores, so I give him a gift card from his local favorite....

[Guest TNT Ted]

My thoughts are that if I ever feel the need to count the fee after the session, while my client is still in the room, then there was an error in my judgment in agreeing to meet.

 

Bottom line is know your escort and know your client.

 

Thank you, Sean. I admire and completely agree with your approach. The practice of paying up front and counting money (one escort says he counts it twice!!) totally turns me off.

 

As Kevin Slater stated in the other thread on this subject, every business expects to lose a certain percentage to bad accounts and should build that eventuality into its prices. He also suggested that paying up front lessened the likelihood of tips, and that in the long run, tips probably outweigh underpayments.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Canned Goods?

 

I dont quite see canned goods as a tip. More like a handout from the foodbank!

 

[/i]

currently, I'm only meeting with guys I've seen before, so there's no mention of money at all and I pay them at the end....we both trust each other by now.....

 

but communication is most important...politely tell your guy, beforehand, that you'll pay him in an envelope at the end of the meet....don't discuss money at all during the meet...

 

tipping: one guy I see likes tuna, so I give him several "upscale" cans of tuna from Trader Joe's....another guy has strong opinions about local grocery stores, so I give him a gift card from his local favorite....

[+ Axiom2001]

Thank you, Sean. I admire and completely agree with your approach. The practice of paying up front and counting money (one escort says he counts it twice!!) totally turns me off.

 

As Kevin Slater stated in the other thread on this subject, every business expects to lose a certain percentage to bad accounts and should build that eventuality into its prices. He also suggested that paying up front lessened the likelihood of tips, and that in the long run, tips probably outweigh underpayments.

 

I like and concur what others have cited in the above quotes. Personally, I abhor watching an escort count his fee in front of me. I have the money all ready for him (either in or not in an envelope) and place it sensually into his hand. Usually the escort has given me another "hot" kiss as well as thanks!

 

When one of my favorite escorts began counting at one time, I commented about it; he no longer does this.

[KMEM]

There is nothing cool about watching anyone count money for a service provided. However, most people pay by check, credit card or bank transfer of one description or another for "ordinary" services. So, there has to be some leeway granted to both sides of a transaction such as pay for "personal" services.

 

Clients who have a relationship with escorts that is long standing and never hourlies might have developed their own mutually agreeable method of payment or not, as the case may be.

 

Regardless, a little communication before hand can solve a multitude of potential problems. Everyone! Have a little discretion. Escorts, count your money immediately but not in sight of the client. Clients, count your money twice before tendering it.

 

Also, please, those last minute personal moments are best part of the "experience" not a "final" reward for over paying or whatever. Try to have them before the payment.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[JT Brooklyn]

Legal vs Illegal

 

Except for One Little Matter..Not ALL "Personal Services" are LEGAL!

[Guest boiworship08]

Like Brooklyn Guy, I've only had maybe three guys count at first. I had a hard time maintaining my excitement afterwards and rushed the session, imagining that I was with someone else the whole time. Since I book two-hour sessions, I certainly didn't get my money's worth. I couldn't wait to get them out the door and never saw them again, even though they texted me and wanted to get together. It's so rare that I just wrote it off. I only miscounted once and the guy sweetly called me back and told me in a nice way. I told him to come back and we settled. It wasn't at all embarrassing. Since I usually choose well, even those just starting, I find that I see them multiple times and the money thing is discreet and not even noticeable. It's always on the table in plain view. I've been really lucky.

[whipped guy]

Two quick stories

 

Once there was a snafu with the safe in my hotel room. Long story… the battery died and the safe was stuck in the locked position and could not be opened. To further complicate matters, hotel security (shoot if they only knew for what purpose the cash as intended!!!) could not locate a new battery until shortly before the appointed time of my session. Fortunately a different battery was located which was subsequently jury-rigged to allow the safe to function properly. I relayed the story to the working guy thinking that he would consider it entertaining or at least somewhat humorous. Well I was actually taken aback by his response. He said point blank, “If you didn’t have access to the money I would have been out of here in an instant!” Well he might have done that indeed… but given the situation where the problem had been solved I considered his reaction more than a bit tacky… and especially in light of the fact that I was not a first time client. To add insult to injury he counted the money before he left... That was the last time I ever saw him…

 

 

Another anecdote: One indication that you thoroughly enjoyed yourself… The guy is halfway out the door and you even forgot that he had to be paid… It happened once and I felt like a total idiot… but the guy never said anything. He simply kept the conversation going until I came back to reality.

[Guest chibear]

Money handling is always awkward and seem to do it at the end of the session, either in an envelope or tucking it into a pocket with a good bye kiss. Tipping? I have been using one escort on a regular basis for a few years, gives me a great rate which I appreciate. I add an extra $100 in. First couple of times he was very thankful. But it like he expects it now, no word of thanks, no mention of it. Needless to say, the practice will stop. Don't need to be thanked every time, but a mention now and again of appreciation of the extra money would go a long way.

[jackcali]

Thanks for your input. The reason I asked is that I was brought up being told that you tipped employees of the enterprise you were doing business with (so you'd tip waitstaff at a restaurant or the guy who filled your tank with gas and washed your windshield -- back in the day that gas stations were full serve, lol), but that you didn't tip people if you were paying them directly (so you wouldn't tip a plumber who came to your house).

 

Escorts clearly fit into the latter category, but I still feel that if I've had a good experience I want to show that. On the other hand, sometimes I feel I'm being stupid for paying more than what's expected. And, as someone mentions below, once you tip with someone who you're going to see regularly, you're kind of stuck with paying the higher amount.

 

So, I'm all over the map on this issue, and guess I'll make decisions at the spur of the moment. Probably not a good idea but . . .

 

I appreciate everyone's advice and input.

[lrbigdicktaker]

I only tip escorts if there fee is $200/hr or below. If they are above $200, I assume the have added their own tip. If I have an overnight that is $1000 or less, I will sometimes leave a tip if I get the boy friend experience (BFE). Anything over $1000 is over rated.

[JT Brooklyn]

Oh Yeah Right!

 

Once there was a snafu with the safe in my hotel room. Long story… the battery died and the safe was stuck in the locked position and could not be opened. To further complicate matters, hotel security (shoot if they only knew for what purpose the cash as intended!!!) could not locate a new battery until shortly before the appointed time of my session. Fortunately a different battery was located which was subsequently jury-rigged to allow the safe to function properly. I relayed the story to the working guy thinking that he would consider it entertaining or at least somewhat humorous. Well I was actually taken aback by his response. He said point blank, “If you didn’t have access to the money I would have been out of here in an instant!” Well he might have done that indeed… but given the situation where the problem had been solved I considered his reaction more than a bit tacky… and especially in light of the fact that I was not a first time client. To add insult to injury he counted the money before he left... That was the last time I ever saw him…

 

 

Another anecdote: One indication that you thoroughly enjoyed yourself… The guy is halfway out the door and you even forgot that he had to be paid… It happened once and I felt like a total idiot… but the guy never said anything. He simply kept the conversation going until I came back to reality.

Funny your Anecdote has happened to me a few times! But do to MY Charming ways I always got a response of "Oh Yeah Right"! Did I feel like an Idiot? Not at all when the "Working Guy" found it a non-issue!

[cmennow]

Very Interesting

 

I see someone on a regular basis and don't necessarily feel the need to tip because when I look at the amount that has been exchanged over time, it could be considered a salary. The regular guy that I see is always appreciative of our established rate and always gives me his absolute best during our session. I think the "tip" is that I am pretty dependable and can be counted on as one of his regular clients considering this is all he does. For someone that I see once or infrequently, I don't usually feel the need to tip if you are paying someone over $200 an hour. That's a good job to have already why would you need a tip? You should be giving your best just cause not doing it to get a tip.

 

As far as the counting issue, I deal with the same escorts and we have established the trust. There is no need to count in front of me because I know the rate and usually have it seperated in a pocket by itself. I usually just hand it to them while we are making our afterwards conversation. When meeting a new escort, I have found that if the money is exchanged prior to service, they usually do not meet my expectation and there is no repeating. On the otherhand with my regular "friend", I can pay him ahead of time just to get that piece of business out of the way and still will receive the quality that he is known for giving.

[jackcali]

I see the issues as different. I think that if the escort asks for money up front it destroys the atmosphere because it introduces a lack of trust at exactly the time when the escort and client are trying to establish a connection. As someone commented, it ruins the whole experience.

 

On the other hand, when the client isn't a regular of the escort, I don't see any problem with the escort counting the money before the client is gone. After all, he may never see the client again. If they're regulars, then there's the opportunity to correct a mistake.

[jackcali]

Ha! Once I kissed my guy goodbye (he wasn't a professional escort, but we had an arrangement), opened the door to his apartment and, just as it closed behind me, I heard "What, no generosity today?" Of course, I waited in the hall while he came and opened the door. I felt like a complete idiot.

[Ivan]

To tip a regular escort seen on an ongoing basis

 

I see someone on a regular basis and don't necessarily feel the need to tip because when I look at the amount that has been exchanged over time, it could be considered a salary. The regular guy that I see is always appreciative of our established rate and always gives me his absolute best during our session. I think the "tip" is that I am pretty dependable and can be counted on as one of his regular clients considering this is all he does.

 

And in another response, someone said "once you tip with someone who you're going to see regularly, you're kind of stuck with paying the higher amount."

 

Both the responses above have made me think some about how I tip my regular guy, who I've been seeing over two years. OTOH, he always outdoes himself (and I am always pushing into new territory, we do not have a "standard" evening) and I want to tip him to show my appreciation. His fees are definitely in the middle range so not extravagant. OTOH, he is meticulous about how he calculates the exact amount (his system is a bit complicated and I frequently need an explanation). OTOH, I have given him gifts of sex toys we've used or books we've talked about, so these can be considered a tip, and when we travel we stay in nice places and eat out well, and I've paid for things like $25 afterdinner Scotches. (He has never asked for an expensive restaurent, he is happy with whatever I choose -- but I like a classy place because the guy is top notch and I want him to enjoy himself on a working session extending over several days.) OTOH, I always pay for everything when he is with me (which is the usual approach) and he has never in two years made an attempt to pay for anything, even a Starbucks -- the only guy who hasn't made some attempt to pick up something as a token when we have traveled. Oi, I've run out of hands.

 

In case you hadn't guessed, the tip thing sometimes leaves me confused. However, I do NOT feel obligated to tip every time, even for a guy like this who is a true professional and consistent in his sexual interactions and desire to please me. When I hand him the envelope (which he does not count in my presence), I always hand him the tip separately and always say how much I appreciate his efforts and how great and over the top the time was (he is inventive, always hard, superb in his technique, and always meets my requests) -- I want him to get the message, and he does and is verbally and sincerely appreciative. However, even if the sex has been super (as it always has been), if some of the interpersonal time has gone rougly or other minor issues that have been irritants but not showstoppers, I have not tipped -- not tipping indicates that he delivered but the session was not as exceptional as other times. I think the message gets through. (To his credit, this guy does not seem to expect a tip.)

[lookin4hotties]

I almost never tip unless what the escort wants is far below normal

prices. However, I often enjoy giving him a small gift when we meet

and also often give traveling escorts another parting gift to remember

me by or I'll take him shopping. Also, like a few others also do, I pay

for everything (luxury hotel, nice meals, drinks, etc.) I'm also willing

to make a special trip or call someone if he needs anything 24 hrs/day.

Other than that, his usual fee or a price that we've both agreed to in

advance is what I pay. Not a penny more or less.

 

Lots of other people tip, I just like to have a special time and then

pay his set price, given all the extras I've thrown in, including whatever

he's requested after the session or for a traveling escort during his trip.

 

Lookin4hotties

[JT Brooklyn]

Client Perks!

 

Lookin..I'm sure with all the "Perks" of hanging out with you most TIPS pale in comparison!

[Bart]

Long term meetings and tipping

 

I usually hire for either 3 hour meetings or overnights. I agree with the notion that if the guy offers no discount for multiple hours than I figure tips included. Otherwise I would normally give $50 for 3 hours, I gave extra $100 once to each guy in a three-way that was exceptional. I do look at a couple of things, first how good of a time did I have, second how many times did each of us cum and what was the rate.

 

For guys I have met multiple times or regular, I dont tip but I do get a gift card or special gift for his birthday and Christmas.

 

I do find it great when an escort on a longer meeting like an overnight does buy a meal. A good percentage of the guys I have been with have done that but a few, the thought does not cross their mind.