day 12/10 with a gay masseur+tipping

[Guest endoman31]

One of my usual guys. New location....a room in an office building set up as a massage room. No shower available.

 

Usual massage. He does a prostate massage and penetrates.

 

I had never tipped him before but as we exited the building he remarked that I was the third person in a row who did not tip him.

 

I remember a whole slew of notes here regarding tipping.

 

He then discussed the economy as being part of the issue. And I know that he is hurting for lack of business. ALL the masseurs are. It is a truly luxury item; and when times are tough the luxury has to go.

 

;(

[+ Axiom2001]

When I am forking out $80 to $100 for a massage, I DO NOT tip regardless of how well the masseur performed.

 

In hiring escorts I DEFINITELY DO NOT tip either because how many blokes out there (in regular jobs) earn $200 to $350 or more per day let alone per hour.

 

Now when I was employed as a professional, I earned $385+ per day, but that was after I'd worked for some 35 or more years!

 

DO NOT tip if you do not feel the need to do so; also, hun, don't feel bad about it! Just thank the guy and tell him that you enjoyed and appreciated the services which he'd extended, namely to masseurs. For escorts we kiss a little; I smile and state that I enjoyed our time together. :-)

[Guest zipperzone]

I agree totally. One should only feel obligated to tip for a service if the one providing the service is an employee of someone else.

 

For example: If I'm getting my hair cut and the person cutting my hair is working for the salon, he/she gets a tip because they only get a percentage of the fee and a portion goes to the owner. But if it is the owner doing the cutting, he gets it all anyway - so no tip.

 

A freelance masseur is working for himself and does not have to fork over a percentage to an owner, therefor he does not qualify for a tip IMO.

[+ Italiano]

>One of my usual guys. New location....a room in an office

>building set up as a massage room. No shower available.

>

>Usual massage. He does a prostate massage and penetrates.

>

 

 

And who is this kinky masseur?...:9

[+ g56whiz]

Come on guys. Massage or escort: it's a service business and you're paying the going rate for the service you want. If, on the other hand, you get service greater than you expected, a tip really is appropriate.

[RockHard]

RE: Gay cheapos, YUCK!

 

"I agree totally (with not tipping). One should only feel obligated to tip for a service if the one providing the service is an employee of someone else."

 

This sounds to me like a cheap justification from a cheap fag. Gay non-tippers are selfish pigs, in my humble opinion. (It's no wonder why some like to eat shit off a plate.)

 

I think the American tradition of cash tipping is tacky but I continue to tip in America because it is a tradition, one with centuries of precedence and one that is greatly appreciated by the recipients.

 

An intelligent gay man knows that if he goes to a beauty salon (outside a cosmopolitan city) and gets his hair cut by the owner, and the owner employs ten other haircutters, it's possible the owner might not accept tips. This is often based on whether the owner charges more than his employees, which is often an assumption but rarely the truth in Manhattan. Given the rotation and demand of "star" stylists these days, I doubt most owners are commanding the highest prices. So this "owner doesn't accept tips" issue is becoming a myth. (If it isn't already a downright lie.)

 

Owners of restaurants almost never "serve" you at your table unless you're dining in Europe. As an American, I still leave a tip.

 

Massage therapists accept tips no matter who owns the spa. Manicurists, pedicurists, facialists, too, because services tend to come at a set fee, regardless of who's performing the service.

 

Massage therapists who offer sexual release CANNOT be employed by a licensed spa business, which means they MUST ACCEPT their self-employed status. They have no choice. ALL OVERHEAD COSTS are the responsibility of the self-employed massage therapist. Good luck finding one who can afford his own single-payer health insurance.

 

A 75-minute massage at Bliss Spa will cost you $150 as you share the company of hundreds of high-pitched women. It will not come with an erection release and no one will touch your ass hole. You can't even expect a nice looking gay therapist. Plan on adding 4% service tax. Good luck with the ramifications of not leaving a 20% tip. Bliss Spa's prices are about average for Manhattan. There are plenty of places that charge much more and offer the same limitations.

 

IMO, gay men who go cheap are the worst. I don't like cheap straight-ees much, either. You get what you give.

[+ Axiom2001]

>I agree totally. One should only feel obligated to tip for a

>service if the one providing the service is an employee of

>someone else.

>

>For example: If I'm getting my hair cut and the person cutting

>my hair is working for the salon, he/she gets a tip because

>they only get a percentage of the fee and a portion goes to

>the owner. But if it is the owner doing the cutting, he gets

>it all anyway - so no tip.

>

>A freelance masseur is working for himself and does not have

>to fork over a percentage to an owner, therefor he does not

>qualify for a tip IMO.

 

 

 

Your response is highly applauded; the venom that came after you wrote your take on the subject is far from necessary, especially when the writer wrote "...in my humble opinion..." as if to soften his harsh take on the subject. It's one thing to present a point of view; it's also another when one voices it in such a vile manner.

 

No matter what one writes about tipping, it is still her or his prerogative to tip or not to tip.

 

I rarely if ever tip when I take out food from a restaurant. It's as if the employees are pleading or begging for tips when I see that "container" on the counter!

But, on the other hand, when I am served in a restaurant and the service is exemplary, a tip of 15 to 20% is left. But again these waitpersons are not asking for or making $80 to $300 per hour for their initial employment or work either, and they are working for someone else.

[+ Axiom2001]

>When I am forking out $80 to $100 for a massage, I DO NOT tip

>regardless of how well the masseur performed.

>

>In hiring escorts I DEFINITELY DO NOT tip either because how

>many blokes out there (in regular jobs) earn $200 to $350 or

>more per day let alone per hour.

>

>Now when I was employed as a professional, I earned $385+ per

>day, but that was after I'd worked for some 35 or more years!

>

 

 

 

 

>DO NOT tip if you do not feel the need to do so; also, hun,

>don't feel bad about it! Just thank the guy and tell him that

>you enjoyed and appreciated the services which he'd extended,

>namely to masseurs. For escorts we kiss a little; I smile and

>state that I enjoyed our time together. :-)

 

Ditto to the above paragraph. Ditto to the above paragraph. I do not in most cases tip a self-employed person: painter, window washer, escort, and masseur. That's all that I can remember, now.

 

I do tip my pedicurist, manicurist, barber, newpaper delivery (hot man), waitpersons (when the service warrants it, which seemingly has always been), taxi drivers who've helped me with my luggage, etc.....

[Guest zipperzone]

RE: Gay cheapos, YUCK!

 

Good God - you blether on like a demented fool - isn't there a pill you can take to prevent verbal diarrhea?

 

>This sounds to me like a cheap justification from a cheap fag.

>Gay non-tippers are selfish pigs, in my humble opinion. (It's

>no wonder why some like to eat shit off a plate.)

 

Not that you would give a damn but I am NOT cheap. I just believe in being realistic about how I spend my $$$. And I'm not a fag either. I'm a cocksucker par excellence, some might even consider me to be a homosexual, but fag? I think not. Fags are those idiots who spend their lives seeking out custom made knickers at 100 bucks a throw.

 

>I think the American tradition of cash tipping is tacky but I

>continue to tip in America because it is a tradition.

 

Well who better to know than you, who wrote the book on tacky.

 

>An intelligent gay man knows that if he goes to a beauty salon

>(outside a cosmopolitan city) and gets his hair cut by the

>owner, and the owner employs ten other haircutters, it's

>possible the owner might not accept tips. This is often based

>on whether the owner charges more than his employees, which is

>often an assumption but rarely the truth in Manhattan. Given

>the rotation and demand of "star" stylists these

>days, I doubt most owners are commanding the highest prices.

>So this "owner doesn't accept tips" issue is

>becoming a myth. (If it isn't already a downright lie.)

 

How would you know all this. Surely you don't need to take your rug into get it cut. Just vacuum it once a month and you'll look real spiffy.

 

>Massage therapists accept tips no matter who owns the spa.

>Manicurists, pedicurists, facialists, too, because services

>tend to come at a set fee, regardless of who's performing the

>service.

 

I wasn't referring to those who work at a spa, dummy.

 

>Massage therapists who offer sexual release CANNOT be employed

>by a licensed spa business.

 

Shows how little you know - who do you think is watching after the door is closed? J. Edgar Hoover?

 

>A 75-minute massage at Bliss Spa will cost you $150 as you

>share the company of hundreds of high-pitched women. It will

>not come with an erection release and no one will touch your

>ass hole. You can't even expect a nice looking gay therapist.

>Plan on adding 4% service tax. Good luck with the

>ramifications of not leaving a 20% tip. Bliss Spa's prices are

>about average for Manhattan. There are plenty of places that

>charge much more and offer the same limitations.

 

Yada yada yada. Since when were we discussing Bliss.

 

>IMO, gay men who go cheap are the worst.

 

Not necessarily. Gay, opinionated jerk-offs like you are by far the worst.

[Guest zipperzone]

>I do tip taxi drivers who've helped me with

>my luggage,

 

Where the hell do you find those these days?

[RockHard]

RE: Gay cheapos, YUCK!

 

Serving [a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfT9HjgEHuc] shit on a plate[/a] for you, dear.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Gay cheapos, YUCK!

 

Really, Rockhard, that was beneath you. You do a good job making your point, and then you do something like that. Not classy at all.

[Guest zipperzone]

RE: Gay cheapos, YUCK!

 

>Serving [a

>href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfT9HjgEHuc]

>shit on a plate[/a] for you, dear.

 

Rumour has it that you like yours with a dollop of horseradish.

[Guest ReturnOfS]

When an escort starts charging more than $200/hr, I assume that the price already includes tip.

[+ beethoven]

Tipping, whether it's a doorman at Christmas, a waiter, or a taxe driver, always elicits lots of comments. Some of them are needlessly harsh, as we've seen here.

I don't tip masseurs, as they charge a lot to begin with. If I like what they do, I reward them by coming back in a few weeks or a month.

Also, many people only tip people who work for someone else, such as waiters. If a person is in business for himself (such a masseur),he keeps all the receipts, and doesn't share them with anyone else. If a masseur wants to raise his rates, he can. A waiter can't ask the restaurant to charge more.

I've noticed that some masseurs have lowered their rates in this economy. One of my favorite masseurs here in New York has lowered his rate from $200/hr. to $160. At $200/hr, I limit my visits, and I'll probably see him a bit more often at the new rate. But that's still a lot, and I don't plan to tip.

 

beethoven

[Guest scortlovr]

I only believe in tipping an escort (or masseur) if he's hired through an agency because a portion of the fee goes to the agent. Otherwise, I don't see why I should add a tip when the total amount goes to the escort or masseur free and clear.

 

There is only one exception to that rule, when I once hired a masseur and the session turned into a totally hot, unexpected (on both sides it seemed) sexual experience, better than any I had ever had with an escort. I figured that in that particular case the masseur deserved an escort's fee and I added an extra $100.- for which, to this day, I never figured out whether he was grateful or embarrassed . . .

[best hotel]

my approach is as follows:..extra time or service equals extra compensation...if the escort or masseur has gone beyond the service, in either time or attempts to give pleasure, then a tip is absolutely warranted.....from what you described, the prostate massage may have been special, ...if so, then tip....also, many escorts spend extra time cuddling and chatting after sex.....without charging extra...or they might reveal personal information in a frank or emotionally intimate discussion..or show some kindness or caring about something we discussed in a previous session..under these circumstances, i tip...

[guyfouryou]

Yeah, I'm with best hotel on this one: I tip when I get good/extra service. Recently was with an escort who charged me an hour rate but we went for 2 plus nice conversation afterward! Obviously we clicked but I couldn't walk away without showing some appreciation! He texted me to thank me for the tip which was a nice touch on his part and makes me want to go back. Having said that, the bar has raised for what I consider good/extra service...

[josephga]

i agree with best hotel too. I notice that those who work in the service industry tend to tip better than the average client. I have a few clients that do hair for a living and will normally tip me 50%. When I go out to dinner or get a hair cut I will give a very large time as well. I think those of us in the service industry feel that its karma if we tip well it will come back..