Alert!! Rio Beach Boy threatened me after dining with me at Maxims

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P.S. In the past, Maxim's has had house security men to help keep out the bad apples. If they've stopped doing that, they ought to rethink that. With high season starting, they need to keep their place safe for customers.

[ad rian]

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>Still, you don't OWE anything to all the desperate people you

>run across. If you wish to help someone out of your own free

>will, that's fine, but there's no obligation to give someone

>money just because he asks you for it. Do you feel obligated

>to give money to panhandlers here in the U.S.? I don't think

>so. It's the same abroad. Just because the person hitting

>you up for money is better-looking/better-dressed than the

>average street person doesn't change the situation. It's

>strictly your choice as to whether you want to give them

>something or not. You certainly shouldn't have to deal with

>being assaulted, either by an aggressive panhandler or an

>aggressive hustler.

 

Do you really often invite panhandlers to dine with you when you are at home in your own home town? At the risk of being accused of beig hateful or idiotic, I will say again that if you engage in behaviour travelling abroad that you would not engage in at home, do not be surprised if the same adverse consequences that would occur here, occur there. That is a simple rule of thumb I live by, and am happy to report that I have no negative travel experiences to report in Rio or elsewhere.

 

I simply don't have sympathy for people who put themselves in these positions, and then complain about the "unsafeness" of the city they are travelling in. It is precisely these kind of cheap and stupid tourists who have made it so difficult to get "friends" into the better hotels in Rio without checking them in. Those hotels will tell you, if you ask, that they don't want stupid clients to create these kind of scenes that will discomfort their more discrete customers. It's a shame that a few bad apples must spoil it for the rest of us.

[trilingual]

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Yawn! :o

[trilingual]

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P.S. By the way, I think I've figured something out about Auntie Semitic. When he goes on about the Plaza Athenée, he's not talking about a hotel in Paris. It's the name of the planet he lives on! Clearly, it's located in some alternate universe where the rules are all different. I wonder how he ever found an Earth-based ISP?

[+ glutes]

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>P.S. By the way, I think I've figured something out about

>Auntie Semitic. When he goes on about the Plaza Athenée, he's

>not talking about a hotel in Paris. It's the name of the

>planet he lives on! Clearly, it's located in some

>alternate universe where the rules are all different. I

>wonder how he ever found an Earth-based ISP?

 

Well I agree, since Ad rian /Adrian/Add ryan is soo unpleasant here on Earth, I'm going to get the transporter ready to beam him back to the Planet of Athenee.

[xchris]

education and diversities

 

I often read this threads, and after enlarging my knowledge of what happens around the worls I often enlarge my knowledge of how different people act.

 

Diversity is a value.

 

We see different cusine around the world, different cultures and different manners. And that's why we enjoy that all.

Even if I understand AdRian desire to cut any differencies between brazilian and american boys or hustlers, somehow I must remember that just the differencies between intruments are able to produce a great concert. We cannot have only ONE note all around.

Diversity is a value. And that's why we enjoy that all.

Simply these already exist.

AND we must be prepared to live in sinchrony with diversities.

AND we must be prepared in understanding why and where these diversities take place.

And we are free to decide if we want to take advantage of it (which I desagree), or to slow down our proud superiority and take some inevitable risk sometimes, considering that just suffering we can write a clearer experience inside ourselves.

 

And, also, I understand that it is not hìjust the money that can solve a situation. It is education what lacks most of the times...

 

Anyway, weather we are facing a battle between people or civilizations trying to get more space against others, I'm happy to discuss the way to protect the safeness of both the parts (deciding to wich I want to belong) while the experiences are in progress.

 

(Sorry, it sounds so cryptic to read the translation of my italic thoughts... But I hope someone could appreciate my effort to give a contribute, after having had so good help and advices)

 

Ciao

Chris

[ad rian]

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>Even if I understand AdRian desire to cut any differencies

>between brazilian and american boys or hustlers, somehow I

>must remember that just the differencies between intruments

>are able to produce a great concert. We cannot have only ONE

>note all around.

>Diversity is a value. And that's why we enjoy that all.

 

I am in total agreement with you, but if in the name of diversity you invite a panhandler to dine in Brazil but not at home, don't be surprised that you have the diverse experience of being cheated and mugged. It's about choice and responsibility. If you make an irresponsible choice, please don't slander a great city in the name of "diversity".

[duke37]

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>

>

>We see different cusine around the world, different cultures

>and different manners. And that's why we enjoy that all.

>Even if I understand AdRian desire to cut any differencies

>between brazilian and american boys or hustlers, somehow I

>must remember that just the differencies between intruments

>are able to produce a great concert. We cannot have only ONE

>note all around.

>Diversity is a value. And that's why we enjoy that all.

>Simply these already exist.

>AND we must be prepared to live in sinchrony with

>diversities.

>AND we must be prepared in understanding why and where these

>diversities take place.

>And we are free to decide if we want to take advantage of it

>(which I desagree), or to slow down our proud superiority and

>take some inevitable risk sometimes, considering that just

>suffering we can write a clearer experience inside

>ourselves.

>

>And, also, I understand that it is not hìjust the money that

>can solve a situation. It is education what lacks most of the

>times...

>

>Anyway, weather we are facing a battle between people or

>civilizations trying to get more space against others, I'm

>happy to discuss the way to protect the safeness of both the

>parts (deciding to wich I want to belong) while the

>experiences are in progress.

>

>(Sorry, it sounds so cryptic to read the translation of my

>italic thoughts... But I hope someone could appreciate my

>effort to give a contribute, after having had so good help and

>advices)

>

>Ciao

>Chris

>

>

 

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying Chris. But I gotta say one thing...the way you talk is totally HOT! grin thanks

 

I'm sure pesky things like facts wont affect some of the posters on this thread but take a chance and reread alphadogtx original post.

 

He never slams Rio in anyway. He just warns single guys to be careful inviting guys to sit with you at restaurants. I think that piece of advice would be valid anywhere?

 

In any case thanks for posting Chris, just kidding ya know, I really think you made some good points.

 

Jeff

[+ Axiom2001]

Adrian, "FUCK OFF!"

[ad rian]

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>I'm sure pesky things like facts wont affect some of the

>posters on this thread but take a chance and reread alphadogtx

>original post.

 

Well, this is a serious mattter because when tourists act in a stupid way and then complain about an unsafe city that hurts Brazil. That's unfair. My only point is that if the original poster here had not acted in the way he did, there would be no need to tell a story of the kind that he did. That, my friend, is another pesky fact!

[ad rian]

>Adrian, "FUCK OFF!"

 

Are you as cute as you are eloquent?

[+ Lucky]

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But if he hadn't acted the way he did, adrian and tri would not have had yet another opportunity to claw at each other over and over! What fun would that have been?

[+ glutes]

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Well I'm all for diversity! I'm not for bitchy-ness when it come to someone giving a warning to fellow members here...

[xchris]

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The virus of replaying extended his contagious over me, too...

 

Well, AdRian is correct when he says that if you don't act wrong, you will not complain for a wrong consequence.

And thanks Jeff for the emotions you tribute to my way of writing.

 

And about inviting someone to dine in Brazil or at home... I'm going to begin my experience soon.

I invited the friend I met in Brazil to spend a month in Italy.

Everytime I decided to pay for solving a problem like distance, differences of age or economic possibilities, I had many surprises.

Never the things was like I had intended before. But I would have never learnt so much if I didn't (do these experiences).

 

So I know I must risk to provoke a change around (and with) me. I must act somehow (safe in my hope) if I want to give my little contribute. That's why I went to Brazil, for example. Deciding to meet boys I didn't know before, after having took a look at other tourist's experiences. This I mean useful from this thread.

 

Anf for a deeper knowledge, I consider useful exchanging ideas.

Thanks to evryone of you.

 

Ciao

CHRIS

[+ Axiom2001]

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Amen to you, glutes! I am totally in agreement with you. It is unfortunate that one individual who reponds much too often and always argumentatively refuses to acknowledge the real intent of some of these posts on this particular board.

 

As one of my resolutions for this upcoming year twelve days from now, I DEFINITELY MUST avoid anything that has been typed by him. I will be doing immense justice to myself to skip the drivel...

[ad rian]

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>Amen to you, glutes! I am totally in agreement with you. It

>is unfortunate that one individual who reponds much too often

>and always argumentatively refuses to acknowledge the real

>intent of some of these posts on this particular board.

 

This is not an issue of diversity, rather it is an issue of having common sense and using it. Had the original poster used it, he would not have had to stereotype Rio as an unsafe city. I repeat, it is tourists like him who are ruining Rio for the rest of us.

 

And BTW, neither you nor anyone else can dictate the responses that will be generated to any given post in any given thread. The fact that you seem incapable or unwilling to fathom that others might disagree with you notwithstanding your own professed inntent, speaks volumes to your own lack of emotional development and/or maturity. Hey, Ax, just how often do you respond here, and why do you think your posts are more useful or welcome or appropriate than those who disagree with you?

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

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>Do you really often invite panhandlers to dine with you when

>you are at home in your own home town? At the risk of being

>accused of beig hateful or idiotic, I will say again that if

>you engage in behaviour travelling abroad that you would not

>engage in at home, do not be surprised if the same adverse

>consequences that would occur here, occur there.

 

Ad rian, at this risk of coming under your wrath, I must say that I think your analogy here is flawed. He did not invite him to his "home," or in his case, his hotel. He was in a restaurant, minding his own business, when this guy approached HIM and asked him if it was OK for him to join him ... at his table ... in a restaurant. And I don't see how he did anything wrong. Was he a little naive? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think he learned something from this experience and just wanted to share it with the other members of this board. Isn't sharing the different experiences we all have what this board is about?

 

And just a side note:

 

My Godfather was a very kind, gentle, and giving man. When he was travelling on business, and homeless people or panhandlers would ask him for money, he wouldn't give it to them. He was afraid that they would spend it on booze or drugs that would just make their situations worse. But what he always did do was offer to buy them something to eat. And his offers were always accepted. And trust me, my Godfather (a straight, Christian, and faithfully married man) was neither expecting sex nor were they offering it. My Godfather was simply being kind to those who were down on their luck.

[ad rian]

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>Ad rian, at this risk of coming under your wrath, I must say

>that I think your analogy here is flawed. He did not invite

>him to his "home," or in his case, his hotel. He was in a

>restaurant, minding his own business, when this guy approached

>HIM and asked him if it was OK for him to join him ... at his

>table ... in a restaurant. And I don't see how he did

>anything wrong. Was he a little naive? Maybe. Maybe not.

>But I think he learned something from this experience and just

>wanted to share it with the other members of this board.

>Isn't sharing the different experiences we all have what this

>board is about?

 

I think it is more likely that I will come under the wrath of others than you coming under mine. I would have no question had the initial post said the following: "Guys, I was in Rio and did something really stupid. I sat down at a known pick up joint for hustlers, and let one sit and dine with me. I now ralize that if I knew that I did not want to pay for sex with him, I should have politely declined his offer to join me. I see now that my naivete led to a series of unfortunate and regrettable incidents involving the said hustler. I won't do that again, and I suggest that you also bear that in mind."

 

I just don't feel sorry for people who do things while travelling that they would not do at home. As for your distinction between the invitation to dine at home as opposed to in the restaurant, my question is well ok, would he have done the same in SE Washington? If not, why not? I suspect the answer would be because he would expect correctly that his action s would go down the same road as what happpened in Rio. I just get tired of having the actions of a few naive travellers lead to these kinds of stories about Rio. I find Rio to be very safe, but then again I would not do what this guy did.

[IamI2002]

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SOMEONE INVITE THEMSELVES -- Lollipop, did you pass English 101 at Carbondale? Obviously you course on BREVITY 202 was a total loss, butt (sic) SEMINAR on BOREDOM 669 was a hit.

 

Ciao, menina

[IamI2002]

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>P.S. By the way, I think I've figured something out about

>Auntie Semitic. When he goes on about the Plaza Athenée, he's

>not talking about a hotel in Paris. It's the name of the

>planet he lives on! Clearly, it's located in some

>alternate universe where the rules are all different. I

>wonder how he ever found an Earth-based ISP?

 

Beacause, naturally, NELLIE Auntie TRI, the impecunios government employee rules the board and is the ultimate authority on Brazilian male prostitution.

 

Get serious, clown !!

 

:+

[+ glutes]

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Ad rian / Add Ryan / Auntie Semetic: I now bestow a new name for you, 'CarpingQueen'. Why do you have to find fault, constantly??

If you are not happy with others, you probably aren't happy with yourself - get help.

RIO IS DANGEROUS!!! Johannesburg is childs play in comparison.

I was robbed at gunpoint my 3rd night there, in front of at least a dozen people while just walking down Avenida Copacabana. My friends were robbed two hours earlier at the same location, they hadn't met anyone who hadn't been robbed. Just because you haven't been a victim of crime there doesn't mean Rio is safe by any means, but then again you're from a different planet.

[trilingual]

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G-d only knows what IamToxic and Auntie Semitic from Planet Plaza Athenée are ranting on about in their parallel universe. They get more pathetic and incomprehensible with each posting. . .

 

Auntie Semitic demonstrates that the Rio he talks about in his alternative universe isn't the one the rest of us are familiar with. I doubt that any of us here on Earth invite panhandlers to sit down at our tables when we go to restaurants, but those of us who go to Maxim's in Rio are accustomed to escorts coming by and offering their company if we're sitting there alone. That's one of the chief raisons-d'être of the place (it certainly isn't the cuisine)! When a guy joins you at your table, sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesn't. Either way, you're under no obligation to the person who's invited himself to your table, except to be courteous and offer something to drink or eat. If things aren't clicking, it's perfectly fine to say you're not interested in anything else. The experienced, legitimate escorts will simply move on in search of a likely client. Alphadogtx just was unfortunate to run into someone inexperienced, or a con artist, or both. That's the exception, rather than the rule, at Maxim's, but it happens. However, if Auntie Semitic had ever actually been to Rio or Maxim's, he'd know that the management doesn't allow street people or panhandlers to come into the cafe, or at least does everything they can to limit that, including hiring their own security guards to keep people from molesting customers. However, if some good-looking guy who appears to be an escort shows up, they wouldn't assume he's a panhandler or someone who's there to threaten customers. In this case, I still consider them at fault for not helping Alphadog get rid of his unwelcome guest after he asked for assistance. After all, why else are they paying those security guards? I certainly hope they clean up their act, vet the "working boys" a bit more carefully, and start being more considerate of customers, or this will happen to other customers and people will start going elsewhere.

 

A tip: Get familiar with where the Polícia Militar kiosks are located along Av. Atlântica (there's one right across the street from Maxim's, or there was the last time I was in Rio). Make a mental note of whether they're staffed. If anyone runs into this situation, just head for the police kiosk and then ask for help. If the police don't understand English, ask for "polícia turistica." However, my guess is that as soon as you get anywhere near a cop your unwelcome guest will vanish.

[IamI2002]

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[ad rian]

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>RIO IS DANGEROUS!!! Johannesburg is childs play in

>comparison.

>I was robbed at gunpoint my 3rd night there, in front of at

>least a dozen people while just walking down Avenida

>Copacabana. My friends were robbed two hours earlier at the

>same location, they hadn't met anyone who hadn't been robbed.

>Just because you haven't been a victim of crime there doesn't

>mean Rio is safe by any means, but then again you're from a

>different planet.

 

Funny, I have never had a problem in either Rio or Joburg. Could it not be that you and your friends engage in conduct like the original poster and that I don't? Just because you have been a victim of crime there while engaging in naive and silly behaviour doesn't

>mean Rio is unsafe by any means.

 

BTW, are you finding fault with me? Could it be that you need help too? It looks that Tri has trained the regulars in this lounge very well. It is not permitted to disagree. Sorry, don't try to cheat hustlers, and they won't try to kill you. It is really just that simple.

[ad rian]

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>However, if some good-looking guy who appears to be an escort

>shows up, they wouldn't assume he's a panhandler or someone

>who's there to threaten customers. In this case, I still

>consider them at fault for not helping Alphadog get rid of his

>unwelcome guest after he asked for assistance. After all, why

>else are they paying those security guards? I certainly hope

>they clean up their act, vet the "working boys" a bit more

>carefully, and start being more considerate of customers, or

>this will happen to other customers and people will start

>going elsewhere.

 

Read the original post. He told us that he knew the purpose of the request, knew that he would not pay for sex with the individual, but still permitted the person to sit. That was stupid plain and simple. And my advice to people who go to Rio and do something that stupid, you may well suffer a similar fate. It seems to me that what happened here is that the restaurant seeing that the original poster voluntarilly permitted the individual to sit and dine by his own admission, did not see that it was necesary to forceably evict the individual after the fact, and certainly not for a 10R tip. But then again we know that 10R tip would be benerous in your eyes!