Alert!! Rio Beach Boy threatened me after dining with me at Maxims

[Guest alphadogtx]

I want to alert visitors to Rio to be extra careful about allowing random boys to come dine with you at Maxims if you are sitting alone. Last night, around midnight, after evening at Estacao, I was dining alone at Maxims when a very good looking boy asked if he could join me for a drink. I said yes, but had already decided that would the extent of it. To his credit, he ordered a soft drink, and declined my invitation to order an food. He did shared in my dinner, however, but I was very glad of it because the portions were huge. I could not have finished it myself. He ate like he hadn;t eaten in days! All during dinner kept saying how handsome I was, and how much he wanted to have sex with me. Of course I knew that was coming, so I said, no, thank you, but I prefer to be alone tonight. He was rather persistent, and said finally said he would give me a wonderful massage, at his apt nearby. Just to get rid of him, I asked him how much. He acted by insulted, and said, no money, no money for massage, no money for sex! I am not a rent boy! I am insulted! But I wanted have sex with you, it is out of "amore".

 

At this time, I am getting some very bad feelings from this one, so I ask for my bill, pay the waiter, and start to leave. I ask the waiter to please get rid of the boy for me, but the waiter now acts helpless, even though I have tipped him an extra 10R to do so.

 

I start walking away, and the boy follows me. I tell him I want to be left alone, and now he tells me I owe him for his time and companionship at Maxims. I owe him 1000R. Now I blow up. I get very angry and told him he did not provide anything for me. I provided him drinks and dinner. I provided him with conversation. HE should pay ME. There was no way I was going to pay him ONE THOUSAND reales. He was rather insistent. I was very angry now, and kept walking along rua Altantico. He then told me if I didn't pay me he was going to beat me up. and he was going to stab me with the rather large pen he had in his hand. I was even more angry now. His intimation tactics weren't working on me. Yes, I was a bit concerned for my safety, but I knew I could take care of myself. I kept pushing him along into the lighted areas, and kept talking, and kept him talking. Slowly walking both of us towards a hotel.

 

his price came down to 500R, and then 200R, and then 100R. I offered 10R, and he said no, give me 50R, and there will be no trouble, I will leave you alone. No, I said, When he saw that we were 20 feet from a hotel entrance, he said, 20R! please! 20R! 10! 10! I said no! and walked into the hotel.

 

I told the hotel clerk that there was a boy outside who was threatening me, and that was why I walked into his hotel. He had two BIG BEEFY security people go outside, and they came back saying they could see no. They called a cab for me, and I took it back to my hotel.

 

Be careful, fellow travelers. Trust your instincts with these boys, especially if you are travelling alone. I escaped injury this time because I was in a well lighted street and did not let him intimidate me. I will not invite another boy to my table again.

[ad rian]

>I want to alert visitors to Rio to be extra careful about

>allowing random boys to come dine with you at Maxims if you

>are sitting alone. Last night, around midnight, after evening

>at Estacao, I was dining alone at Maxims when a very good

>looking boy asked if he could join me for a drink. I said

>yes, but had already decided that would the extent of it.

 

Did you tell him that? You knew what he was doing. You accepted it, and then proceeded to gain his companionship for free. Then you act surprised when he gets upset? Hmmh?!

 

>All during dinner kept saying how

>handsome I was, and how much he wanted to have sex with me.

>Of course I knew that was coming, so I said, no, thank you,

>but I prefer to be alone tonight. He was rather persistent,

>and said finally said he would give me a wonderful massage, at

>his apt nearby. Just to get rid of him, I asked him how much.

 

Yes indeed, "just to get rid of him"? Hmmh?

 

> I ask the waiter to please get rid of the boy for me, but the

>waiter now acts helpless, even though I have tipped him an

>extra 10R to do so.

 

10R? Hmmh? Are you really surprised?

 

>I start walking away, and the boy follows me. I tell him I

>want to be left alone, and now he tells me I owe him for his

>time and companionship at Maxims.

 

Why didn't you tell him this before you let him sit down and flatter you for how many hours did you say? Oh, you didn't say. Hmmh?!

 

>Now I

>blow up. I get very angry and told him he did not provide

>anything for me. I provided him drinks and dinner. I

>provided him with conversation. HE should pay ME.

 

Hmmh?

 

>Be careful, fellow travelers. Trust your instincts with

>these boys, especially if you are travelling alone. I escaped

>injury this time because I was in a well lighted street and

>did not let him intimidate me. I will not invite another boy

>to my table again.

 

Be careful, fellow travellers. Trust your instincts with these boys. They will act just like everyone else in the world when someonre attempts to steal a service for free. Please don't invite another boy to your table and try to rip him off again.

[Guest alphadogtx]

I told him right away I didn't want any company that night. Right away. I told him I would prefer to be alone, but I let him sit with me, and I bought him dinner. I was not trying to steal a service from him. I was trying to do him a kindness, by giving him dinner because he seemed so hungry.

 

I don't need his kind of flattery, and his less than one hour with me was not worth 1000 reales. Get real, ad rian.

[Guest Deweywop]

I continue to be confused by Ad rian's concept of commerce. If someone persists on pushing something that was not requested, not solicited, no price agreed to, and indeed, was positively refused, there can be no legitimate expectation of payment. Whatever it is is given for free. In fact, it's the seller who's doing the soliciting. Ad rian would apparently believe that a telemarketer who calls you repeatedly or a door-to-door salesman who sticks his foot in the door and refuses to leave must be paid for their time.

 

Once upon arrival in Bogota, I was taken by a cabdriver on a midnight tour of various hotels I did not want to go to, even though I already told the driver which hotel I had. He then asked me for extra fare for all his troubles. I paid, because I was tired and it was late and I couldn't work up enough indignation. But everyone, even the colombians I later talked to, knows that's a scam. There are many similar high-pressure tactics on tourists and travelers and no one has to put up with it.

[+ Axiom2001]

Man, you DEFINITELY do not have to offer any kind of apologies for any of your actions here! I thank you for writing to ALERT us who will be traveling solo or with a friend or friends.

 

THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! Continue to enjoy yourself with the Cariocas! Continue to do as you reported-- letting the guys know up front what your intentions are or are NOT!

[+ Axiom2001]

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I truly hope that this thread (one of which the writer had a positive and valid reason for writing) DOES NOT become one of debate as to the actions of the young man who met our respondent vs the respondent's actions /intent! We DO NOT need eighty or so rebuffs or a running commentary or debate of any tourist's perceived exploitation of the native inhabitiants IN ANY FORM or fashion!

[Guest luv2rideURbig1]

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No, but what it IS about is "trusting your instincts" and the original poster did not do that. He had a feeling of where the situation might lead and he let the guy proceed to sit down. I think we all know in this type of situation you must be adamant in your wishes -- it's a tricky situation, but when you are TRAVELLING ALONE it is VERY important not to let yourself get in such a situation. It could have turned more ugly.

 

He is fortunate that it did not; and this is one reason I would not travel alone on sexual sojourns. I did once in my life and I was very fortunate nothing bad happened, though there were many times I found myself uttering little prayers. As soon as the plane took off to go home I swore to myself I'd NEVER let myself get in such a sticky possibly dangerous situation ever again.

 

For those that speak Portuguese it's a different situation. I don't, and I assume the original poster of this thread doesn't either (he didn't say) but I would only go to Rio with at least one other person accompanying me.

 

VIGILANCE!

[+ glutes]

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Alphadog, really sorry to hear what happened to you down there, I can see myself in a like circumstance there in Rio. You did nothing wrong!

For all those travelers , and would-be travelers to Rio: It is a very dangerous place!! Please read my post on this forumn back in October titled "Raped and Robbed in Rio!!". Whether in a Steamie or on the Street, be very very careful.

[Guest alphadogtx]

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Yes, you are absolutely right. I DID NOT follow my instincts. I should not have let him sit down.

 

I do not speak Protugese, but I understand (and speak) enough Spanish that I understood what he was saying, and I could let him know what I was wanted/did not want.

 

It was indeed a situation that could have turned ugly, and I am very thankful that I was not hurt.

 

The way I travel is always to travel alone. I may reconsider that for future travels to Rio.

[ad rian]

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>No, but what it IS about is "trusting your instincts" and the

>original poster did not do that. He had a feeling of where

>the situation might lead and he let the guy proceed to sit

>down. I think we all know in this type of situation you must

>be adamant in your wishes -- it's a tricky situation, but when

>you are TRAVELLING ALONE it is VERY important not to let

>yourself get in such a situation. It could have turned more

>ugly.

 

Very well stated. That's exactly my point. When ever people report bad experiences in Rio or Joburg etc. I ask "well, tell me more", "what did you do", "what did you say" etc. I am afraid the answer always comes back like the one above. I have no bad experiences to report in Rio or Joburg etc, but then again: (a) I don't pursue or play with the low end of the rental market, e.g. "a hustler by any other name is still a hustler"; and (2) I would never have let the guy sit down in the first place. (I suspect that's what the waiter did not remove him even in light of the very generous 10R extra tip.)

[Guest AustinMarc]

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He looked like "he hadn't eaten in days" and by the end was pleading "10 R. Please!"? I mean, what is that, 2.50$US? That's a big difference than the other story with the "gun, motherfucker!" line. I almost feel sorry for the "boy". Desperate people do desperate things. 10 R wouldn't have killed you (sorry for the pun).

[Guest AustinMarc]

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Sorry, re-read your post and saw that you did offer 10R, so I appologize.

[+ Lucky]

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alpha, I also agree that you did nothing wrong. Thanks for the post.

[Guest luv2rideURbig1]

RE: Alert!! Rio Beach Boy threatened me after dining wi...

 

I didn't mean my post to be harsh; simply cautionary.

 

And what applies for Rio or Santo Domingo is the same for navigating Trini and Jamaican cock in Propect Park in Brooklyn, it's all the same. One must be ready for such situations and know the risk, that's all.

 

Then again some people find the danger exhilerating! However, I do not condone such behavior in a public forum such as this.

[IamI2002]

>THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! Continue to enjoy yourself with the

>Cariocas! Continue to do as you reported-- letting the guys

>know up front what your intentions are or are NOT!

 

Honey, you're really hitting thossse esssesss. Have you been going to Nellie classsess with Antie TRI?

[ad rian]

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>Sorry, re-read your post and saw that you did offer 10R, so I

>appologize.

 

No you were right the first time. You have nothing to apologize for. The 10R was for the waiter who was supposed to bounce his dinner party. After dining with the escort, he did not offer 10R, he told the escort that the escort owed him money.

[Guest AustinMarc]

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Well, actually if you re-read the 1st post, 3rd paragraph from the bottom, you'll see he offered 10R. I'm just as not threatened by this story as the other one (about the gun). I can't really form an opinion, was the kid bothersome at dinner or sort of polite? The first post almost has me feel like the boy was not really that threatening and VERY desperate for some money - how many "thugs" ask "Please"?

[Guest AustinMarc]

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Besides, if you review the first post who "blew-up" first?

[+ Axiom2001]

Iam.......NOT, you failed to respond to the thread, thus I hope your very "lame" line or two will be deleted. Stop the timeless remarks, for what Good do they serve here?

[Guest alphadogtx]

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I blew up because this boy threatened me with bodily harm. I offered him drink and dinner out of compassion, not to play games. I told him up front I did not want sex. I asked him how much for the massage so I can say no.

 

All the things I did were for self-defense. To show that he will not intimidate me. I will not be his victim. He was trying to be extremely intimidating after I declined his invitation to pay him R$1000. Raising his fists, and then brandishing the thick pen.

 

When someone threatens to beat me up, or to stab me, or anyone else I love, then my compassion for this person will no doubt be less.

[ad rian]

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>I blew up because this boy threatened me with bodily harm. I

>offered him drink and dinner out of compassion, not to play

>games. I told him up front I did not want sex. I asked him

>how much for the massage so I can say no.

 

Ok, I stand corrected about the 10R, but why did you let him sit down initially? I just never understand these stories. I think it is a shame for great cities to be slandered by stupid or careless travellers. Would you have done the same in SE Washington? If not, why not?

[ad rian]

>Iam.......NOT, you failed to respond to the thread, thus I

>hope your very "lame" line or two will be deleted. Stop the

>timeless remarks, for what Good do they serve here?

 

His post was about as useful as yours. When will you lern that this is not your class room, and you are not in control here?!

[Guest Gringo]

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unexpected violence can rear its ugly head anywhere in the world. but how about a little compassion and understanding 4 both parties here. if this young man were truly desperate, i take pity on him. i do not approve of his actions, but understand that the haves and the have-nots live very close 2 one another in rio. u can literally rub shoulders with the fabulously wealthy & the desperately poor---the bathing suit is a great equalizer. then we have the traveler who cannot speak the language. what we have here is desperation head to head with miscommunication---a potentially very explosive situation. take solice that there was no serious damage.

[trilingual]

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Alphadog didn't do anything wrong. Guys offering to keep lone foreign diners "company" is matter of course at Maxim's. In fact, that's why older foreign gentlemen go there. Without this kind of activity, Maxim's would probably go out of business!

 

When someone invites themselves to your table, you're under NO obligation to them, other than offering a drink or some food if you invite them to join you, as Alphadog did. Anything else is extra, and should be discussed and agreed to upfront. Experienced Brazilian guys who "work" Maxim's know this. In this instance, it appears that Alphadog did make it clear thtat he wasn't looking for anything sexual that evening, so this hustler could have moved on to find a likelier prospect. (Which is usually what happens when it becomes obvious to a guy that a prospective client isn't interested.) Unfortunately, as in any big city, there are con artists, or inexperienced guys who don't know what to do in the situation, or other variations, and it's impossible never to run across them.

 

This particular guy sounds both inexperienced and desperate (at a minimum). Sadly, there's a lot of desperation in Brazil, especially during the current bad economic times. Still, you don't OWE anything to all the desperate people you run across. If you wish to help someone out of your own free will, that's fine, but there's no obligation to give someone money just because he asks you for it. Do you feel obligated to give money to panhandlers here in the U.S.? I don't think so. It's the same abroad. Just because the person hitting you up for money is better-looking/better-dressed than the average street person doesn't change the situation. It's strictly your choice as to whether you want to give them something or not. You certainly shouldn't have to deal with being assaulted, either by an aggressive panhandler or an aggressive hustler.

 

I'm disappointed to learn that the waiter at Maxim's wasn't helpful. They're supposed to be vigilant about bad apples. The owners of the restaurant don't want them there making problems with customers; it only takes a couple of ugly incidents and bad word-of-mouth to empty the place of diners. For any other readers: if you do run into problems at Maxim's and aren't satisfied with what the waiter is doing for you, ask to talk to the manager. Feel free to be a bit excitable (Brazilians certainly are!). Make it clear that you expect to be able to dine there without being threatened, and they're responsible for keeping the place safe for customers. If they can't take care of that, let them know that you'll be posting this on an international web site that's read by a lot of gay tourists to Rio so that people know Maxim's isn't safe and they should eat somewhere else. That should get some action! Hopefully, though, nobody else will run into this kind of disagreeable situation and have to resort to this.

 

BTW, I'm sure Auntie Semitic will be weighing in with something idiotic or hateful in the hope of generating another umpteen hundred posts. The way to avoid that is to IGNORE him. (Advice I should take more often myself.) By now it should be clear, from his previous posts on the subject, that the economic laws on his planet are utterly different than the ones here on Earth. There's no point in trying to argue with someone who's so out-of-touch with the way things work in this solar system.

[Guest fukamarine]

>I continue to be confused by Ad rian's concept of commerce.

 

Why are you be confused? Ad rian has demonstrated over and over again that his concept of reality is quite different from the norm.

 

Personally I think it is all a big Jewish conspiracy to intimidate the unsespecting tourist who was probably a Catholic priest masquarading as a child molester.

 

fukanarine