The Twins from Estação

[Guest Jake]

Actually, Rogers is on Alfredo Valadao (I think it's spelled) which is off Siquera Campos a couple of blocks west (up the hill) from Tonelero. Take the left fork and there is a new Rogers lighted sign advertisement (small) right on the streetpost at the appropriate corner.

[IamI2002]

Remains to be read.

[Guest BicepsLover]

RE: Yahoo group

 

Hey, mister the manager of this Brazil Nut group ! You are not a gentleman ! You are miserable ! How dare you to publish the pics of those young men and label them as "escorts" on the WWW. Do you think they would appreciate ? Did you ask if they are ok ? I am sure they are not, because I know some of them.

Why wouldn't you show us your face of "mister I rent a young boy for 50 Reais" among the galleries of this good old website ? Why not ? Or would you be offended to be labelled as a hustler's client ?

[CT Dick]

RE: Yahoo group

 

My friend, I do not see the word 'escort' on the Brazilnut group.

 

The home page says, " WELCOME TO BRAZILNUT!

A PLACE TO SHARE PHOTOS OR FILES OF YOUR FAVORITE

"BOYS FROM BRAZIL""

 

Why do you find this so offensive? Where do YOU see a problem?

 

Dick

[johnnysneakers]

RE: Yahoo group

 

Ignore this guy.

 

However, I cannot get into the BrazilNut site. Is anyone else having problems. Actually I did get in to the home page but none of the photos would apprear.

[johnnysneakers]

RE: Yahoo group

 

Hold the Phone, I got in finally!!! I cannot believe the pix of guys on this site in Rio. Amazing.

 

Any info on the site http://www.olimpos.com.br which is all in Porteguese, but obviously is an escort site. It lists, with pix and phone numbers, a wopping 291 guys in Sao Paulo, but hardly any in Rio. I need to get a dictionary to get through this one!!! Any help will be appreciated.

[Guest BicepsLover]

RE: Yahoo group

 

I may have been a little bit harsh yesterday because I had just seen some pics of a good brazilian friend on the Yahoo group.

You are right in a way ; there's nothing on this site about those guys' job. But the link btw M4M and the Yahoo Group is obvious, isn't it ?

But the most important thing is that I am absolutely sure that most of those boys (let's say 99%) never granted their permission to be exhibited on the web, more or less naked, in a bed, or even with a hard-on (poor Anderson !). You should be aware that those pics will circulate and end up on a porno site.

If your first idea was to "promote" those guys and bring them new clients, then it was NOT a good idea. You should know that most of them are straight and do not want any kind of publicity. Those who wish to "come out" of the sauna know how to do it (Bruno Gaucho chose to have a website for instance).

I dont know all the guys pictured on the Yahoo Group but I suppose that all the pics should be removed. But please, remove the (ugly) pics of Anderson. You are doing a lot of harm to him. Thank you.

[jivau3930]

RE: Yahoo group

 

What a dildo!! Who gave you the right/authority to speak for any young man shown on Brazilnut? I am sure they have all reached majority (that means legal age). "Poor Anderson" can probably take care and speak for himself. You state you do not know all of the guys (I doubt that you know 1/3 of them) yet you appoint yourself spokesman. If you don't like Brazilnut - don't look at it. YOU suppose all photos should be removed??? Give me a break!!!

[CT Dick]

RE: Yahoo group

 

> I need to get a dictionary to get

>through this one!!! Any help will be appreciated.

 

Go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/

 

Enter the web address and *presto* it appears in English.

:+

 

Dick

[Guest Coco]

RE: Yahoo group

 

Ithink like some of the guys who remarked about the publishing of the photo of the twins from estacao. Those boys are going to be twentone years old this coming Sunday September 8th. They are very innocent and had a very small education so two years ago they signed in a release for a magazzine in Brazil and his pictures came out, for which they got a very little reward. They do not have a father to take care of them nor an agent to advise them, so they were really taken for a ride and they were only nineteen years old...Now they are suffering for this splash oictures in the internet... and with no benefit to them...If I am writing this and telling you all this about them is because I know them and I spend the lst four weeks with them and with their family who are very poor but very proud. Please be nice to them and remove the pictures it is about time... maybe it will do them good and bring them clients but also may backfire..Please..please.;-)

[Guest Jake]

RE: Yahoo group

 

Well, I'm not sure whether I know the twins as well as you do or not. I have never spent time with their family, but I have spent some amount of time with them (and, as a matter of fact, sent them a birthday card last week with a small gift). I do know that they are quite proud of their magazine layout and happily presented me with a copy. I also know that attitudes about such things are radically different in Brazil. One friend of mine who holds a very respectable position actually took his nude magazine layout into his office and showed it to the women there who were suitably impressed. His stock went up - not down. Go figure.

[Guest Coco]

RE: Yahoo group

 

Not every Brasilian is proud of going to the officeand showing their nude magazine pictures to his colleagues. And maybe you felt the twins were proud of their spread in the magazine but when they did it they were minors and did nothave advise from someone reliable. I do know now that they are not happy about this layout but if you feel that your visit with them was fruitful and you believe they are happy hurrah for you. and let it rest there. Happy birthday to the twins on September 8...

[Guest BicepsLover]

RE: Yahoo group

 

You know for sure that Anderson or the Twins cannot speak for themselves in this place since they have no computer. And I bet that the manager of this miserable yahoo group will keep quite about it if he meets those guys in the future.

As for me, I am glad to be their spokesman. I've done what I thought honest and righteous. Be sure that they will know what they can expect from guys like you when I see them in November.

 

Thank you Coco for standing on my side.

[+ Lucky]

RE: CT Dick's review

 

It was really a good review of what sounded like an incredibly fun experience! I am glad you had such a great time, and thanks for the review.:-)

[+ Axiom2001]

RE: CT Dick's review

 

...appreciated and truly enjoyed your reviews of the twins; this was my first time seeing their photo, for I had forgotten what I'd plugged in in the yahoogroup and couldn't get into the site.

 

I do hope that when I'm in Rio next month that I can experience these handsome, hunky men.

[trilingual]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

Tri is getting tired of this bleeding heart crap about the twins by guys who haven't been designated (as far as we know) to speak on their behalf.

 

Just to point out the obvious: They may have been taken advantage of by the photographer when they were 19. That's unfortunate, if true, but they seem to have borne up under the tragedy. It's two years later and they're still in the posing/escorting business, it seems. Evidently they don't hate what they're doing, based on the reviews from their satisfied clients. If they are as poor and uneducated as described, which is not at all unlikely, I find it hard to believe they're upset by all the good publicity they're getting. The twins are assuredly making much better money escorting than they could ever hope to make in any other occupation in Brazil if they're uneducated and unskilled. (Unless they went into drug dealing, God forbid, which is a prescription for a short and violent life in Brazil.)

 

As for being embarassed by the nude photos, I seriously doubt it. As long as the photos we're talking about are strictly nude shots, and not hard core, there is nothing to be ashamed about in the Brazilian context. Extremely well-known Brazilians, of both sexes and all persuasions, have posed nude for magazines and suffered absolutely no adverse effects. In fact, as described by Jake, it's usually the opposite. This includes major soap opera stars, famous athletes, entertainers, etc. Let's not forget the example of Xuxa, the blond goddess who for years hosted Brazil's most-watched children's TV show and has built a gigantic empire (she's been one of the most highly-paid entertainers in the world). Before becoming a kids show hostess, Xuxa was a model and posed nude in Playboy. That propelled her career; for a while she was romantically linked to Pelé, arguably the biggest Brazilian star of all, and went on to become the hostess of her own show and a multi-millionaire entertainer in her own right. EVERYBODY in Brazil knows about her nude spread in Playboy, but it didn't impede her career in the least. Unlike in the U.S. or perhaps even Europe, it wasn't considered unacceptable for her to lead a children's show just because she had once posed nude. Brazilians don't consider mere nudity obscene; they're proud of their looks and their bodies, and quite frankly enjoy showing them off. As other posters have noted, when they've taken their cameras to the saunas and asked to take pictures, the guys have responded enthusiastically!!! I suppose there's somebody or other out there who may have declined having their photos taken, but most Brazilians would be highly complimented by someone wanting to photograph them.

 

Unless we hear to the contrary from the guys themselves, I doubt they mind in the least that they have become world-wide stars. I mean, hello? THEY'RE IN BUSINESS! Their photos on Internet are only going to bring them more business. My guess is they're thrilled to be famous. If I'm mistaken, I suggest the boys themselves contact HooBoy to ask that the photos come down. Public Internet access is available all over Rio, if they don't have a computer of their own. If they don't speak English, they can e-mail me directly through this site in Portuguese, and I can translate their wishes and relay them to HooBoy. They'll need to include their phone number so I can contact them and verify that it's indeed they who want the photos removed and not somebody who's appointed himself as their "guardian" whether they want one or not, or who just wants to hoard the goodies for himself!

 

Even if these guys are young and poorly educated in a formal sense, I'm sure they're not stupid and have plenty of street smarts. After a couple years, at least, of escorting, I'm sure they know what they're doing. So I'll be very surprised to hear from them asking to have their pictures taken down and their ability to earn money impaired.

[Guest Coco]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

Trilingual......bsta for you because you do not seem to have adecent bone in your body. I am not the type to insult anyone of criticize anyone but I think you are wrong. The publishing of these photos has done more damage to the twins than anything else. Sit down and think if this would happen to you and see how you will feel. I am going to Rio soonand if they want I will write an article for themasking to have these photos outt.By the way there are much more fish in the sea than the twins.

[Guest pshaw]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

The genie is out of the bottle and you can't put it back in. If these photos were taken in a hotel room by some tourist and then posted on the internet without a release, you would have more reason to be upset. But if the photos were taken for a magazine and a release was signed while they were of legal age, the only real argument you can make is potential copyright infringement.

 

I'm sure that many of the nude photos seen on the web are of people who do or will regret that they had them taken. When these young men finish working the saunas, it is highly unlikely that anyone will even associate them with the photos that will probably be popping up on the internet for years to come. If they weren't twins, they really would not merit more than a casual leer - there are many sauna guys who are much better looking. And let's face it, the photos we are talking about are vanilla run-of-the-mill nude photos, not pornographic in any sense. For now, it is good advertising, not a badge of shame.

[CT Dick]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

>Trilingual......bsta for you because you do not seem to have

>adecent bone in your body.

 

 

:-)

[Guest Jake]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

>Trilingual......bsta for you because you do not seem to have

>adecent bone in your body. I am not the type to insult

>anyone of criticize anyone but I think you are wrong. The

>publishing of these photos has done more damage to the twins

>than anything else. Sit down and think if this would happen

>to you and see how you will feel. I am going to Rio soonand

>if they want I will write an article for themasking to have

>these photos outt.By the way there are much more fish in the

>sea than the twins.

 

Coco - You don't even have to wait until November. I will be there in several weeks and I promise the first thing I will do is contact them (which would have been the first thing I would do anyway!) and let them know about the site. If that's not soon enough for you, send me a private e and I'll be glad to give you their cel # in case you don't have it. O.K.? Happy now?

[trilingual]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

>>Trilingual......bsta for you because you do not seem to have

>>adecent bone in your body. I am not the type to insult

>>anyone of criticize anyone but I think you are wrong. The

>>publishing of these photos has done more damage to the twins

>>than anything else. Sit down and think if this would happen

>>to you and see how you will feel. I am going to Rio soonand

>>if they want I will write an article for themasking to have

>>these photos outt.By the way there are much more fish in the

>>sea than the twins.

 

I'll leave it up to other people to judge for themselves the decency of my body's bones. I'm actually quite popular in Brazil, so I'll just have to assume that people think I'm decent and respectful. I don't exploit the guys, I always ask what THEY want, and I get back from them the kind of treatment I'd want for myself. Methinks you've just developed a kind of possessive obsession with the twins (you bleed for them, but don't seem to care much about the "other fish in the sea.")

 

As for "this happening to me," I'm afraid the market for short, overweight escorts in their mid-fifties is very limited in Rio, or just about everywhere else. But if that weren't the case, and I were in the escort business, I'd be thrilled to have flattering photos of myself available world-wide, coupled with reviews as favorable as the twins have gotten.

 

I have to repeat, just because the twins are poor and uneducated (a matter of circumstances in Brazil) doesn't mean they're stupid by any stretch of the imagination. For whatever reason, they CHOSE to earn a living escorting, and they continue to do so (despite claims that they're hideously humiliated by their photos). I just don't buy it. If they don't like what they're doing, there are other jobs. I'm sure that with their twin act they could be successful as personal trainers or staffing a gym. They seem quite presentable, so I imagine they could find jobs at a shop or maybe being masseurs. Of course, none of those occupations is likely to pay them anything remotely close to what they earn as escorts. Nevertheless, there are plenty of good-looking guys in Brazil who are down on their luck who never go into escorting and work behind a juice-bar counter instead. Other guys who escort eventually do get tired of it and move on to other things. I don't know of any of them whose life was ruined because they escorted previously, or had posed nude for a magazine. In fact, I can think of some TV soap opera actors in Brazil who escorted or performed in sex shows before becoming "Global," and it's fairly well known what they did prior to becoming stars of the small screen. Possibly in more puritanical countries this would be the mark of Cain, but in Brazil it's rarely that. More often, it's a matter of envy and desire by people not good-looking or daring enough to do it themselves! ;-)

[Chuck50]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

One this their Bday as we pass from the 8th of Sept. into the 9th we wish both of our twins or boys only the best. They are hot and we love them and we want only the best for them.. HUGS CHuck

[Guest Brazil Nut]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

I wasn't planning to get into this one, but since I'm here anyway because of my post just above....

 

I'm trying to keep an open mind here and to understand both points of view.

 

It seems to me that, leaving licensing or copyright issues aside, in terms of moral issues, which is what is being debated here, the copying or reposting of a picture or other material which has already been made public with permission, such as published in print media, on the Internet, etc., or of a "private" photo for which informed consent has been secured ("I took a picture of HungStud#3 and asked him if I could put it on the net and he said yes")...the copying or reposting of such material is not morally out of bounds. The person involved has consented to public exposure of the material.

 

This is very different from the posting of a private picture for which the subject has not given consent and/or without the subject's knowledge, or the reposting of a picture which was originally made public without consent. There is at least one such situation of which I am personally aware involving (a) photo(s) <that's right, I'm leaving it ambiguous as to whether it's one or more> on that site, and it is not related to the twins.

 

Perhaps the original magazine spread did or will cause harm to the twins, and perhaps they were ill-advised to agree to it, but they did agree to it legally. And the photos were made public legally and with permission. If there is damage to them as a result of the photos it was already done when the magazine was published. In the case of some of the other photos on that site it is not clear and cannot be verified whether the subject gave consent. But in this case it is clear, and the evidence is in print. So this case is not one of (re)posting photos for which consent was not given.

 

The prevailing attitudes in Brazil have been pointed out here, and there seems to be no disagreement with that. And it has been pointed out that the posting of the photos gives them a lot of publicity which is probably a benefit to them in their current occupation. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that.

 

Some people, however, are passionate about having the photos removed.

Coco, you said

>The

>publishing of these photos has done more damage to the twins

>than anything else.

 

If by that you mean the original magazine publication, that may be. I am not in a position to agree or disagree, since I don't know the twins or the situation. But, given that the photos are already out in public with their knowledge and prior consent, how does putting them on the Brazil photo site damage them further? What damage do you mean that is caused by having the photos on the Brazil site?

 

I am not asking this rhetorically or argumentatively. I am genuinely trying to understand both points of view and would appreciate it if Coco or someone else who is on that side of the debate could explain why they think it is damaging, not just repeat that they think it is damaging.

[trilingual]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

"I am going to Rio soonand if they want I will write an article for themasking to have these photos outt."

 

That won't do. A request needs to come directly from the twins, even if it's in Portuguese, with a contact phone number so this can be verified (evidently they have a cell phone, so that shouldn't be a problem). If it's confirmed that they want the pictures to come down, I'm sure HooBoy will be happy to oblige.

[Guest Coco]

RE: Basta Já! Enough Already!

 

Thaank you very much Jake. Hope you will have a good time and enjoy the twins. They aare very good and verry respectfulof peoples rights and ideas. I do love their youth and their beautiful smales. Have fun. Un abrazo (a hug in portuguese)