Flakey providers

[dcguy20]

I don't know what it is lately, but you would think with the economy being as bad as it is, some providers would actually follow through with either returning calls or perhaps even showing up to a scheduled appointment!!

 

Case in point: Since last Saturday (9/20), I had been trying to make an appointment with someone who is visiting DC. I called him several hours in advance, thought everything was all set, only to get a call saying that it would not work out. No problem. This is someone I had seen in the past. Tried again on Friday. Called him earlier in the evening to see if he would be available and he was. Only for him to bag out a few hours later. OK, let's give it one more shot. Tried again last night. Set up a time, he said he was coming. I expected him around midnight. No show. Was unreachable when I tried calling. Around 1:30am he called me to say he was getting ready to leave. I said, "don't bother."

 

I know my mistake was believing he would show up after the first cancellation. As I had seen him several times before, I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt. Any one else with a similar experience?

[SAdler]

I can't speak to that escort's motives or the economical aspect of your question but one theme and a few questions on my end as an escort who travels regularly popped up:

 

>Case in point: Since last Saturday (9/20), I had been trying

>to make an appointment with someone who is visiting DC. I

>called him several hours in advance, thought everything was

>all set, only to get a call saying that it would not work out.

> No problem. This is someone I had seen in the past. Tried

>again on Friday. Called him earlier in the evening to see if

>he would be available and he was. Only for him to bag out a

>few hours later. OK, let's give it one more shot. Tried

>again last night. Set up a time, he said he was coming. I

>expected him around midnight. No show. Was unreachable when

>I tried calling. Around 1:30am he called me to say he was

>getting ready to leave. I said, "don't bother."

 

1) Were your last couple sessions for a larger amount?

 

>I know my mistake was believing he would show up after the

>first cancellation.

 

2) Has his rate decreased BECAUSE of the aforementioned economy crisis?

 

>you would think with the

>economy being as bad as it is...

 

3) Are you sure you guys have had "successful" appointments the last times?

 

>As I had seen him several times before, I

>thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

I know that when traveling my first task for the trip is scheduling in advance with regulars to make sure the trip will be worthwhile and I can see at the very least who I want to see and the bonus is that the expenses are paid. It's of course not an excuse that he flaked on you repeatedly, but it could be that you became less of a priority if an appointment for a longer period of time came up. It's not something I would do but from his point of view I can understand the financial necessity.

 

As to the rate decrease, I have had several clients straddling both sides of the fence. One has asked if we could lower the usual rate because of the state of the economy and another who said that no matter what I may or may not have lowered my rate to he'd insist on paying what he was used to. Even if you're just doing what is expected (paying the new rate), I can certainly say that the gesture might make the difference if the crunch has been affecting him. Again, it's no fault of your own -- a lot of guys may just not value the interpersonal connections as much as the cash at that point.

 

Finally, the last question about "how successful" your appointments were. I know an escorts job is to act in many cases and most will see clients they may not want to because as you mentioned when you opened your post, they need the work. But a lot will simply avoid a client they don't feel they mesh with or can perform with anymore. That can happen for a number of reasons ranging from attraction beyond work to clashing political or personal opinions. Could be physical, could be mental.

 

Again, this is just my take on it as an escort who travels a lot. Hope that gives you some insight. When in doubt -- ask him directly

[dcguy20]

Scott,

 

Thanks for the response.

 

I think I've seen this particular guy 4 or 5 times over the course of the last two years. I think if he didn't have a good time any of those times, he just would not have responded to my initial call. The unreturned call I mentioned at the beginning of my post was in reference to another guy.

 

His rate has gone down since the last time I saw him, but not because I requested a lower rate. I asked him initially what the rate was and agreed on it.

 

When he finally called me back Friday night, we spoke at lenght (30 minutes) about the Presidential debate that evening (and we're on the same side of the fence regarding that). Who knows, maybe he took another appointment before coming to see me. Jake Samms had done that to me when he was in DC a few months ago. Said he was on his way and showed up late (and admitted he got a last minute call for an appointment and decided to take that one, too). I won't ever call him again.

 

I do appreciate you taking the time to give your insight.

[SAdler]

>I think I've seen this particular guy 4 or 5 times over the

>course of the last two years. I think if he didn't have a

>good time any of those times, he just would not have responded

>to my initial call. The unreturned call I mentioned at the

>beginning of my post was in reference to another guy.

 

Well that's kind of what I meant. When I travel I typically email my regulars in a given city before I post travel plans so they get first dibs on best times then I post travel plans and go from there. Sometimes I forget though. What I'm saying is that if you responded to his travel ad then as a regular he obviously isn't go to outright say no.

 

>His rate has gone down since the last time I saw him, but not

>because I requested a lower rate. I asked him initially what

>the rate was and agreed on it.

 

Exactly the case I was saying. Not that you did anything wrong but I know that I did bring down my hourly very slightly and a regular noticed it and said he'd still do the regular with me. I dunno, it's little things I guess.

 

>When he finally called me back Friday night, we spoke at

>lenght (30 minutes) about the Presidential debate that evening

>(and we're on the same side of the fence regarding that). Who

>knows, maybe he took another appointment before coming to see

>me. Jake Samms had done that to me when he was in DC a few

>months ago. Said he was on his way and showed up late (and

>admitted he got a last minute call for an appointment and

>decided to take that one, too). I won't ever call him again.

 

That's probably the most likely situation if you had an appointment SCHEDULED that late.

[TruYun]

Can you say his name and save others from contacting him and receiving such disrespect?

[JT Brooklyn]

My thinking has always been...When someone is "discussed this much" that a Name should be given!

 

IF for no other reason than to either give the "Working Guy" in question a Fair Chance to Respond to what is being said..Or Not!

 

IF I was a "Working Guy".. MY only question would be to ask for the Name in all Fairness to My "Working It" Bros!

 

I'm sure IF the Name is mentioned..The Guy will be informed and either Respond which IS in his BEST INTERESTS or NOT..Depending on whether he gets more than 5% Biz from DADDYS to begin with? ;-)

[hotandwet]

Sorry to hear that, but if your still up for hiring someone else check out Nico, I've had experience with him and he happens to be traveling in the DC area. http://www.massagem4m.com/ny/new-york-city/male-massage/13248/

[alanalt]

Some general observations from a client's perspective on the (interesting) points raised so far:

 

1) I'm aware and sympathetic about the 'balancing act' an escort engages in when setting up appointments, particularly when they're on the road. When setting up their schedule, I fully expect escorts to go for appointments that benefit them most, whether it's financially, aesthetically (i.e. in terms of the compatibility with the client), or both. And when I'm contacting an escort who's from out of town, I'm quite prepared to be put on a waiting list to be called on short notice if another appointment cancels or go through some other confirmation process.

 

2) However, once an appointment is actually set & confirmed, I do feel that both the client and escort have an obligation to meet that appointment. Of course, life can suddenly throw you a sudden curve ball that requires a cancellation. 'Acceptable' cancellation reasons are things that most of us could go to our boss and say 'I need to leave work now because of... (accident, illness, family emergency, etc.). Most employers are going to be sympathetic to such reasons, while they'll be less inclined to accept 'I'm hungover from partying too much', 'I'm tired' or 'I still have too much Christmas shopping to do.' Well I think similar standards apply (to both clients and escorts) when cancelling appointments.

 

3) Sure, applying Murphy's Law to escort appointments means that situations will arise where after an escort makes a 1 hour appointment, he is suddenly called and finds a client ready to book an all-nighter for that same evening. Similarly, a client may have booked an appointment with an escort only to find that there's another, more attractive (or inexpensive) escort advertising as 'Actively looking' or 'Available now' on Rentboy. It's easy (and hardly commendable) to keep your word when it's most advantageous to you, but if your word is your bond, you should keep it even if it means passing up a more lucrative/enjoyable experience because you made a commitment (by setting an appointment) to see someone else.

 

4) Of course, lots of escorts (and clients) will not be concerned about breaking their commitment and go for the 'better deal'. It's hardly the end of the world when that happens, but it does carry the price of leaving escort or client with a reputation for 'flakiness', especially if it's a pattern of behaviour as a opposed to a one-time deal.

 

5) I also don't think that an economic downturn is going improve 'service standards' by escorts in this regard. In fact, probably the opposite will occur as more escorts will use escorting to supplement their earnings from elsewhere as opposed to relying on it solely and they will be more intent on getting the best deal, dollarwise, for their time, even if it means cancelling at the last minute.

 

6) Personally though, I'd be more inclined to attribute escort 'flakiness' when it comes to cancelling appointments to their age. I think most of us will admit that we were more inclined to make 'flakey decisions' in our late teens and early 20s, as most of these 'working boys' are. Of course, I'm aware there are lots of 'flakey clients' too who don't have that excuse...

 

Alan

[Guest josephga]

In my massage business I call everyone that leaves a message regardless if I can do the appointment or not. I figure if I at least return their call they will remember it the next time they are in town or looking too book.. I hear story's a few times a week how clients have left 2, 4 messages with people and never get a response.

I haven't had a massage in over a year I emailed a masseur the other day about getting a deep tissue massage sometime in the next week. He emailed me back 3 days later and asked if I had a pic? He didn't get the pic nor will he get my business. A provider asking for a pic rofl lmao yeah right..

[burnsy]

I emailed a guy on rentboy couple of days ago because he has a great athlete body that’s my type. There's no face pic on his ad and I asked for one. He said he does not send out face pic because he models & acts, fine. We exchanged emails & he even called me twice. He said he want to go out for a drink or dinner first to test the water and see if we both want to proceed, ok. He called me 30 minutes before our meeting to confirm that I still want to meet up and told me he would be on his way. 10 minutes later I got a text message saying he had something coming up that he had to cancel and will call me the next day. I know he bailed and never got a returned call from him.

 

I wanted to know what happened so I called & I emailed him and asked him if I did something wrong so he didn't show up.

 

 

Here's his reply:

 

what's your stats? heights/weight? ethnicity?

 

I realized after talking to you on the phone that you might be Asian and I just don't get turned on and I didn't want it to be uncomfortable so I bailed.

 

Sorry if I sound like an asshole but even though I'm getting paid I like to still get turned on.

 

 

 

I was so turned off by what he said and wished him good luck that he'll find someone meets his standard & can turn him on.

[JT Brooklyn]

Burnsy..Welcome to "The Wonderful World of The Working Guy"!

 

Yup..as The GUYS run into all types of CLIENTS..We all run into many types of Working Guys.. some who do not Function well under certain circumstances..This is what makes the Really Good at their JOB Really Good!

 

Although Honesty and being Upfront for whatever reason is always the best way to go, Look at it the other way..Ya now have the Finances for someone Really Fun! ;-)

[burnsy]

Thank JT!

 

I've been thinking a lot since the incident but I feel much better now. :-)

[TruYun]

Many words and no names. Is all the purpose of this thread to complain that some escorts are treating clients badly? We knew that before.

 

No names equals no help for other clients and no accountability for escorts and no improvement in the issue and more useless complaints.