NYC INCALL Rate Drops...

[rentingdad]

Boston guy - why do you keep answering your own posts? three in a row! kind of funny

[seeker630]

For some people, paying more (buying the high-end or 'elite' product)gives additional pleasure (and therefore value, it can argued).

 

There was an interesting study that showed that price can have a positive effect on pleasure: http://www.physorg.com/news119531708.html

 

The study "found that changes in the stated price of a sampled wine influenced not only how good volunteers thought it tasted, but the activity of a brain region that is involved in our experience of pleasure. In other words, "prices, by themselves, affect activity in an area of the brain that is thought to encode the experienced pleasantness of an experience,"

[rentingdad]

I also pay more for guys that aren't on the regular escort circuit - like the idea of seeing guys that aren't available to the masses. Just my thing I guess.

 

Anyway to each his own - the point is to have fun!

[+ Charlie]

There are two ways to look at "worth." From a financial standpoint, an escort is no different from a house: he's worth whatever buyers are willing to pay, not his advertised price. From another point of view, his worth is determined by the level of satisfaction he provides to the buyer: a $300 escort is not worth it if I don't get the pleasure I expect for that price, and a $150 escort is worth a lot more than that if he gives me what I hoped to get from the $300 escort.

[Boston Guy]

Having trouble with the eyeglasses today? If you look more carefully, you will correctly note that each of my posts -- like this one -- was in response to a post made by another.

[seeker630]

>Anyway to each his own - the point is to have fun!

 

Exactly!

[JT Brooklyn]

Seeer 630. Ya hit it right on the Head! "Price" can with some Increase Pleasure IN THE BRAIN! ;-)

 

Nice to see my little RATE observation brought about some interesting Chat..Other than The Rates are TOO HIGH, which is the usual Path that Rate discussion around here takes. ;-)

[rentingdad]

I totally agree that price is in the eye of the beholder - and the payor.

 

I actually find the money side of the escort/client equation a big turn on. I'm sure Freud would have a field day with that subject but I find paying for sex is a major turn on for me.

 

Anyone else have that fetish?

[whipped guy]

I find paying for sex is a major turn on for me.

 

I totally understand the concept and can appreciate from whence you come. That certainly is part of the allure, but for some paying less adds an additional fascination and sense of gratification... and in some cases a further challenge as well. The idea of immolating hard earned cash simply for the pleasure of it all has always been foreign to me.

 

Actually for me the transaction segment is the least pleasurable part of the encounter as at that point in the proceedings we are at the “business” stage… and all the good stuff is water under the bridge. Lest I give the impression that I don’t want to pay, that is emphatically not the case at all. It is just that I would rather get the feeling that I have spent time with a good buddy and I don’t really need to pay! For me that’s more of a turn on... and I am sure Freud would have something to say about that as well!

[Guest zipperzone]

My only problem with CL is the possibility of a vice sting. How do you avoid that - especially if you don't have the history of that type of operation in an unfamiliar city?

[Boston Guy]

It's an issue and I don't have an answer for you. However, I've found that I tend to prefer contacting guys that I've seen around for a while, either on CL or on other sites. It's surprising how many guys from RB and M4RN will also advertise on CL, usually at lower rates.

 

If it's someone I have never seen online before, I'm quite careful. That's hard to describe, my antennae are way out (think Uncle Martin :-) ).

 

In reverse, I contacted a guy on CL last Spring. He was unwilling to come to my hotel until I passed a "gay quiz". It was his attempt to verify that the person he was talking to was actually gay and over 22. He later said that anyone who couldn't answer the questions or hesitated or sounded awkward was scratched off his list. Fortunately, I managed to pass. :+

[Boston Guy]

Also, while I travel all over, the major cities I tend to go to are ones that I've spent quite a lot of time in. Over the last year, I've spent some time in each of them perusing the CL ads. I did that for a while before ever contacting someone on CL. So while I suppose it would be possible for a vice sting to keep running over and over with the same images, it seems more likely that they'd use a new image because otherwise people would post warnings.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>It's an issue and I don't have an answer for you. However,

>I've found that I tend to prefer contacting guys that I've

>seen around for a while, either on CL or on other sites. It's

>surprising how many guys from RB and M4RN will also advertise

>on CL, usually at lower rates.

>

 

If one pays close attention you can find more than a few of the RB and M4RN guys listed on CL. They usually offer rates well below their RB rates. I've not been able to tell if there's any particular pattern as to when these guys start trolling CL for business. Though I did notice that one guy tended to post on CL toward the end of the month. Perhaps that's an indication that the rent is due and it he needs cash quick.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>"The guys that offer that get my business and my loyalty

>for the long term."

>

>And the clients that insist on the above get the label of

>"cheap hourly johns" from the high-end working guys.

> Nickle and diming these guys is the mark that you're not in

>the position to freely be able to hire and pay a guy what he's

>worth.

>

 

 

I'm sure it's nice to have the level of wealth which affords you the opportunity to throw your money around and brag about it in the manner that you do on this board. Congrats.

[Epigonos]

Rentingdad the only thing you have stated in this thread with which I take exception is that when a client refused to pay $300 an hour: “Then you are missing out on some of the very best guys available. With a blanket statement like that you're limiting yourself to less than the best”. I do, of course, understand that you qualified your statement with the word “SOME”. I sincerely believe that all intelligent people, regardless of income, set, at least mentally, a maximum price they are willing to pay for ANY and ALL services.

 

During the last six years I have hired a considerable number of escorts and one important thing I have learned is that price and quality frequently DO NOT equate. I live in a suburb of Los Angeles thus my “escort market” is quite similar to yours in New York City. As a rule I don’t pay more than $200 - $250 per hour, $500 - $600 for lunch or dinner and a couple of hours play time and $1,000 - $1,200 for an overnight. I have made exceptions to these amounts BUT they have been few and far between. I DO NOT hire for a single hour so the $500 - $600 afternoon or evening rate and the $1,000 - $1,200 overnight rate are the ones most relevant to my situation. I have consistently found that in my price range there is no correlation between price and quality of experience. Some of the less expensive escorts, with whom, I have spent time were far more participatory than their more expensive brothers.

 

Over the last few years I have observed that many of the escorts charging $300 an hour or more appear to be one or all of the following: 1.) young and new to the trade, 2.) drop dead “beautiful” facially, 3.) possessors of fantastic street/gym bodies, 4.) interested only in having their “beautiful young “ bodies worshiped. Many of these guys are not remotely interested in reciprocity. Young escorts don’t really do much for me, as a rule, their life experiences are as limited as is their conversation. I am not a collector of new guys, and though I certainly like and want a great face and a great body it need not be on an escort under twenty five. Body worship bores me to tears. The obvious exceptions to the above are well known “porn stars” and some competitive body builders. As neither group is one of my fetishes I am able to avoid what I consider their exorbitant rates.

 

Now in the end it all comes down to what floats ones boat. However, the one thing I just don’t believe is that there is any guarantee that the more one pays the better the experience.

[Boston Guy]

>However, the one thing I just don’t believe is that there is

>any guarantee that the more one pays the better the

>experience.

>

>

 

Above a certain price, my experience has been that the escort will often be so enamored of themselves that the experience is negatively affected.

 

The very best experiences I've ever had have generally been with non-pro escort guys in graduate school who want to make a fast buck to support their education. None of them has ever charged top dollar.

 

ps: I find the NYC and LA escort scenes to sometimes be similar in price (although NYC is usually a bit higher) but otherwise quite different. I prefer the LA scene.

[rentingdad]

I'm sure it's nice to have the level of wealth which affords you the opportunity to throw your money around and brag about it in the manner that you do on this board. Congrats. "

 

Yes Aravguy it is very nice - I accept your congratulations with the graciousness I'm sure it was intended.

[rentingdad]

“Then you are missing out on some of the very best guys available."

 

Epon - you're right I wrote the above statement in a way that wasn't clear what I was saying.

 

I most certainly agree that there are guys to be hired for $100, etc.,etc., that could and probably are very hot and a very good time.

 

My point was not to imply that money is the only arbiter in determaining quality. It wasn't meant as a blanket statement. It was meant as a statement regarding specific guys that I've hired that charge above the $250 that someone said was their hiring threshold. Making a blanket statement that "I NEVER PAY OVER $250" to me means our indeed missing out on some very hot guys that charge over that amount.

[Boston Guy]

>

>I'm sure it's nice to have the level of wealth which affords

>you the opportunity to throw your money around and brag about

>it in the manner that you do on this board. Congrats. "

>

 

I'm sorry you took my comments in that vein, for that's certainly not how they were intended. However, it seems to me that my comments have uniformly been related to hiring escorts for an hour or two while on business -- at rates that are anything but exorbitant. On the other hand, you expressed feelings that seemed to put down clients who only hired for a short time or who took price into consideration ("the clients that insist on the above get the label of 'cheap hourly johns' from the high-end working guys. Nickle and diming these guys is the mark that you're not in the position to freely be able to hire and pay a guy what he's worth."). Further, in the few posts that I read from you today, you mentioned that you had one escort on retainer and, above that, hired mainly for weekends. Some of your additional comments have included:

 

"I sometimes forget that I probably spend more than some guys can afford to spend."

 

"would $30 really keep you from hiring a guy you wanted to hire? If so then I'd say you can't afford to hire in the first place."

 

"I also pay more for guys that aren't on the regular escort circuit - like the idea of seeing guys that aren't available to the masses. Just my thing I guess."

 

If there are two of us in the room and one of us is bragging, I don't think it's the guy who is talking about hiring escorts for an hour or two at reasonable prices. If you care to search, you'll find my posts here since the very beginning. Actually, I suspect there are quite a few of us still around who predate this software. It wasn't the first forum software used by Hooboy and the earliest posts were lost when he chose the DCForum software in something like 1988. If you do search, you'll find the my position regarding price has been remarkably consistent overall. I don't care for what I see as inflated prices and choose not to pay them. There always have been plenty of fun, interesting guys available for rates that seem to me to be more interesting.

 

I haven't been posting much for a while and I don't recognize your username. Are you having a bad day? Or are you usually this unfriendly?

[Epigonos]

Boston Guy PLEASE understand that what I am about to say is no more a criticism of you than it is of myself. I hire escorts on a regular basis but just what the hell is a “reasonable rate”. I usually pay between $500 and $600 for lunch or dinner and a couple of hours of play time. By today’s standards those rates would be considered reasonable. Reasonable shit – when I consider the number of tangible items I could buy for $500 to $600 I shutter. In the end what we are really talking about is a luxury market based on each of our discretionary incomes. We each decide how much we can AFFORD to spend and how much we are WILLING to spend on this little, but expensive, hobby. To the vast majority of people who do NOT participate on this site what those of us who do spend on our hobby would be considered unreasonable, obscene, and outrageous. Thus what is reasonable is in reality based solely on each our incomes and attitudes.

[Boston Guy]

I agree. Reasonable is always in the eye of the beholder so we each must determine what's reasonable for ourselves.

 

I've always found the arguments that go "if you can't afford to pay an escort's rate without quibbling then shouldn't be hiring until you can afford it" fairly amusing. I would imagine that most anyone on this forum could pay the most expensive rate out there should he choose to do so. Choosing not to pay a rate that one thinks is unreasonable in no way speaks to one's ability to afford it. Instead, I think it speaks to one's ability to make good decisions.

 

Many people have very expensive hobbies. It's not unusual for people to spend thousands of dollars per year on their hobbies. Some people like to travel, some are collectors, others play sports, some of us fly. It's about living and enjoying life rather than simply existing. Hiring escorts has all sorts of emotional baggage attached to it, largely because of the way that society at large views prostitution. So we can quickly and easily get to a place where we think we are doing something wrong. But I think that so long as we live within our means and don't endanger others, then choosing to live life is the right way to go. How escorts fit into that picture is just part of the puzzle that we each get to play.

 

There are many times when I'm on the road when I decide that I'd rather hire somebody for a massage on one or more nights and perhaps an escort for another night. I've learned that for me, it's more fun to spend an hour on each of three nights than to spend three hours with one guy on one night -- usually. Sometimes, I might make the other decision. I've also learned that after a long day, I'm often more in the mood for a massage with a hot young guy than anything much beyond that. Fortunately, the prices charged for massage are usually quite a bit lower, so I get what I feel is a bargain.

 

If I'm in LA for a few days, I might decide that I'll spend $500 on fun while I'm there. That could be one guy for three hours or two or three guys for less time each. Sometimes deciding how to choose is part of the fun!

[whipped guy]

I would imagine that most anyone on this forum could pay the most expensive rate out there should he choose to do so. Choosing not to pay a rate that one thinks is unreasonable in no way speaks to one's ability to afford it. Instead, I think it speaks to one's ability to make good decisions. …But I think that so long as we live within our means and don't endanger others, then choosing to live life is the right way to go. How escorts fit into that picture is just part of the puzzle that we each get to play.

 

Exactly! … See my signature line below… Yes! We all must make choices in our lives and indeed some of us do make better choices than others in that large “puzzle” that constitutes life.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Very well stated BG. It's also a matter of percentage of income and that has a great affect on what one can or is willing to pay for any service or product. The users of this board and the review site obviously have a level of discretionary income that allows the indulgence of hiring hot guys from time to time. For some it's easy to plunk down $500 an hour while for many it may be a bit of a stretch to afford a guy who's half that rate.

 

BTW, Boston Guy, have you read any good books lately? Your recommendations are always interesting and enjoyable. :-)

[+ ArVaGuy]

>

>I'm sure it's nice to have the level of wealth which affords

>you the opportunity to throw your money around and brag about

>it in the manner that you do on this board. Congrats. "

>

>Yes Aravguy it is very nice - I accept your congratulations

>with the graciousness I'm sure it was intended.

>

 

 

You are very welcome and can take it in the same vein as your "cheap hourly John" comment. Love you too, Dear. }(

[rentingdad]

you can put lipstick on a pig....everyone knows the rest!