Escort warning: Paul a.k.a. hansummuscle36 currently in Pittsburgh

[JT Brooklyn]

BigJoey...Paul also has 2 Reviews I think they are on MER. One is good, the Other does read a little like a guy with a grudge..IMHO

 

I'm pretty sure the First Few Pix's he has on "Big Muscle" are recent.

Apparently his Daddys Pix is.

[Lookin]

Sounds to me like the escort was picking up on a personality mismatch, and didn’t want to prolong it. The first “confusing” email he sent was probably meant to call things off without a lot of fuss. When you sent him another email, he again tried to back off without any sturm und drang. When you sent him another email twelve hours later, you let him know that it just wasn’t going to go away, and he probably felt backed into a corner, with no option left but to lash out.

 

At least that’s my read.

 

I’m basing it on my approach to escort hookups, which may be quite different from yours, so my take on things may very well be out of synch with the way you look at things. I rarely spend more than a few minutes setting up a one or two hour appointment with an escort, and cover just the basics. For me, the only reason for more than one phone call or email, would be to find a time that works for us both. Spending a lot of time talking about what we’re going to do, and how, is too cerebral for me. I’d rather let those things play out when we meet.

 

The best hookups for me are fairly relaxed and low key. If an escort were to spend even five minutes talking about likes and dislikes for a short hookup, it would indeed cause “performance anxiety” on my part, and let me know the appointment probably wasn’t going to work. As a client, I’d try to back off quickly, and with a minimum of fuss, just as Paul did. If pressed too hard, I'd probably have gone quiet, and sent that final email only as a last resort.

 

Not saying one’s right and one’s wrong. It’s just that different people have different personalities, and different approaches to personal relations.

 

Sounds like Paul picked up on the fact that you and he were mismatched, and tried to get that across in his own low impact way. When he realized that wasn’t going to work, he upped the volume. Chances are you wouldn’t have had a good time, had the meeting actually occurred.

[Steven_Draker]

Excellent reply, Lookin

 

>I’m basing it on my approach to escort hookups, which may be

>quite different from yours, so my take on things may very well

>be out of synch with the way you look at things. I rarely

>spend more than a few minutes setting up a one or two hour

>appointment with an escort

 

Unlike doing a background check on the escort in question, contacting him from two different email accounts, setting up by email a convenient time for a call (from a blocked number of course) ...

obviously some people have too much time on their hands ...

 

>Not saying one’s right and one’s wrong. It’s just that

>different people have different personalities, and different

>approaches to personal relations.

 

Agreed and agreed. If one gets a bad vibe it's preferable not to proceed with the meeting. I've experienced it myself and learned the hard way.

 

Steve, don't take it personally. Don't obsess over his reaction. Look around and hopefully you'll find soon your "match". Good luck in your future hiring.

 

Steven Draker ~

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[Guest josephga]

I do think the guy should have canceled over the phone and not by text. but like rick said i think some people are scared of confrontation.

[JT Brooklyn]

I'm sure that Client's Cancel ALOT more than Working Guys, probably not always with the Best of Reason's.

 

Working Guys have been known to be an IMPLUSE Buy! Which the "Smart Ones" learn real fast as far as their Client Cancelling on them goes!

 

IF a "Working Guy" does Cancel, there's a little less in his Pocket come Rent Time! Which I'm thinking is not in his Best Interest's. ;-)

[Guest josephga]

I had a massage client book a massage last week at 11am for a 1pm and he didnt even bother to cancel just didnt show. he had been here twice b4, he never answered or returned the message i left..

[Gar1eth]

>I started a thread about an escort cancelling at the last

>minute after several contacts by phone and e mail. The thread

>was in regard to chubby and obese. That escort had my height

>and weight at the first contact and he was contacted several

>times and then came the last minute chubby but not obese

>statement. That escort unnamed in my thread was this same

>escort.

>So perhaps one late cancellation is just that. And perhaps

>two are just coincidence. Take the information and use it or

>not. The negativity toward this poster is confusing to me.

 

 

I am not going to say (much) about the vituperation shown in this thread--because I only skimmed the OP's comments because they were long. When I get a chance--I will peruse it thoroughly and possibly render a public opinion. What I will say just from skimming this thread is that I agree with Purplekow--many of the attacks seem waaaayy out of line. And some of those foremost in the attack mode, I believe have complained of similar tactics being turned on them in the past.

 

As for Paul, I met him--2 years ago--he is a handsome guy although if you if you pull up his Big Muscle profile and look at the dates of the pictures--most of them are years old and he doesn't look exactly like that.

 

As for his conduct, I too am overweight, but I informed him of this beforehand--my recollection is that he wanted a lot to drink --(alcohol-wise) before proceeding with anything(although he never became sloppily drunk) . Once liquored up he was ok--nothing special. I have no idea if he needed the alcohol for "courage" in dealing with me--or if he just likes to drink.

 

Gman

[steve]

Steve, I think the point I was trying to make, which was not clearly presented, was that Paul made a decision to cancel, and really didn't bother to inform me of the reasons why. It wasn't until he sent his third message, that he explained himself.

 

He cancelled the meeting based on his false perceptions of what I was interested in. What prompted me to post all of this in the first place, was that his email was rather condescending and sent a message as to what he thinks of clients in general - that we're nothing but "johns" to him.

 

Succinctly, he feels that he owes no further explanations to his clients when he cancels on a whim.

 

Based on these facts, I do think it is worth noting this information to a potential client. That, plus Gman's indication that Paul didn't necessarily match his pictures and had quite a bit to drink, are warning flags.

[steve]

Rick,

 

I can see your point about not wanting confrontation. My only counterpoint is that he was making his decision based on false perceptions of what I was expecting.

 

Had he called me and said he had some concerns, I would have cleared the air, and not only would he have booked the appointment, but I would also have booked him for an additional hour.

 

I certainly don't expect any escort to be a robot and fuck for an hour, although, there are some who physically can do it (Michael from Columbus, since retired and Rocco from Argentina).

 

Both of those men have an unbelievable amount of stamina and can take any bottom to heaven.

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[steve]

Did someone piss in your cheerios?

[Gar1eth]

Thread Hijack

 

>Hi all,

>

>>Actually, if you actually think about it and have some

>basic

>>knowledge of psychology ... the person who has obvious

>>self-esteem issues is the person who "expects"

>>respect from an escort they haven't met not the other way

>>around.

>

>In this case I totally agree with Rick, and I fully disagree

>with ariadne (sorry aridane, for a change I don't agree).

>

>In short: I don't see why the fact that two people haven't met

>before is an excuse to be disrespectful.

>

>We would be living in a funny society if that were not the

>case.

>

>I don't see either why the fact, that one of the two is an

>escort, is an excuse to be disrespectful either.

>

>However, I do see that some clients may not have very high

>expectations on the point of the respect that they can expect

>from an escort, but that's nowhere near an excuse for any

>escort to treat his clients with disrespect.

>

>I think that if any service-provider can't treat their

>prospective clients or customers with respect, then they

>should leave the business they're in. After all clients and

>customers pay the income of the service-provider.

>

>I also think it comes down to the category the escort (or any

>serivce-provider) wants to be in. If an escort wants to have

>style and class, then he will treat all those he deals with

>with respect.

>

>I always do my best to treat my clients with respect, even

>those whom I think take too much of my time when there's no

>view on an appointment.

>If I think that a client is taking too much of my time, then I

>politely slow down the email-conversation. In no way will I

>tell or write the client that he's taking too much of my

>time.

>

>There are more useful things to mention, i.e. I don't think

>that this escort showed too much disrespect, but that's a

>different matter and I'll go there in a separate post (it's

>late and I'm still having the effects of a jet-lag).

>

>Write to you later guys !!

>

>Sincerely, Anton/Amsterdam.

>

>ps: For those who like to know: I'm now in Florida-SW. If you

>like to know more, then check the "Escort travel"

>section or drop me a line. :-)

>

 

 

 

Anton,

 

Sorry to hijack the thread, but I've looked in the Travelling Section and I don't see a notice by you. Am I just missing it?

 

Gman

[ariadne1880]

Anton: there is a big difference between being "disrepectful" and "expecting respect." A big, big difference.

 

I think that expecting "respect" from someone you have never met is downright silly if not bordering on some sort of psychosis. "Respect" -- as we are all taught as children -- is something that one "earns" over time. It is not automatically granted.

 

That being said, "disrespecting" someone is entirely different. "Disrespect" is not the opposite of "expecting respect."

 

And, for the record, I don't think this particular escort "disprected" anyone ... it's just that the client's expectations were beyond what most people consider reasonable.

[curtis20009]

I wonder if he's doing drugs now. Some guys can't handdle making money and having cash in their hands. He has some good reviews on MER. Probably he fucked up encounters with guys that are too active online... Sometimes it's all a matter of luck.

I'll keep an eye on him.

[Gar1eth]

>Steve, I think the point I was trying to make, which was not

>clearly presented, was that Paul made a decision to cancel,

>and really didn't bother to inform me of the reasons why. It

>wasn't until he sent his third message, that he explained

>himself.

>

>He cancelled the meeting based on his false perceptions of

>what I was interested in. What prompted me to post all of

>this in the first place, was that his email was rather

>condescending and sent a message as to what he thinks of

>clients in general - that we're nothing but "johns"

>to him.

>

>Succinctly, he feels that he owes no further explanations to

>his clients when he cancels on a whim.

>

>Based on these facts, I do think it is worth noting this

>information to a potential client. That, plus Gman's

>indication that Paul didn't necessarily match his pictures and

>had quite a bit to drink, are warning flags.

>

 

 

I want to clarify something from my original post TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DON'T GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION. When I saw Paul 2 years ago, he was a handsome guy. He didn't look exactly like his pictures, but I think he was fairly close--except older and that was the point I was trying to make. Most of the pictures that he advertised with 2 years ago were several years old at that point. I knew this because the same pictures were on his Big Muscle page--and the posted dates from those pictures were from several years before. The main differences that I remember was that he was a little skinnier and not quite as muscular--maybe a 10 to 20% difference in appearance.

 

The experience was still only mediocre--but I did want to clarify that it wasn't like the pictures he used were 15 years out of date.

 

Gman

[JT Brooklyn]

Gman. I am of the thinking having emailed with Paul Several times that he like a few others, "Works It" on a very Part Time basis. More like a Hobby, he puts up ADS a couple of days before he will be Traveling somewhere probably for his Job or visiting Friends.

 

BUT his destination is not just for "Working It" purposes as others do.

 

That being said.. I think he would be more inclined to be even more selective about his Clients. This whole Cancellation thing to some is taken way to seriously. IMHO of course!

 

As far as his Pix's go..The last set in the Black Polo Shirt do show a very Goodlooking MAN! ;-)

[Guest zipperzone]

>I wonder if he's doing drugs now. Some guys can't handdle

>making money and having cash in their hands. He has some good

>reviews on MER. Probably he fucked up encounters with guys

>that are too active online... Sometimes it's all a matter of

>luck.

>I'll keep an eye on him.

 

Gee thanks - don't know what we'd do without you looking out for us.

[curtis20009]

C'mon that's better then a no show. I'm glad you had time to call someone else or at least try to make plans with another guy.