What is a Client Mentor

[luvtwink]

Has a thread going a few weeks back,,,,poster said he was a "client Mentor" to an escort...Whats that?

[+ Tom Isern]

I suppose that for some folks being a good escort comes naturally. For some of us there is a lot to learn—especially for those of us who practice on the dom/sub, bdsm, and any type of kink side of things.

 

For instance, if there is one creature in the world I've always found it damn near impossible to understand, that is the bottom. Yet he is almost always my client. And here’s what I have learned: There ain't one universal interchangeable bottom-type—oh no!—each one comes with his own unique hard wiring and code that runs that unspeakably complicated sex machine. (And the instructions aren't part of the package.) Sorting it all out can be bewildering at times, exhausting at others, and extremely rewarding at others. One minute they want to be strung up from an electric wire in a public park by a clothespin on their nipple in a thunderstorm and the next minute they want a 10" vibrator massaging their little toe while you’re sitting on their face and playing with their ass—and they'll always want you to deduce that from the shade of red that is beaming out of their eyes. (Note: that expectation doesn’t change when you blindfold them, I’ve tried!) Being a step ahead of all that is a great challenge.

 

Seriously, and fortunately for me, I've attracted a few of the best client/mentors out there. They are bottom clients who are patient and communicative, (“How DO you do nipple work?” “ Ouch! Don’t touch mine!!!” Note: Tom Isern’s nipples are NOT connected.) tell you what they want, how to do it (if need be), and then conference with you afterwards so you are better at your game next time around. One of my client/mentors is currently bringing an arsenal of toys, half of which plug into electric outlets and would scare Dr. Frankenstein, and the other half look like torture equipment stolen from a medieval dungeon. He's teaching me dirty tricks!! Another one of my most helpful and faithful mentor-clients coined the name "Isern" for me and consults with me about my marketing, etc. I have learned SO FUCKING MUCH from my mentor/clients and I send a HUGE thank you to you guys who pay and teach because you are the kind considerate souls who keep the whole ball of wax rolling. Like everyone else in the world, escorts LEARN their craft. And the worthy souls who realize that and do that work are remarkable people. Love and kisses and a hot prod to you all.

[+ Lucky]

I need a mentor, Tom. I've never tried any toy that plugged in...to an electrical outlet.

[Guest ncm2169]

That poster may have been me, I can't recall.

 

I've had the pleasure of being a mentor to newbie escorts for going on 6 years. In my case that means I scout around greater Minneapolis for new talent, and I help them navigate the online scene - helping them get listed on the right escort listing sites, explaining the immense value of Reviews on both the Review sites, giving them tips on positioning themselves price-wise, talk to them about general "escort - client etiquette" - it all amounts to showing them the ropes, so to speak. Lately I've been able to arrange for a complete (and free) professional photoshoot done by a buddy of mine who also builds them a website.

 

I'm within a couple of days of introducing three such newbies. :9

 

Standby! }(

[rentingdad]

MENTOR = PIMP

[ur2hott]

RE: What is a Client Mentor?

 

Does a Client mentor also receive services - provide hands on training maybe in the art of escorting?

What does a client mentor gain - pay, services, both?:9

[Guest ncm2169]

< MENTOR = PIMP

 

Since you seem to enjoy a Bull in the China Shop approach to your thinking, I may risk you not comprehending my response. I'll say it as delicately as I can.

 

Go Fuck Yourself.

 

If you want to libel someone, I suggest you go elsewhere. You are indulging in guesswork and you are wrong. Please do not post here about my personal activities, of which you have NO personal or firsthand knowledge.

 

Get a life, buddy.

[Guest ncm2169]

RE: What is a Client Mentor?

 

I suppose the ultimate answer is, "it all depends."

 

In my case, I happen to totally enjoy the satisfaction of helping a young guy get from Point A to Point B, and use escorting as a stepping stone to a better place. Money is not ever involved. Whether the mentorship/friendship/relationship ever develops into sexual activity on any level, is frosting on the cake, and yes, it has developed into that in my case, specifically my current roommate situation to which I have referred here several times before.

[Guest PWIT]

lighten up ncm...you love to jump to conclusions and attribute things to others based on minimal information in a post. unless you plan to change your behavior, makes no sense for you to ask others to refrain.

[Guest ncm2169]

If you'd been called a pimp on this or another message board by a drunk who can't hold his liquor, I daresay you might be a bit sensitive too, PWIT.

 

I am thoroughly disgusted by a few lurkers here who cannot conceive of good will gestures as being an end in themselves. Those cynics deserve my reproach and I have no plans of backing off.

[rentingdad]

"I am thoroughly disgusted by a few lurkers here who cannot conceive of good will." Well I'm not a "lurker" - at least on these boards - I've been around a while and have participated in these forums for a long time.

 

I know a pimp when I see one.

 

Here the definition:

 

Often [1], low level pimps will initially present themselves as lovers or father-figures to prostitutes (who may be run-aways or otherwise lack a family network) before introducing them to prostitution and perhaps drug addiction. This practice is called "turning out." The pimp-prostitute relationship can be abusive, with the pimp using psychological intimidation, manipulation and physical force to control the members in the "stable".

 

Based on the above our friend from the Twin Cities seems to be "turning out" young men - I guess you could call it Mentoring!

[JamesK840]

RE: What is a Client Mentor?

 

Usually I'd think of it as starting as starting with hiring a guy from a place like casual encounters on Craigslist (or SMB in the old days) and helping 'elevate' him to be reviewed here and advertising on Rentboy.

 

I've never quite succeeded though. All great escorts really do treat it like a career and the guys I've tried to help just saw it as a 'one time thing' even when they'd done it dozens and dozens of times.

[+ Tom Isern]

Rentingdad, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? Who said ANYTHING about "using psychological intimidation, manipulation and physical force"?

[Guest ncm2169]

I wouldn't bother with the scumbag, Tom. He's not worth your or my time. He doesn't care about the facts - he just wants to hear (read) himself spew his venom. You've been around here long enough to recognize the phenomenon - if he gets attention it just encourages him. Leave him alone and let him spew all the crap he wants. When he gets no attention he may - just may - find another forum.

[rentingdad]

sorry Tom you're right there was nothing said about those things.

 

However I just have this view of a creepy old man in Minneapolis/St. Paul trolling through gyms, bars, bus stations looking for "newbies to the scene" and encouraging them to become an escort - helping them "find their way" and "navigate the online scene" -- then after he has finished with his "mentoring" he "unveils them to the world..." -- just strikes me as strange, manipulative and untoward. If a guy is going to escort he should be able to handle the "business" side of it as well and if he needs someone to "mentor" him in the business then he's probably not cut out for it - particularly if that "mentor" is a potential client.

[Guest PWIT]

>He doesn't care about the facts - he just wants

>to hear (read) himself spew his venom.

 

LOL...pot meet kettle

[Guest EuropTravl]

>>If a guy is going to escort he should be able to handle the "business" side of it as well and if he needs someone to "mentor" him in the business then he's probably not cut out for it - particularly if that "mentor" is a potential client.<<

 

I've been here a while and seen a lot of guys for example Scott Adler introducing "newbies" to the board all the time. Benjamin Nicholas used to talk about fellow escorts and put them in his "approved and recommended" column. Some guys mention other less known escorts they've done scenes with and would again. I guess there must be an age cut-off where things go from "thanks for the tip!" to "Eeeeeewwww!"

 

 

Tell me, ncm2169, have you stopped beating your boys with the broken off car antenna? No? Yes?

 

[Guest ncm2169]

< Tell me, ncm2169, have you stopped beating your boys with the broken off car antenna? No? Yes?

 

ROFLMFAO!!!

 

I thought you were in France - do you mean to tell me that France has the internet? }(

 

Ummm, yes, I know, tell me to go pound sand cuz France excels in internet connections while the US is worse than the Dark Ages. x(

[Guest ncm2169]

I'll do one more post on this thread and then I'm done. Readers can like it or not, as they wish.

 

Every time the subject of my mentoring escorts gets controversial here, I get far more private messages and emails, and yes, even posts here from people supportive of my efforts, than I get criticism.

 

Any poster here has the right to criticize another poster for anything - hopefully the criticism will be couched in respectful terms, but I'll admit I can sometimes get heated and I'll fire off a zinger. Bottom line is that I can tolerate criticism - I just usually consider the source.

 

I discovered the male escort "scene" back in around 2001, when I stumbled across the Hooboy site. I hired early and often when I traveled on business, and I picked up on a fairly consistent theme when engaged in conversation with those guys - for them it was a "bridge" to get from Point A to Point B, i.e., weather a financial crisis and arrive at a better place. Along my journey, I learned of guys who pursue this business for a myriad of other reasons and I respect their life choices, Tom Isern and Rod Hagen, to name two who happen to hail from my neck-of-the-woods here in Minnesota.

 

I do random surfing online daily (since I work from home) and I began to "stumble" on guys who were looking to get into the "sex biz," and I began contacting them, offering to help them get started. My motives were pure - I wanted to show them how to use "The Biz" to accomplish their goals. There never have been, and there will never be any quid pro quos. Money is NEVER part of the deal.

 

I do what I do (help young guys put their lives back together) because I enjoy it and it gives me immense satisfaction. In the process, I've made some truly awesome friendships, and one current (and hopefully long-term) relationship.

 

I can understand how a few here who are so cynical might misinterpret my motives and go so far as to libel me. I feel sorry for them. Hey, I'm not looking for kudos for my efforts, but I sure as hell don't think I deserve the name-calling.

 

Plus, the local client contingent certainly appreciates my efforts. }(

 

That's a wrap.

[Guest EuropTravl]

I'm leaving soon, mon cherie.

 

:*

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Pimp is not PC.

 

I believe the correct term is " Escort Development Coordinator"

[Guest ncm2169]

WnWB, you always make me laugh. That's a wonderful thing. :+ :+ :+

 

All Hail Bears. }(

[+ David-SF]

I will say this

I wish when I started escorting ....or shall I put it this way

.......having survival sex

Had someone like ncm been around to show me another way i would have been spared a lot of humiliating and unfortunate events in my life.

 

I am happy to have found my way and see how important and rewarding this work is for me. and on the subject (thank you Tom Isern) all my important lessons came from the experiences and advice and the support i received and still receive from clients.

 

maybe just maybe i can appreciate it in a way that some can not because of my past experiences to draw from.

 

I do often cross paths with and enjoy helping other "newbies" with some friendly advice and tips on web sites and more.

so its a good deed to help in anyway and if motives are involved sexual or otherwise we are all adults making adult decisions being an escort is a lot about sex for money

money is access and meets your needs

i would have happily engaged in a hot sexual romp on many occasions with ncm if he was responsible for opening up the world of professional escorting to me and my life being what it is today it would be the very least i could do.

the relationship that would be formed is priceless

and would probably go on for a lifetime

 

I sometimes think of the age old saying

 

"give" a man a fish he eats for a day

"teach" a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

 

Just my opinion

Love David/SF

[Guest ncm2169]

< i would have happily engaged in a hot sexual romp on many occasions with ncm

 

Is it too late? }(

 

I wish that our paths would cross any time soon. Meanwhile, dude, you sound like you're doin' just fine. Keep up the good work!! And thanks for the kind words. You're keeping up with your reputation as a Total Class Dude!!! }( }(

 

Mark in Mpls

[+ Charlie]

Masculine adjective with feminine noun? Hmmm...too subtle for me.