Would you still hire someone even if they don't find your race attractive?

[Boomer]

I think that there are some escorts who like to cherry pick. After reading several good reviews on Cameron in Los Angeles I sent him an email with the intent to hire. He returned a boilerplate response and asked me for a picture. His pictures are all from below the neck and yet he wanted me to send a face pic. It made me wonder who's hiring. Needless to say, I did not pursue the dialog.

[+ Axiom2001]

>You are correct in that sex is a very intimate and personal

>thing, I understand that, I assume that you judge from person

>to person, but not reject them as a whole. That's what bothers

>me. They might not have listed on their massage profile, but

>just the thought of someone who find something wrong with your

>race just shows a poor character, I might find their body

>attractive, but of course I will spare myself and won't hire

>them.

 

 

 

P R E C I S E L Y! P R E C I S E L Y! P R E C I S E L Y!

[SAdler]

>I recently saw these two really hot masseur couple Barak and

>Ben's profile on Manhunt.net, they clearly indicated on their

>profile that they are not attracted to Asian guys.

 

There is a flaw in this logic that I have complained about since day one here regarding ManHunt and various other hookup sites.

 

Many escorts and porn stars only have sex for money. I can accept that. I'm definitely not one of them. I thoroughly enjoy sex and have no qualms about logging onto my personal favorite, ManHunt, and finding a hot ass to fuck or cock to ride. However, when I'm on there I state that I'm attracted to "younger looking in shape versatile well hung guys." I used to have what I'm not attracted to but things were left off the list, yadda yadda, people thought it was bitchy, long story. I assure you though that the bulk of my clients are not "younger looking in younger looking in shape versatile well hung guys." That of course doesn't mean that I don't enjoy what I do with them, enjoy the sex, and make sure they enjoy their time with me.

 

Anyway, ManHunt is NOT AN ESCORT PICK UP SITE; in fact, if you advertise that you are available for such activities they will erase said information in profile, warn you, delete your account, etc. This doesn't stop the client half of the culture from soliciting boys. Some people now have to state in their profile, "not an escort, don't ask" or the like. Occasionally someone will get lucky and message an escort, otherwise they're simply assuming everyone on the site is for hire.

 

There ARE websites like gaydar and Adam4Adam that HAVE escort sections in which this behavior would be completely valid. ManHunt isn't one of them. If an escort is on ManHunt chances are they're looking for someone they are INTO to fool around with. Just because I'm not INTO someone as my own sexual preference it doesn't mean that I won't be able to perform, have a good time, and make sure THEY have a good time.

 

Moral of the story: Read the ESCORT'S ad, not their personal ad to decide if you're going to make an appointment with someone. If they say that they don't see asians in their profile (I'm doubting they do) then I'd understand your point. But if you are basing a business judgment on their personal life I think you're just preventing YOURSELF from having a good time with someone you probably would have enjoyed meeting since you were interested to begin with.

 

P.S. Was thinking of some of the "ways" people say they're not into someone on ManHunt as I wrote the last bit -- sometimes pretty rude and uncalled for. If the way they said "no" to Asians was INSULTING I may see your point but if they were respectful about it, i.e. "not into asians, femmes, ... etc." then I'm standing by my soapbox

[+ Lucky]

Well, the original point is well-taken. If I were Asian and these guys were quoted ANYWHERE saying that they were not into Asians, I wouldn't hire them. That said, since I am not Asian, I wouldn't hire them either as I think to discard an entire race of people sexually is rather bigoted. I don't find bigots to be much fun.

[SAdler]

>If I were Asian and

>these guys were quoted ANYWHERE saying that they were not into

>Asians, I wouldn't hire them. That said, since I am not Asian,

>I wouldn't hire them either as I think to discard an entire

>race of people sexually is rather bigoted. I don't find bigots

>to be much fun.

 

OK ... this is my point that you've COMPLETELY missed. Are we as homosexuals expected to be attracted to and fuck EVERY other homosexual? Do all straight women want to get fucked by ALL straight men because their parts go together?

 

No. People have types, what they're attracted to. You're either into someone or your not. On a melting pot website like manhunt saying you're not a match with someone saves you both time. For example, if I were to say I'm not attracted to blondes, your logic comes to the conclusion that I'm bigoted against blondes. Do you see how silly that sounds?

 

It's a sex hookup site. People looking for people they're attracted to. Saying you're not attracted someone is NOT a racial slur.

[Guest josephga]

I agree sadler you cant compare what a person says on manhunt too whats on a escort site or a masseur site.. manhunt, gay com match .com are personal sites.. I'm not sexual attracted too older guys or over weight guys but i don't think that should stop those people from booking a massage with me since all my work is limited too hand contact only and those preferences are not listed in any of my business ads..

[Guest GBoy]

I have never said anything about how good their service would be. So I wouldn't know if the massage would be good or not. But the whole point is I don't want to hire them base on their believes not their scales. When you are not a minority, you don't understand the prejudice out there. I don't care how nicely you said you don't like Asians, "YOU DON'T LIKE ASIANS" period. For whatever the reason, you don't. I understand there is sexual preferences in looks.

But a whole race of people have so many different looks, how do you justify eliminate them all? How do you compare someone blond to someone's skin color? If you are blond, you can always dye it black, but if you are asian, can't you turn yourself into white or black? We are born as we are, and as a society, we need to be more colorblind. It's just kind of sad in such a diverse city like NY, there are still tons of guys with such a limited vision of the world.

[Boomer]

I don't find fault in the argument that sexual attraction is what it is and that there's no sense in trying to be politically correct. I happen to like short guys, but that's not to say that I don't find some tall guys appealing. I do think comparing a blond to a person of a specific ethnicity is a bit specious. Blonds can always color their hair. It's a superficial prejudice to not care for blonds and is probably not that hurtful to the blond, if in fact, blonds do have more fun. However, if you're Asian, you're Asian, if your African American that's who you are. Clairol doesn't sell a bottle to change that. Ethnicity goes to the core of identity. Hook-up posts can often be mean spirited. The most hateful in my mind is, "no fats, fems or blacks or Asians or fill in the blank." There are ways to say the same things without offending. Perhaps; "I'm into, well-built, masculine white guys." It's very easy for those who have not experienced racial discrimination to be flip about its impact on another human being. That's why with gay people I alway find it surprising how mean we can be to others since many, if not most of us, have felt the sting of homophobia. If one were to be out, or effeminate in high-school or had some other behavior that might identify our sexual orientation we were probably teased and perhaps harassed if not worse. If someone lives their life in the closet then they're being persecuted in other ways by being unable to be who they are and perpetrating homophobia, not to mention the debilitation of internalized homophobia. (Think Larry Craig.) It just seems that as a group of people who have suffered through so much shit we could be a bit kinder to those whom we find incompatible sexual partners. Just for the record, I am occasionally attracted to blonds, although I find dark hair sexier :9

[SAdler]

Well this is getting so much further out of hand than it needed to. I genuinely think that you might be extra sensitive about this and your outrage at their exclusion might be stemming from just general disappointment that your not their “type.” But think of it this way, you still have the option of using money to “change their mind.”

 

I can’t tell you how many times I have come across the profile of my ideal type and read, “Latins and Asians ONLY. No white guys, sorry just a preference.” Yeah, it sucks but you accept it and move on. It’s a HOOKUP site, not everyone is going to be into everyone. It’s not prejudice against you as a person, just establishing a lack of sexual attraction … there are MANY factors in the Asian biology and culture for example that could be attributing to their preference aside from an assumed superficial judgement.

 

I am happy to admit when I am wrong and the blonde comparison was not apt. It just happened to be the first thing that came to mind in terms of things people judge on for manhunt. I understand you are born the way that you are but a person can’t control how they are turned on sexually, they just are attracted to what they are attracted to. So again, the blonde reference was a totally off the cuff unthought out idea. But the aforementioned premise that certain traits attract us and certain traits turn us off still holds true.

 

I of course think that if someone is RUDE about how they are attracted to someone then your feelings are valid but starting a crusade against someone because you don’t fit into their sexual preferences in their personal life just isn’t right.

 

Boomer is completely right in that some of the worst prejudice our culture deals with is from within our own social networks. Eating our own, in-group/out-group dynamics, “them” and “us” ideals are all present and suck … but we have to look at the bigger picture and acknowledge people that subscribe to those mentalities for what they are – ignorant.

[Rick Munroe]

>I can’t tell you how many times I have come across the profile

>of my ideal type and read, “Latins and Asians ONLY. No white

>guys, sorry just a preference.” Yeah, it sucks but you accept

>it and move on.

 

Good point. I don't look for casual sex online anymore, but when I did, yeah, that would happen occasionally and I'd just move on to the next profile. Although, I don't have an ideal type myself...I am attracted to many different kinds of guys. And no, that isn't just public relations for this board. I really do like a broad range of types and ages and sizes, and even Derek can't figure my tastes out after all this time. But...as for the topic of this thread, I really think that every escort has the right to be attracted to whatever type(s) they are attracted to, as long as they express it respectfully. It's in the clients' best interest to know!

[Guest GBoy]

"I genuinely think that you might be extra sensitive about this and your outrage at their exclusion might be stemming from just general disappointment that your not their “type."

I am not outrage, but more disappointed. I am ok with that they are not attracted to me, but just as Boomer said, they didn't say it in the right way. And it was offensive to me, should be to anyone who is asian.

 

"can’t tell you how many times I have come across the profile of my ideal type and read, “Latins and Asians ONLY. No white guys, sorry just a preference.” Yeah, it sucks but you accept it and move on." Well, I do accepted and move on, cause I would never meet that person. And it's fine. But what I point out here is without seeing their profile, I could have hire them, but later on read the profile, it will make me feel a bit cheated and annoyed that I pay money to them when I found out their personal view is so narrow.

 

"starting a crusade against someone because you don’t fit into their sexual preferences in their personal life just isn’t right." I never said anything about how good their massage is or tell people not to see them, I am just trying to bring up this issue and people can decide for themselves. I don't see that as a CRUSADE against someone. I haven't write any fake review on them or even put their name on the headline. But I did put their names on the post, which is a bit rash, I guess cause I was a bit annoyed at the time I read it, so I just rush into writing the post. And I never know it would turn out to be such a long post. But I have to say I am glad some many people share their opinion and I am glad to see some people see what I am talking about.

 

You keep saying it's just a hook-up site, so what? Yea, so what? just because it's a hook up site, doesn't make it less painful to see. I have read an article on Genre magazine talking about this topic a while back, and the writer point out the exactly prejudice on the hook up site against minority. I might be over sensitive, but I just want people to be nicer, if you don't like a certain look, just like Boomer said, point out what you like on your profile, and if someone approach you that you are not interested in, just tell him nicely.That's all.

[sizzlingrice]

I am Asian, and have been told by masseurs and escorts alike that I am very good looking. Will I hire someone (whether for massage or escorting) knowing that they don't prefer Asians? No. Do I feel bad about it? No. Each has their own preference and I respect that that's their preference. They're being honest and you can't fault them for that.

 

Then I move on to the next.

[Guest zipperzone]

>I understand you are born the way that you are but a person

>can’t control how they are turned on sexually, they just are

>attracted to what they are attracted to.

 

I think that most of us - if we were being completly honest - would have to admit that there is a "type" or "types" that we are not attracted to sexually. That does not mean we can't appreciate them as a person - it just means we're not about to jump into bed with them.

[+ Lucky]

It's fine when we are talking about a "person." But when someone excludes an entire race, he's not the kind of guy I want to see.

[SAdler]

>I am not outrage, but more disappointed. I am ok with that

>they are not attracted to me, but just as Boomer said, they

>didn't say it in the right way. And it was offensive to me,

>should be to anyone who is asian.

 

Maybe I guess I'm just missing something, how was it said?

 

>Well, I do accepted and move on,

>cause I would never meet that person. And it's fine. But what

>I point out here is without seeing their profile, I could have

>hire them, but later on read the profile, it will make me feel

>a bit cheated and annoyed that I pay money to them when I

>found out their personal view is so narrow.

 

All you would have learned was that you weren't their type to sleep with probono.

 

>I never said anything about how good their

>massage is or tell people not to see them, I am just trying to

>bring up this issue and people can decide for themselves. I

>don't see that as a CRUSADE against someone. I haven't write

>any fake review on them or even put their name on the

>headline. But I did put their names on the post, which is a

>bit rash, I guess cause I was a bit annoyed at the time I read

>it, so I just rush into writing the post. And I never know it

>would turn out to be such a long post. But I have to say I am

>glad some many people share their opinion and I am glad to see

>some people see what I am talking about.

 

Well putting their names on a post that makes people not hire them because they're not attracted to a particular culture is rather unfair. Again, I understand if they come across as racist and bigotted in their profiles but at this point all I'm getting from your posts is that they said, "I'm not attracted to asians."

 

>You keep saying it's just a hook-up site, so what? Yea, so

>what? just because it's a hook up site, doesn't make it less

>painful to see. I have read an article on Genre magazine

>talking about this topic a while back, and the writer point

>out the exactly prejudice on the hook up site against

>minority.

 

ITS SEX. NOT EVERYONE IS MEANT TO HAVE SEX WITH EVERYONE ELSE

 

Throwing around words like prejudice and bigotry when talking about a sex site is like comparing asians to blondes The website is purely for guys who want to fuck to find someone they want to fuck to do it. Nothing more, nothing less. It can't be taken so seriously.

 

>I might be over sensitive, but I just want people to

>be nicer, if you don't like a certain look, just like Boomer

>said, point out what you like on your profile, and if someone

>approach you that you are not interested in, just tell him

>nicely.That's all.

 

This is my question. If the person is not attracted to overweight people, asians, other minorities, etc. what would be a satisfactory was of saying so? I know that when my profile was explicit about what I didn't want I got flack for it but didn't get responses from people I didn't want to meet. Now that I have a profile saying what I do want but don't exclude I get LOTS of people that DO NOT meet those criteria by a long shot and specifically are not in the parameters I set. From what I'm understanding even a polite, "I'm not into asians" is a prejudiced and biggoted remark.

 

>I think that most of us - if we were being completly honest - would >have to admit that there is a "type" or "types" that we are not >attracted to sexually. That does not mean we can't appreciate them as >a person - it just means we're not about to jump into bed with them.

 

I think that was an excellent way of saying it.

[Rick Munroe]

>NOT EVERYONE IS MEANT TO HAVE SEX WITH EVERYONE ELSE

 

Speak for yourself. }(

[Epigonos]

I would like to emphasize a point that Scott has already made. When dealing with sex we are dealing with image and fantasy. All of us who hire escorts hire those that we do because they provide a certain image we covet and or fulfill a fantasy or fantasies that we harbor. I, for example, “generally" do not hire escorts who are:

1.) blond and fair, 2.) total tops, 3.) skinny twinks. I sincerely believe that these limits DO NOT make me a flaming bigot after all it is my money and my fantasies. Why should the situation be any different for an escort. He is an independent businessman who has the right to limit his business any way he wishes. In doing this he might also limit his income but again that is his choice. As long as the guy is upfront and honest I don’t understand all the hullabaloo.

[SAdler]

>Why should

>the situation be any different for an escort. He is an

>independent businessman who has the right to limit his

>business any way he wishes. In doing this he might also limit

>his income but again that is his choice. As long as the guy

>is upfront and honest I don’t understand all the hullabaloo.

 

Love you dearly Epi but this misunderstanding fully illustrates my point

 

As a victim of serious harassment recently I can attest to a problem in the porn, sexwork, hell ANY public industry where someone limits the amount of contact information available. It's why celebrities are stalked by paparazzi and the like. The hungry public.

 

ESCORTS ARE ENTITLED TO PRIVATE LIVES We're not talking about business men and their BUSINESS practices. We're talking about Escorts who happen to be on ManHunt and their BUSINESS lives are being judged because of something that -- while related -- has nothing to do with their BUSINESS exchanges.

 

Instead, posters are quick to take pride in the fact that via phone number googling they can find out that there's a corbin fisher porn star that is also a chiropractor. I'm not saying it's not his own fault for not separating work and business but is it moral, ethical, or friendly to exploit that information? Wouldn't the right thing to do be to privately tell the escort he might be vulnerable? How about a naive friend of mine who posted his MySpace link when he started and had to move out of his apartment because of someone calling his landlord? It's sad.

 

I know I got slightly off topic here but it's all related. An escort is entitled to privacy like anyone else. Maybe choices they make allow their information to get released but as human beings, whats the point of exploiting that. Relatedly, yes I swear there's a point, as I said to begin with escorts get horny like everyone else. Their personal choices in their sex life shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the perception of their escorting careers.

 

I know there's bound to be overlap but there's no need to make an extra effort to blend the worlds when I'm sure a client shopping with their wife at the market is not interested in a hello hug from their favorite boy.

 

Wow. ::looks up and down:: I think I'll step off that soap box now.

 

/rant

[+ glutes]

Barak comes to San Francisco, don't think I will participate...

 

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