Escort Jake Walker in San Francisco

[denny]

After my brief postings (2) about an unhappy first experience I had with this guy several years ago a number of guys wrote me private. A few disagreed with me but the majority also were as unhappy as I. I was encouraged to write a fresh review which i shall do shortly under daddys reviews. I have never done that before so I do not know when it will be published but I need to say things that refute review #62 dated 11-15-07 on this guy. A review which (according to my experience at least) cannot possibly be a genuine review. Please watch for my review.

[Scorpio]

If your experience truly happened 2 years ago, it is likely that any review you write now will not be accepted. Of course that's up to Daddy.

 

This from the FAQ section of DaddysReviews.com:

Is there a time limit on when a review will be published in relation to the date of the appointment?

We prefer appointment to be within the past 30 days. 60 Days is acceptable - any longer will be considered on a case-by-case basis.

 

 

It truly sounds like you have a ROUGH time with that "walker guy" and didn't get the RIDE you expected. Especially for you to be so upset about it 2 years later. I mean 5 of 9 posts by you in the last two days were about that "walker guy"; this experience seems so fresh in your mind. You sure it didn't happen more recently?

 

Me: I don't have an opinion on that "walker guy", one way or the other.

[alanalt]

But Scorpio sure has opinions about people who post here using more than one identity, though... }(

[denny]

Actually i never thought about it till recently and when it happened was not comfortable posting a negative review on someone. Recently i saw that someone started a whole sement on jake walker and i was interested in it since i had seen him in the past. When i went to see what people had said about him lately i was quite distressed about the most recent review because it just sounded so terribly phony. You read it and you decide dude.

[alanalt]

>Actually i never thought about it till recently and when it

>happened was not comfortable posting a negative review on

>someone. Recently i saw that someone started a whole sement on

>jake walker and i was interested in it since i had seen him in

>the past. When i went to see what people had said about him

>lately i was quite distressed about the most recent review

>because it just sounded so terribly phony. You read it and you

>decide dude.

 

I'm not sure what a sement is, but there's been a thread on Jake Walker running since 2003, that's still getting replies and, in fact, got resurrected when a new poster named 'roughrider' asked about Mr. Walker regarding a trip to SF that it turned out he might not be taking and did so (apparently) without reading any of Jake's reviews...

 

I was with Jake Walker a couple of years ago too. I didn't write a review because he had (at that time) plenty of positive reviews and I felt I had nothing to add that differentiated from those reviews. I can't speak to the recent review's raves about Jake as a top, but I will say I thought Jake was good-looking and was completely satisfied with my encounter with him, which included both a one-on-one oral session, a 3-way with another well-reviewed (but now retired) escort, and dinner amongst the three of us.

 

Alan

[buckguy]

It is odd that there's all this sudden attention (and multiple threads). Like others, I'd like to see Walker update his pics and age. OTOH, I hired him in '99 or '00 and it was a good if not exceptional experience. I think I wrote a review. I never did a repeat visit although I've been to SF multiple times, mostly because it was good, but exceptional and because there have been other guys who really captured my imagination more (e.g., Peter Raeg and Dean Coulter). Jake had a devoted clientele in those earlier days and he was one of the first escorts to really use the internet in a well thought out way, with FAQs and the like. He struck me as someone who might seem a bit arrogant to some people, although I appreciated his directness, which has been evident on his posts here. Otherwise, he struck me as someone who probably would provide a positive experience for most guys.

 

I recently was with Michael Vincenzo, who has been escorting on & off for quite a long time. It was a great experience. It got me thinking about how escorting may or may not make sense for someone as a long-term career. Vincenzo is someone who clearly has a strong sense of himself without seeming egotistical. He's direct and energetic and a great conversational, as well as bed, partner. I didn't write a review because he has 70 and I have nothing to add. I bring him up because he is one of several long-term escorts I've been with who were really exceptional (Marcus Iron is another, for whom I did write a review). What they have in common is having taking time out from escorting and having some sort of occupation besides escort work. Perhaps, that's the lesson for maintaining service over a long career.

[Bart]

Funny you mention long time escorts and their staying power. I think as escorts mature from 20 to 30-35 they need to examine their market potential and adjust to trends. I was just talking to a very dear friend who is an escort and I meet with several times a year. He said you just have to go out and reinvent yourself, but still be flexible enough to keep your regulars happy.

 

That's wear a guy like Jake Walker may be losing it. Just keeping the same pics does not keep you the same. The market will dictate what avenue you need to travel down. Some guys are very market savy and they have the goods to offer so they are at the top of the heap, others start hot and fade quickly when they raise their rates and fail to meet the high expectations. I think many guys start out looking to be in this business 6 months and push it, then move on but realize the bucks were too good and come back then struggle.

[Louis]

"I think as escorts mature from 20 to 30-35 they need to examine their market potential and adjust to trends."

Bart, I have to agree with you, but then there are escorts like Raul in Chicago, who only started escorting a year or two ago, and he's 41 now I think.

The interesting thing for me is that I hire escorts who are in their 20's however Raul is an exception. I haven't hired him or met him, but I have been trying to work something out with him where we can do something we like together. We will do something in 2008, so who knows maybe he will be 42 by the time I meet him, but I know I will have a great time, and I would not at all be surprised if the time we are going to spend together will be one of my best and memorable experineces.

So I do agree that as escorts get older they have to examine trends and the market, but I get a sense from several posters here that they would rather hire a "mature" escort, instead of a 19 year old.

[buckguy]

Younger guys, if not flatout twinks, have their appeal (and I have not been immune), but there are many reasons why older guys seem to get the nod from many people here----they know why they're in the escort business, they're usually more organized & professional in the way they run the business end, it's usually easier to have a conversation (if only fleeting), they've been able to explore different aspects of their sexuality and they have the life experience to deal with a wide range of people. Actually, there doesn't seem to be that much reinvention in the long-term guys--some guys expand their repertoire, others specialize a little more, but the changes seem to be subtle.

[+ ArVaGuy]

I concur with this perspective. For me, it's the guys in their 30's and up that are more appealing. That does not mean I wont'go for some 22 year old stud from time to time. :9

 

Just because an escort is 35 or 45 does not mean he's not marketable. There are plenty of clients out there who just don't have the patience, or comfort level, for the twinkish or college jock guys in their 20's. Everybody has a type and fortunately there's usually some escort out there who fits the bill. :-)

[+ glutes]

There are plenty of clients out there who just

>don't have the patience, or comfort level, for the twinkish or

>college jock guys in their 20's.

 

Yes, but why is 'The Walker Guy' still pretending to be 30 years less than he is??

[+ deej]

>Yes, but why is 'The Walker Guy' still pretending to be 30

>years less than he is??

 

Maybe his "web guy" (a.k.a. his version of ncm) quit.

 

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to ineptitude. :+

[buckguy]

glutes is probably exaggerating a bit. Walker currently advertises as 33. My guestimate would be more like late 30s/early 40s, based on who I met on that long ago afternoon.

 

Whatever anyone says about Walker now doesn't necessarily reflect on what he once may have been able to do. I had a rather negative experience with another long term favorite with a devoted following, Tony Cummings. He was supposedly getting ready to exit the business (he seems to have left recently). While he certainly had energy, there was no real connection, no small talk, it was rather hurried, and his "porn talk" seemed rather perfunctory. He was studying real estate at the time (very Atlanta, no wonder there's a years supply of unsold houses there), and he reminded me of many unpleasant experiences interacting with real estate agents. If he hadn't been exiting the biz, I would have written a review. He was someone who clearly had passed his pull date, yet there had been a time when we crossed paths at the airport, waiting for people from the same flight (pre 9/11) and in hotel lobbies and I got to see him interact in a very different way with what I assumed were clients. That I frequently ran into him seemed like a negative, but the impression had stayed and I figured I'd eventually see what all the interest was about. Maybe he remained golden with regulars and perhaps the same could be said of Walker, too.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>Yes, but why is 'The Walker Guy' still pretending to be 30

>years less than he is??

 

My reply was in response to Buckguy's assertion that there all types of guys available for different tastes. Now in regard to Mr. Walker, if he was really pretending to be 30 years younger, he'd be close to underage or barely legal, so surely you exaggerate. ;-)

 

I've met Jake but have not hired him. He seems like a very nice guy. I'd say he's closer to 37-39 than early thirties. My operating assumption is that a large number of escorts shave three to five years minimum off their real age to remain marketable for as long as possible. For the most part this does not bother me because it's rather funny when you think about the absurdity our community's youth obsession.

 

Obviously there's some sort of "Escort Fountain of Youth" that allows some guys to only age 1 year for every 5 years in real time. :+

[buckguy]

I think it's Premier that has a disclaimer about the stated ages of their guys, something to the effect that the ages reflect the guys' appearance. Personally, as long as guys can meet that criterion or at least wait less than 10 years to update their profiles, I think that's reasonable.

[Bearman]

>Funny you mention long time escorts and their staying power.

>I think as escorts mature from 20 to 30-35 they need to

>examine their market potential and adjust to trends. I was

>just talking to a very dear friend who is an escort and I meet

>with several times a year. He said you just have to go out and

>reinvent yourself, but still be flexible enough to keep your

>regulars happy.

>

>That's wear a guy like Jake Walker may be losing it. Just

>keeping the same pics does not keep you the same. The market

>will dictate what avenue you need to travel down. Some guys

>are very market savy and they have the goods to offer so they

>are at the top of the heap, others start hot and fade quickly

>when they raise their rates and fail to meet the high

>expectations. I think many guys start out looking to be in

>this business 6 months and push it, then move on but realize

>the bucks were too good and come back then struggle.

 

I lived in San Francisco for over 12 years and used to see his add in the BAR and another local rag that hasn't been around for many years now! I loved his first reviews on Hooboy and was impressed with his adds and then later on with what he stated on his web site in the late 90's, but I decided to hold out for awhile on hiring him. Fast forward to today and he still is using the same pics hes had for several years now, and is still the same age! Only now he's no longer claims to be "straight" and later "bi" like he used to. Yes some thing ARE too good to be true. As I've followed his career in escorting on this site and continue to check out his web site from time to time for any changes, I've been glad I never bothered to hire him. He may be awesome to some but escorts that don't bother to update their profiles, pictures and stats disapoint me greatly and I don't bother with them.

 

Best of luck and happy hiring!

[+ Unicorn]

It's certainly quite obvious that he puts up fake reviews, that he lies about his age, and that he puts up pictures that are probably at least 10 years old. His lies are pretty egregious, even by escort standards (I don't mean to offend the escorts reading this, but lying is a pretty common occurence with escorts, not that all escorts lie). I personally won't hire someone with such little regard for truthfulness, but that's just me. Nevertheless, 2 years seems a long gap for writing a review. I wish you'd done it previously.

[denny]

The reason i didn't post a negative review when i first saw him---I was uncomfortable doing that because he was a very nice guy. But when i just saw the big flap about him again and decided to look at recent reviews I just became incensed over the last review because it was just so far from what happened with me. So I decided to write a review of my time with him approximately several years ago but i gave the review a date of several months ago so it would be accepted. It has been accepted. I think its really outrageous though if he posted originally as a straight guy and then subsequently as a bi guy. This guy is definitely gay and does not try to hide that. One guy wrote me that he avoided an encounter because he thought that jake was kind of nellie looking. There may have actually been an aspect of that in retrospect. So while he advertises that he is very masculine I think that probably that is not entirely the case.

[+ deej]

So you've been a member for a whopping 10 days, have already had more private emails than I've had in the 10 years I've been hanging around, AND you've falsified a review?

 

Cool record.

[Scorpio]

Dear Denny,

 

Though you seem to thrive on private messages (real or imagined), I do not wish to carry on a private conversation with you. Therefore, I will respond to following private message you sent me, in public:

 

>Subject: walker review

>Message: actually my review which is totally genuine in every which way >has already been accepted for publication. the only thing false about it >is the date that it occured. since i saw him about two years ago i could >not put that down as the date. i put sometime in sept i believe. the >escort may deny he ever saw me on that date it makes no difference >because my experience with him (dismal) is still valid.

 

I never questioned whether your encounter was genuine or not. I don't question the other reviews either. Since I do not ever plan to hire Jake Walker, his reviews are of no value to me. What I do question is the timing of your encounter, as I whole-heartedly believe that it is of a much more recent vintage than several years ago. That you have falsified the date in order to get your review accepted proves your disingenuousness.

 

In case my subtly escaped you earlier, your writing style is so similar (as to be an exact duplicate) of a recent poster named "roughrider"; he also seemed to collect more private messages than most other posters have collected in their entire tenure. He for weeks solicited advice about Jake Walker and for the most part did not seem to take that advice. So imagine my surprise when I read your barrage of negative comments regarding Jake Walker a few days ago, I literally had to keep looking at the screen name to make sure it didn't say "roughrider." The writing style was "roughrider" all the way, but the opinion expressed was a polar opposite.

 

It is my OPINION that "roughrider" despite much advice to the contrary met Jake Walker and had as you put it a "dismal" time. But rather than hear a chorus of "I told you so" from all those well meaning posters who tried to advise him otherwise, "roughrider" reappears as "denny". The "denny" who tell us he is still so incensed by his encounter of two years ago that he remembers it like it was yesterday.

 

Like I said this is my OPINION and I could be completely and totally wrong, so I apologize in advance if that is the case. However, you sir have still exposed yourself as being disingenuous (by lying about the date of your review in order to have it accepted) and stupid (for bragging about it in public). You don't think that Daddy might occasionally read the Message Center, which would in turn possibly hinder the publication of your review?

 

denny, please do not private message me again. Everyone else can feel free to private message me as often as you like.

[Guest zipperzone]

>His lies are pretty

>egregious, even by escort standards (I don't mean to offend

>the escorts reading this, but lying is a pretty common

>occurence with escorts, not that all escorts lie).

 

There is a huge differance between lying and stretching the truth. If you're 29 and advertise that you're 24 - who really cares.We all stretch the truth on occasion, but an escort that outright lies is one to avoid.

[Guest zipperzone]

Oh the drama of it all..........

[+ glutes]

Social Security Escort Jake Walker has updated his picture...

 

edited, but it was terribly funny.

[Guy Fawkes]

The reason i didn't post a negative review when i first saw him---I was uncomfortable doing that because he was a very nice guy. But when i just saw the big flap about him again and decided to look at recent reviews I just became incensed over the last review because it was just so far from what happened with me. So I decided to write a review of my time with him approximately several years ago but i gave the review a date of several months ago so it would be accepted. It has been accepted. I think its really outrageous though if he posted originally as a straight guy and then subsequently as a bi guy. This guy is definitely gay and does not try to hide that. One guy wrote me that he avoided an encounter because he thought that jake was kind of nellie looking. There may have actually been an aspect of that in retrospect. So while he advertises that he is very masculine I think that probably that is not entirely the case.

 

Please forgive me as I correct a few details since in my opinion this is a case of dementia or stalking. Denny submitted a review on 12/12/2007 and on 12/27/2007 I rejected it as follows:

 

You may want to check our our FAQ: http://www.daddysreviews.com/faq.php?mod=reviewer to get an idea of how things work here.

 

"Is there a time limit on when a review will be published in relation to the date of the appointment?

We prefer appointment to be within the past 30 days. 60 Days is acceptable - any longer will be considered on a case-by-case basis."

 

Since you have admitted to falsifying a review, we have no choice but not to post it.

 

"The reason i didn't post a negative review when i first saw him---I was uncomfortable doing that because he was a very nice guy. But when i just saw the big flap about him again and decided to look at recent reviews I just became incensed over the last review because it was just so far from what happened with me. So I decided to write a review of my time with him approximately several years ago but i gave the review a date of several months ago so it would be accepted."

At which time he replied:

 

i am very very sorry that you feel that way because there was nothing whatsoever falsified about this review. it was totally accurate in every single respect. it was only the date that it occured that was changed so as to allow for its publication. if you think that my review was falsified than you have a hell of a nerve publishing the last review on this guy....which was obviously falsified by either the escort or one of his friends!

 

Which was followed shortly by his final reply the same day:

 

I mean i have to laugh at your attitude here. You want an open and honest review of this escort right? At least thats what you profess to support. And i submitted just such a document to you. Unfortunately my experience with that escort took place about 2 years ago. When i read the most recent review on that escort it was obvious to me from things that were said that either the escort himself or one of his friends wrote the most recent review. It cannot possibly be a truthfull statement from a client. Nevertheless you would rather let stand a totally mis-leading recent review (think of possible future clients now who will waste their money on this escort) rather than print an honest opinion review of the man. Naturally i have to accept what you have written here but i believe that you are making a serious mistake.

Does anybody else have a feeling of Déjà vu? It makes one wonder why anybody would wander down this same path after almost a year and a half? Wouldn't it make more sense to create a new thread? Certainly would have been a lot less effort.

 

Now mind you, I can't take official action on this thread until Jake chooses to report the message(s) using the little http://www.companyofmen.org/images/buttons/report.gif at the top of each message. Of course he should read the "The Message Center Rules" at http://www.companyofmen.org/tos.html so that he can get the maximum bang for the buck or not depending on his amusement level.

 

I've just activated his account. Anybody want to apologize before it's too late?

Now how's that for my 900th post!

[+ glutes]

Firstly, I am not 'Demented Denny'. I resurrected this post (using the search function) because I came across a very funny and sarcastic photo fitting into the drama dispute re. Jake's age. I edited it out because it was (a bit) over the top.

No apologies on my end, let us see if The Walker Guy responds!