Suspension of disbelief?

[dfw2sfo]

It is very easy to get into having a hot naked guy with you and doing (almost) anything you want. Does anyone else have the thought cross their mind that without the $$$, this wouldn't be happening? Granted that similar tradeoffs (between wealth and beauty) happen all the time in the more long term sense (one with wealth and the other with beauty) but it is more distilled in an escort session. Thoughts?

[Guest ncm2169]

Simple answer: if it wouldn't be happening without the cash, then all bets are off.

 

More complex answer - and much more likely answer in a longer-term deal - sure, relationships are based in part on trade-offs. Why should a relationship with an escort, even if it involves cash for sex - or for that matter - for taking out the trash, or cleaning the bathroom - be any different?

 

Bottom line? Life is complex.

 

Okay. Enuf philosophy for tonight. }(

[+ purplekow]

Some would say all, but I will say most human interactions are based on getting something you want for something you are willing to give up. As to the thinking about the cash, the times I think about the cash are: 1 When I am making the arrangements 2 When I am actually paying the cash and most importantly 3 When I start to delude myself that this could be happening without the cash involved.

[SteveStacks]

hmmm....i may be going out on a limb here touching this topic from the escort side of things, but i think it might be useful to point out a potential distinction between two possibilities that might seem the same on first blush.

 

there's

"the encounter not happening without the cash"

and there's

"the guy only being WILLING to be there if the cash is involved."

 

if i wasn't compensated for my time, i'd have to have a day job.

when i was working in the corporate world, i was going out and playing with guys, but i sure didn't have the time to to do it as often as i do now or the flexibility to accommodate my partners own work schedules etc that i do now...

the cash doesn't so much make me more WILLING to play with the guys i do as make me more ABLE to play with the guys i do....

 

i've said before that i think that at it's best escorting isn't about an exchange of cash for services per se, so much as it is two people both bringing the resources they have to a social circumstance in a way that allows a special kind of encounter room to take place....then again, i have really broad taste in men, and i tend to get as tuned on by personality, brains, etc as physical appearance...so i may be an anomaly....i dunno...just a thought...

[lookin4hotties]

Who cares!

 

Try asking any woman (or drag queen) out on a date and don't

pay for anything. See how much sex you get!

 

If you think you can't get anyone to fool around a bit

with you, you're wrong! Just bring some blow into a

bathhouse on some late evening. Oh, you'll be so popular.

Not that I would know...If you can whip up a nice homemade

hamburger with onions on the grill..then I'm all yours!

I'm not free but boy I'm easy.

 

Lookin4hotties

[JT Brooklyn]

IF you Contacted a Guy thru an Advertisement he is running..with Pix's of his BOD He's apparently SELLING something and apparently You are interested in BUYING it.

 

It really doesn't Pay to look at this BIZ arrangement any other way!

 

Have No Delusions! NO MONEY..NO HONEY! LOL :-)

[SteveStacks]

Each to their own i guess...*LOL*

[+ purplekow]

>there's

>"the encounter not happening without the cash"

>and there's

>"the guy only being WILLING to be there if the cash is

>involved."

>

>if i wasn't compensated for my time, i'd have to have a day

>job.

>>

>i've said before that i think that at it's best escorting

>isn't about an exchange of cash for services per se, so much

>as it is two people both bringing the resources they have to a

>social circumstance in a way that allows a special kind of

>encounter room to take place....then again, i have really

>broad taste in men, and i tend to get as tuned on by

>personality, brains, etc as physical appearance...so i may be

>an anomaly....i dunno...just a thought...

 

Steven, what percentage of your clients, coming through the door for the first time trigger in you the thought that this is the kind of man I really want to get to know in every way? If that is a high percentage, then I might concede that in your case, your clients might cash in without forking over cash, but for most of us here in the real world, money makes the world go round and makes others go round the world.

 

With that said, if an escort is to get a second go with me, there has to be more than the physical connection. That is when all the other factors you list come into play. But for a first go, if you got the ass, I got the cash.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Steven, what percentage of your clients, coming through the

>door for the first time trigger in you the thought that this

>is the kind of man I really want to get to know in every way?

 

The ones that arrive waving a big wad of 100s in the air.

[SteveStacks]

*LOL*

 

cash is nice, sure....but honestly, if that was my prime motivator, i wouldn't be in the business i'm in...i'd have continued my track in the corporate world and be hiring guys myself...(not that that's a bad thing, but cash isn't my strongest motivator) *grin*

 

smart really gets me going, and being socially aware and altruistic is hot too...but those are things you can't tell on first sight.....fortunately, those sorts of things DO often appear in the communications i have with guys before we meet in person...

 

so, to answer your question, a pretty high percentage of my clients are guys i'd want to get to know in every way, and all of them have something that makes me feel like the cash isn't the only thing that makes our encounter worthwhile...

 

like you said, we all have to live in the real world, and the fact is that i gotta make a living like everybody else, but everybody has different reasons for doing things...and those are mine....

 

as it's been said "life is complex"

;-)

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

I consider the Escort Client relationship to be a friendly business

 

association. I appreciate escorts who respect it as such and deliver

 

what they promise. I in turn deliver what I promise, part of

 

which is mutual respect. From that perspective I have

 

made more than physical connections with certain Escorts

 

in the past. These are usually the ones that I want to see more

 

than once, whose conversation I enjoy as much as I enjoy thier

 

"assets."

 

But I never delude myself either. . . This is a Friendly Business

 

Association.

[foxy]

People having sex for money? Hmmmmmm, interesting idea.

[Lookin]

There are a bunch of good points in this thread. I agree with purplecow that each party brings something to the table that the other wants, and I agree with Steve that things can be a little more complex than just diddling for dollars.

 

In general, the client has some extra cash that the escort could use, and the escort has some extra something that the client could use. Maybe the exchange includes trips, companionship, presents, charm, laughter, and more. It usually comes down to a situation that works for both people.

 

I’ve had the pleasure of Steve’s company a few times and, while I don’t think he’d snatch me off a barstool to take home to meet the folks, he does treat me as a welcome guest, and we always have a few laughs. So, while the whoopee may not happen without the money, and the money may not happen without the whoopee, I think there’s some nice extra stuff that happens just because of who we are as individuals.

 

And that works out just fine for me. :-)

[SteveStacks]

Me too! *grin*

[Epigonos]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The differences between a run of the mill escorts and a great escorts are numerous. To be a great escorts here, in my opinion, are some of the qualities that the guy must exhibit.

 

1. He must derive genuine pleasure from the company of other men.

2. He must sincerely enjoy sex, and lots of it, with another men.

3. He must be non judgemental regarding clients.

4. He must be escorting because he enjoys and derives pleasure from

the experience.

5. He must be educated enough to carry on an intelligent conversation.

6. He must be able to make his client the center of attention during their time together.

7. He must NOT be feeding a drug habit or escorting out of desperation.

8. He must NOT be interested only in how much money he can make in the shortest amount of time.

 

I'm sure you guys can come up with some other criteria BUT this is a start. We have all spent time with guys who epitomize these qualities and most of us, unfortunately, have spend time with guys who don't.

[Guest ncm2169]

It's also true that all bets are off for the right clients if a guy is hott enuf. I've been around here long enough to remember the complete and total infatuation with [then]Travis of Denver when he appeared at age 18 (now Ethan West in Dallas). High priced talent is like any other commodity - it's a function of supply and demand. Need a top in Minneapolis (the "Land of 10,000 bottoms"?). Be prepared to pay for one. Need a bottom in Orlando/aka "twinkville"? Their asses are lined up waiting for your donations. :9

 

Economics lesson now adjourned. }(

[Vincent_Michael]

ncm2169 Life is very cmplex indeed.

[SteveStacks]

good list....i totally agree!

[+ Axiom2001]

>I've said it before and I'll say it again. The differences

>between a run of the mill escorts and a great escorts are

>numerous. To be a great escorts here, in my opinion, are some

>of the qualities that the guy must exhibit.

>

>1. He must derive genuine pleasure from the company of other

>men.

>2. He must sincerely enjoy sex, and lots of it, with another

>men.

>3. He must be non judgemental regarding clients.

>4. He must be escorting because he enjoys and derives

>pleasure from

>the experience.

>5. He must be educated enough to carry on an intelligent

>conversation.

>6. He must be able to make his client the center of attention

>during their time together.

>7. He must NOT be feeding a drug habit or escorting out of

>desperation.

>8. He must NOT be interested only in how much money he can

>make in the shortest amount of time.

>

>I'm sure you guys can come up with some other criteria BUT

>this is a start. We have all spent time with guys who

>epitomize these qualities and most of us, unfortunately, have

>spend time with guys who don't.

 

 

 

 

 

:-) :-) :9 :9 :-) :-)

 

I wholeheartedly concur with the seven points that you have listed. The criteria that you stipulated definitely apply to at least five escorts that I have seen on a regular basis.

 

One of the guys has an MBA from Stanford University in Palo Alto; his fee for our time is indeed highly reasonable; another man, my love from Sao Paulo, has lived in San Francisco for at least eight or nine years, is a student at the Academy of Design and Art, and on a few occasions has discussed his reasons for escorting. Your seven are indicative of his, too.

 

A few others who I have not seen on a regular basis do fit your wonderful critera, too, and I sincerely thank you very much!

[Guest ncm2169]

I responded in part because I happen to live with an escort. :9

 

I introduced him to "The Biz" and a bond subsequently developed (NOT b/f's, just good buddies) and we decided to live together. Except for the "he's an escort" and "I'm a client" parts, those decisions get made every day.

 

BTW, shameless plug here:

 

http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/search.asp?cmd=view&id=128513&Login=DJmpls

 

}(

[Guest ncm2169]

< So, while the whoopee may not happen without the money, and the money may not happen without the whoopee, I think there’s some nice extra stuff that happens just because of who we are as individuals.

 

DAMN!! Well Said!! }( }( }(

[Louis]

Everthing has a perfect order...money first = no whoopee

whoopee first = money

[Guest zipperzone]

>I responded in part because I happen to live with an escort.

>:9

>

>I introduced him to "The Biz" and a bond subsequently

>developed (NOT b/f's, just good buddies) and we decided to

>live together. Except for the "he's an escort" and "I'm a

>client" parts, those decisions get made every day.

 

Just curious - does that mean you are sometimes his client. At least there would be no travel time involved.

 

I'm not sure I could cope with living with an escort, especially if he walked around the house naked........ be still my foolish heart.

[Guest ncm2169]

< does that mean you are sometimes his client.

 

No. We were messing around (looooong story) for about 4 years before I introduced him to escorting and then we just got to be very close buddies and decided to live together. We still play. And, yes, it's like living a dream. :9 You think your heart is thumping? Lemme tell ya ... }(

 

P.S. FWIW, we handle things like any other roomies - split expenses - share household tasks, etc. I am not a sugar daddy in this deal. Just one very lucky guy! :P

[Guest ncm2169]

< If you can whip up a nice homemade

hamburger with onions on the grill

 

Take Paul Newman's advice: start with 80% or not more than 85% lean, and don't pack it too hard. Grill to your desire, but it shouldn't be more than medium rare. Cover for at least 5 minutes to let the juices go back into the meat. Enjoy. TO DIE FOR on a summer night! :9