Escort Fee for a Cruise?

[Guest ncm2169]

I have a question on behalf of an escort buddy. It involves what he should charge for being taken on a cruise. Here are the details:

 

A client who he has seen a few times recently invited him to go on a 7-day cruise in Winter, 2008. The client indicated that while he'd expect some play time, he's interested in the companionship as much as anything else. The escort has never been on a cruise and I am certain he will thoroughly enjoy himself. The escort's hourly rate is $170 and his overnight rate typically is around $1,000. I know this has been discussed here before, eg. the value of the escort's time vs. the value of the experience. Given the circumstances, what do people here think he should charge the client? It would be nice to hear from both clients and escorts. :o

 

Thanks!! :*

[KMEM]

For the escort: Your time is your time is your time. You are not free to be home or elsewhere during this cruise-visit. It doesn't matter whether you are spending your time dancing a jig or flip flops in bed or attending a movie in which you have minimal interest. However, you do have an obligation to be a fit and agreeable companion. And, presumably, you will be enjoying an experience not before had; the ship, the cruise, the ports, etc.; to say nothing of the fact that you will be paid for doing all of the above.

 

The client: Should expect to be a reasonable companion also. They should do almost every thing together and enjoy the cruise and each other. No demands for 6 AM sex, unless it is a mutual conclusion. No demands to be covered in chocolate at mid-night unless, again, it is a mutually arranged debachery.

 

It is good that they have already spent time together. One could make a case for a $7,000 stipend. Considering the information heretofore provided, one could also make a case for $3,500. One would like to hope there is an agreeable amount for both in there somewhere.

 

A case for less can also be made, but there would have to be additional information to support that case.

 

Best regards and good cruising,

 

KMEM

[Guest countryboywny]

KMEM makes a good point. As far as the rate, the escort has to consider many things before setting a rate. I just did a quick check of another escort's website ('cause I think he's hot!). His advertised rate is $1,200 per day with a discount for 4 days or more. Doing the math for 8 days, the rate would work out to about $6,400 for a first class man. It is the escorts ability and his right to adjust his rates as he sees fit so the escort in question should decide his rate on his own.

[alanalt]

As a client, I would expect that just as there's usually a discount from an hourly rate to an daily rate, one would expect a discount rate from the daily to the weekly rate, regardless of travel. I'm assuming the escort in question doesn't have a set rate for longer timeframes than a day, which also means that you're entering into the thorny (and very controversial, at least on this board! }{ ) subject of negotiating a fair rate, which then brings in all the questions about how to handle the negotiating process.

 

I'd also say it's really hard for anyone but the escort to try and quantify how much the experience of 'cruising for free' should/would result in a further discount. Perhaps another way of looking at it, would be for the escort to determine what his usual weekly earnings are from his escorting activities during the same time period as a starting place. Or he could start things off by asking the client what he thinks a fair rate is and negotiate from there...

 

From my own (very infrequent) experience in negotiating 'travel rates', I've always been very surprised on how much the escort was willing to discount his rate when travelling.

 

Alan

[Guest zipperzone]

$3000 and not a penny more.

 

Take into consideration the following:

 

- the client also has to pay for the escorts cruise

- the escort will have no living expenses for 7 days

- he doesn't have to hustle up business for 7 days

- he probably wouldn't earn that much in a week if he stayed home

- I'm sure the $3000 would be tax free

- he gets an all expense paid holiday

 

I should have it so good

[KMEM]

We should ALL have it so good, but what do you think about the following:

 

The escort in question might have to pay for his apartment while he is gone, as on a cruise.

 

He doesn't have to hustle up business, but he has no opportunity to do so either.

 

Only he knows how much he might have earned if he had stayed home. I don't, you don't.

 

Whatever he earned at home would likely be just as tax free or not as whatever he earned on the cruise.

 

He gets an all expense paid holiday. Whatever that is worth is up to him and the negotiations he is having with the client.

 

Back to the original conclusion and statement, we should ALL have it so good,

 

I understand your points, I hope that you understand mine.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest zipperzone]

>The escort in question might have to pay for his apartment

>while he is gone, as on a cruise.

 

I'm sure he does - how does that affect the amt he charges for the 7 day cruise?

 

>He doesn't have to hustle up business, but he has no

>opportunity to do so either.

 

Depending on the mix onboard, perhaps he can (but if I was the client I wouldn't be too pleased - unless I got to join in)

 

 

>Only he knows how much he might have earned if he had stayed

>home. I don't, you don't.

 

True - we don't know this figure - but the chances of it being 3000 are probably slim, and if he DID earn 3000 by staying home, I bet he'd have to work his ass off on numerous "dates" while running all over town. Not always an easy thing to do. Plus... on the cruise he would have no other expenses such as transportation, meals, laundry, entertainment etc.

 

>Whatever he earned at home would likely be just as tax free or

>not as whatever he earned on the cruise.

 

True, but maybe harder to conceal from the tax man.

 

>I understand your points, I hope that you understand mine.

 

Yes I do - I think there is always a case that one can make for the escort, but I still think that at $3000 flat rate he is probably doing very well for himself. And if he is like many escorts I have known, he would probably get a few very nice presents from the client such as clothing or baubles should they go ashore at any of the stops enroute.

 

Once again - I SHOULD BE SO LUCKY.

[Kevin Slater]

>>The escort in question might have to pay for his apartment

>>while he is gone, as on a cruise.

>

>I'm sure he does - how does that affect the amt he charges for

>the 7 day cruise?

 

It corrects your earlier comment that the escort will have no living expenses for 7 days.

 

 

>>Whatever he earned at home would likely be just as tax free

>or

>>not as whatever he earned on the cruise.

>

>True, but maybe harder to conceal from the tax man.

 

How so?

 

Kevin Slater

[Guest novabear22031]

I am probably treading on some very thin ice here. I have only have had four companions so far. The takes on each are just conjecture on my part:

 

The first was a "guy next door type" - my general "type" - that gave me a break by taking him on my cruise because we both needed it. I feel blessed that we were able to do the trip together. IOt was a win-win for the two of us.

 

My second companion was what some might think mid-range/speciality companion (a 38yo body builder) that offered a decent rate for a session. His time is limited of sorts, so he might command a decent dollar to do a cruise. He also has outside business interests that may affect his free time.

 

The third one was one I found on M4RN that I had concerns about - but thanks to a companion that I want some time with and built a "relationship" with, he calmed my fears - he was just a working guy that was trying to meet the bills. He was just the perfect dream for me in the time we spent together. Young and very hairy. But from the get go, I found him hard to communicate with (he lost his cell phone service, and he seemed to have limited access to email prior and during my stay) - but once we connected things were more than great! This guy is one that I think would be happy to have an experience that he might not have otherwise.

 

The fourth is a very well reviewed and well booked companion (based on my trying to get together with him in both SF and DC. We have had some great chats since our first time (and before), and we are both looking forward to his visit to DC. First time I booked so soon. Given his popularity, I would not even approach him him on doing a cruise together.

 

I respect the companions I am with. Each at their own level - for it is a business relationship that brought us together. And I will do what I can respect that.

 

That being said I have a hard time justifying more than $2000 for a 7 day cruise, if the companion was a perfect fit. Whether it was an inside cabin at $500 each or a balcony room at $1000 each; the general rule of thumb is 30 to 50% of the room rate for ship-board expenses (including excursions). Add to that the "shore" expenses not covered by ship excursions. The expenses can up.

 

You might want to see my comments in this thread:

 

http://mc.daddysreviews.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=15801&mesg_id=15801&page=

 

In the end I have the greatest respect for companions that realize not all of us are trust fund babies, or have jobs that pay triple digits.

 

Feel that I went on too long here. So I will be happy to respond to differing view points in other posts....

[Guest zipperzone]

>>>The escort in question might have to pay for his apartment

>>>while he is gone, as on a cruise.

>>

>>I'm sure he does - how does that affect the amt he charges

>for

>>the 7 day cruise?

>

>It corrects your earlier comment that the escort will have no

>living expenses for 7 days.

 

Not really - I was referring to expenses such as food, meals, Starbucks, taxi cabs or gas for car, those types of things.

 

>>True, but maybe harder to conceal from the tax man.

>

>How so?

 

I don't know - it just sounded good at the time...

>

>Kevin Slater

>

[Bart]

I think you are expecting an awful lot from the escort at $2000 for a week. No matter how it is phrased the escort is working for the week. Do not use the price per cabin issue. You have to pay more if you are a single, those room prices are based upon double occupency.

 

Not to be a shill for escorts but companionship or sex is still on the clock. Unless the escort and client are perfectly matched on their time clocks, the escort is giving up his freedom of a vacation. Plus you have to figure a travel day or two in the mix as well. To zipperzone's figuring, I agree full day rate is extreme I think but figure a two hour appt a day minimum, I would think at least $400 per day. But so much of this deal depends upon the time requirements and expectations on the part of both parties. From what I have heard most clients and escorts agree on one day the escort and client are on the own and usually have a couple of hours each day to themselves. But again all part of the package.

 

At the end of the day, the escort still needs to value the trip and his relationship with the client.

[Guest zipperzone]

For what it's worth......

 

If I could earn $3000 per week while enjoying a luxurious cruise, all meals, drinks, entertainment, sight-seeing, paid for - you'd better believe I'd be a happy man.

[KMEM]

Are you young, cute, sexy, attractive, unattached, willing to travel and amiable for protracted visits?:-)

 

If so, and, if you advertise your wonderful wares, you could indeed be on a cruise very soon.

 

Best regards,

 

KMEM

[Steven_Draker]

I've done quite a few cruises in the past 4 years and they all have been a lot of fun. When I was with a client on a cruise, I was paid my regular fee for one week. From my point of view, I wouldn't go to an extended vacation with someone I'm not totally comfortable with and whom I don't know well. The cruise can be a fun experience for both the client and the escort or could turn into a nightmare if the chemistry isn't there. Don't forget that you'll be sharing the same space for 24 hours daily for one week. I think it's important to discuss all the details up front. In the end, the cruise can be quite costly for the client because there is not only the escort fee, but also the cruise ticket price, the airfare (for two), the accommodation before and after the cruise, the onboard expenses etc.

 

Steven Draker ~

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[Guest zipperzone]

>Are you young, cute, sexy, attractive, unattached, willing to

>travel and amiable for protracted visits?:-)

>

>If so, and, if you advertise your wonderful wares, you could

>indeed be on a cruise very soon.

>

>Best regards,

>

>KMEM

 

Is that a proposal?

[+ deej]

>For what it's worth......

>

>If I could earn $3000 per week while enjoying a luxurious

>cruise, all meals, drinks, entertainment, sight-seeing, paid

>for - you'd better believe I'd be a happy man.

 

So in other words, you're a cheap date?

 

Good to know. :9

[KMEM]

IF you fit the description, of course, it is a proposal.:-)

 

I have paid more and probably for less.:-)

 

Best regards,

 

KMEM

[lucky13000]

I've always offered a daily rate of 3 times their hourly. Seeing as how I'm paying all other related expenses, I think it's a fair offer. All of the toys, errr boys, errrr MEN have been happy with the offer/arrangement, and I think it fair to both parties involved.

[Guest novabear22031]

From Bart -

 

>I think you are expecting an awful lot from the escort at

>$2000 for a week. No matter how it is phrased the escort is

>working for the week. Do not use the price per cabin issue.

>You have to pay more if you are a single, those room prices

>are based upon double occupency.

 

Keep in mind, when I travel solo I tend not to book cruise lines that book out the ass for solo travelers. My last solo cruise was just 25% more than a double occupancy.

 

I am guessing that you are making mention of my use of "companion" in my posts. For myself there is a difference between companion and escort. A companion is someone that I want (and with the info I share, he wants to enjoy our company together. An escort is someone that we share no connection with, only to what ever services that will be provided as agreed upon. For me an escort is more for a quickie.

 

Also my first companion showed me what a cruise could be like in a situation like this. He asked for time for himself (down time as he described it), and in the end we had a great time together. It taught me a thing or two about travels with others that I am not hiring.

 

>

>Not to be a shill for escorts but companionship or sex is

>still on the clock. Unless the escort and client are perfectly

>matched on their time clocks, the escort is giving up his

>freedom of a vacation. Plus you have to figure a travel day or

>two in the mix as well. To zipperzone's figuring, I agree full

>day rate is extreme I think but figure a two hour appt a day

>minimum, I would think at least $400 per day. But so much of

>this deal depends upon the time requirements and expectations

>on the part of both parties. From what I have heard most

>clients and escorts agree on one day the escort and client are

>on the own and usually have a couple of hours each day to

>themselves. But again all part of the package.

 

I respect your view point. But remember a cruise is much more than a two plus hour experience that might include a dinner. That being said, it takes a special bond for a cruise to be affordable and fun for both parties. My first companion, and the one I took on a cruise, that I did not "own" him - so much the better for the two of us in the end.

 

I can see how someone that wanted undivided attention from the one they took on a vacation would be required to pay more. Lucky for me we shared some common interests and desires in our ports of call. So we spent much more time together than we had planned. We approached it as two buddies sharing a trip. And that worked out for the both of us.

 

Don't try to find fault in my comments about no more than $2000 a week plus expenses. Just as zipperzone mentioned, he would be a happy man earning $3000 plus expenses for a weeks vacation. I would be a happy man to be paid $2000 plus expenses to take a vacation.

 

>

>At the end of the day, the escort still needs to value the

>trip and his relationship with the client.

 

Agreed, I am sure that under the right circumstances that at $2000 for a week (or even $1000 for a week) plus expenses, with the right client there could be takers.....

[Guest PatrickBogan]

A seven day cruise really involves nine days of the escorts time as it requires a day to get to the dock and a day to get back home after the cruise.

 

The escort will be on-stage 24 hours per day for seven days straight. He will have to share alot more of his very personal side with the client than he would in a 1-3 hour appointment.

 

He will have to be away from the one he loves for 7-8 days, be that his boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, children, etc. He won't be able hold his loved one at night as he will be with someone else who he'll be sharing that affection with.

 

An experienced escort, in a good market, in a good time a year, can earn $2k per day on his own.

 

The discussion about tax-free is irrelevant. Professional escorts file and pay taxes.

 

 

Patrick Bogan

http://www.patrickbogan.com

http://www.jaimieansaloni.com

[KMEM]

Actually, going to/from a US port, the escort in question will not be gone more than 7 days on a 7 day cruise. The ships don't leave until 5-6 PM and they arrive all too early on the 7th day. I have always been gone by 8-9 AM. Those departure and arrival times leave all day in the former and all afternoon in the latter case to travel, plenty of time to get around the US. Airline delays are a separate issue and would have to be dealt with regardless of the other reasons for travel.

 

Personally the reason I go on a cruise is because I want to know all those things (and share) about the person with whom I am traveling. That is part and parcel of the original agreement.

 

The escort in question chooses to be away from those he loves in exchange for money. A traveling salesman gone M-F does it most every week.

 

Here is another of my old sayings and I have no idea who to quote. A good business deal is one where both sides get something they want but probably not every thing they want.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Louis]

If I were the escort, I think I would negotiate a fee. If were an escort, and I really wanted to go on that cruise badly then maybe my initial asking fee would be a bit lower. There could be another problem though, if a client senses that the escort hasn't been on a cruise before, or that he is really keen on going on a cruise, then the client may want to lowball what he is willing to pay.

So personally, if I were to negotiate a fee, the lowest amount that I would accept would be something that would adequately compensate me for an average week of business. The starting point would have to be not so high as to scare off the client, so maybe you might start off with something that is twenty, thirty, or even fifty percent higher than your bottom line.

While its true that you would be away from loved ones and friends for a week, sometimes its nice to get away from familiar people.

[+ Unicorn]

I don't think that one can even suggest guidelines for something like this. Ultimately, it's whatever the client and escort agree to. Tons of factors go into the decision on both parts. On the client's side, obviously, the client's income comes into play, and will decide what he's willing to pay. There are probably a number of corporate CEO's who can afford to pay thousands a week (even if you pay him $2000, it will cost you well over $3000, probably closer to $4000 when all of the other expenses are added in). I certainly don't bring in anywhere near that amount, and I have a professional doctoral degree (and, yes, I have a mortgage and other expenses, too!).

From the escort's standpoint, it's really supply and demand. The vast majority of escorts are lucky to get one hourly hire daily who doesn't stand him up, although there are certainly days with the longer hires or days with two clients for those escorts who can do that. A few escorts are in high demand and may be able to command high rates from those few CEO's, heart surgeons, or other tycoons who can afford it. Steven Drakar appears to be one of those lucky escorts.

How well you and the escort mesh is another huge factor. I trust that you wouldn't hire someone on a cruise that you haven't hire previously. I have made long-term hires on half a dozen of occasions. I don't pick high-end world-famous porn stars for this. I pick a local guy I like. After a pleasant session, I say "I'm going to XYZ in ABC amount of time, and I like to take you along if I can get you for a reasonable rate." Then you can quickly find out if you two are in the same ballpark.

One word of warning for cruises in particular. If you hire him, it must be with the proviso that while you will take care of any reasonable onboard expenses, he must provide his own credit card for onboard charges. You do not want the situation of his charging to your credit card jewelry and original oil paintings while sipping Dom Perignon champagne. I would also buy him a travel insurance policy.