411 on Two NYC Tops

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Hey guys Im thinking about an NYC weekend and was checking out

 

Men4RentNow. Two guys caught my eye - But I am wondering

 

1) if they are the same guy?

 

2) if anyone has experience with them (No Reviews from Daddy)

 

3) Is the price a little out of line $385in/%485 out

 

They advertise as

 

ID#140984 — leathermaster_

 

ID#159196 — dom_top_master

 

 

Similar builds - size - price - age- etc - Leathermasters photos are all in the shadows so it is hard to tell.

 

Your info appreciated

 

Thanks

 

Wild

[buzz]

Don't know if they are the same guy but I can tell you that dom leather master is a dud! Went to see him a few weeks ago on the basis of his ads and what appear to be his sexy pictures. They don't look anything like him. Maybe a LOOOOOOOOOOOng time ago they resembled him but he is now a stocky, un-ripped guy. Not bad looking and I would have enjoyed him more if his pix and his ad had been closer to reality. As for his SM tachniques, they were pretty tame. He didn't seem into leather (he wore a little bit of the very cheap variety) and he certainly wasn't willing to be as heavy as I desired. He also advertizes with another supposed leather top but I didn't see him. In sum, a perfectly pleasant guy but not what he advertizes. Try somebody else!

buzz

[JT Brooklyn]

This might be a Question "Whipped Guy" may be able ro answer?

 

Although I'm thinking a "Working Guy", he hooked up with recently may have gotten a New Regular! LOL :P :P :P

[+ Tom Isern]

Different personae, same phone number. All stolen pics.

 

Dom_Top_Master

http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/availablenow.asp?cmd=view&id=159196&Login=dom_top_master

 

Matthew - http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=113076&Location=229

 

David - http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=42831&Location=229

 

Matthew - http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=100510&Location=229

 

Michael - http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=42834&Location=229

 

Sir Leather Master - http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=52689&Location=229

[whipped guy]

Re:This might be a Question "Whipped Guy" may be able to answer? [/font color=blue]

 

Thank the gods I’ve had no experience with this guy… Fortunately, somehow this guy’s ad eluded me…

 

One needs to be cautious when hiring an unknown entity… However, when S&M is added to the equation one needs to be ultra vigilant… When things turn out not as you imagined one has to make the best of the situation… however when an individual oversteps their S&M bounds or does not know what they are doing it is best to bail out and bail out fast. Based on what Buzz stated above at least the experience was on the tame side of the equation… That perhaps resulted in a less than satisfactory encounter, but at least he did not inadvertently hook up with an individual who tipped the scales in the direction of being too aggressive, violent, and irresponsible at the same time!

 

 

That’s where is forum proves to be extremely helpful…

 

Thanks to Buzz and Tom for exposing this individual for what he is.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Thanks to ALL!!!

 

You guys are better than Nancy Drew on Steroids! I didnt even catch

 

the identical phone numbers.

 

The butt pics are definitely the same!

 

THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP!!!!!!!!

[Guest novabear22031]

This group is great at solving mysteries.....

 

But it does bring up the topic of companions that have multiple listings in order to have a broader appeal to a broader market....

 

Some don't play that game, they rather the curious like myself ask about their other interests. Came across a guy that has been reviewed here before - describing himself as this sort of thug top - I liked his looks. We chatted about my desires, and he stated that given his "look" he found a niche with guys that wanted that. But he was very open to what I wanted - sadly he moved before I could hook-up with him....

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Tis true Nova

 

Escorts Market for the best response - But often have other sides.

 

I myself am Top Bottom Slave Master Bed Bath and Beyond!

 

Unfortunately for Escorts they generally have to choose a market

 

niche and design their marketing plan to scew towards a

 

specific population.

 

I understand the multiple ad approach - But would prefer a Single

 

detailed honest ad.

 

Most of us can understand that Guys are not ALWAYS TOP or ALWAYS

 

BOTTOM. I'd trust my Naked soul to an honest guy long before

 

I'd trust a multi-market Wal-Mart Guy with honesty problems who is

 

selling both Mascara and Spark Plugs!

 

LLL

 

Wild

[+ Tom Isern]

Here's another ad of his that I forgot to mention. The pics are stolen from the porn star Anthony Lafont.

 

http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=100502&Location=229&speciality=Rentboy&keywords=mike&modifiedDT=&page=5&only_available=0%200#

 

The idea that escorts have to appeal to different niche markets makes a lot of sense. Stealing someone else's pictures to do it is another thing.

[whipped guy]

Re: I myself am Top Bottom Slave Master Bed Bath and Beyond! [/font color=blue]

 

Oh wet and wild one…Speaking of marketing… and unfortunately so much boils down to marketing these days… that is a marketing slogan to end all marketing slogans.

 

Re: But would prefer a Single detailed honest ad. [/font color=blue]

 

Most definitely!

 

Incidentally, my favorite S&M escort of all time was into marketing… and stated that it was best not to “oversell” one’s talents… his philosophy being it was always best to leave just a bit to the “consumer’s” imagination…

 

PS to Tom:[/font color=blue]

 

You're hired as the official Message Center detective/researcher/investigator...

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Well Whipped who is/was this Top TOP S&M Guy?

 

Inquiring minds want to know!

[whipped guy]

Reece Rothmeier... unfortunately now retired.

 

Seriously, he did work a number of years in marketing even though that was not his main area of expertise…

[buzz]

Hi Whipped Guy

 

Your comments about the dangers of SM scenes gone bad are right on the mark. I have been very lucky in my search for Sadistic Tops and your warnings are exactly why I prefer to hire professionals. It has been my experience that escorts who specialize in SM and leather are generally responsible guys, men who know what they are dong and how to give a masochist his full satisfaction without endangering his well-being or his life.

 

I have hired many SM/leather escorts over the years and almost all have been most satisfactory, especially as one hires them repeatedly. My fear is meeting the wrong kind of guy outside the escort scene. Several times my "gaydar" has tipped off leather tops in bars where I suddenly didn't feel comfortable with proceeding further. I don't know if I missed something great but I am still here in good condition. There was a predator haunting the leather bars in NYC a few years ago and he usually went out of control doing major damage to his bottoms. Fortunately I never encountered him but his story is a warning to all bottoms to be careful in pick-up situations.

 

Except for the guy that Tom Isern has exposed, I have found escorting Sadists to be responsible and worthwhile.

buzz

:9

[whipped guy]

Buzz… I for the most past have been lucky as well... but have lived through and survived several over the top experiences... one of which I might add was of my own doing… when the “younger” and “less wise” version of Mr. Whipped asked for a “test my limits to the extreme” experience… I survived… but I did not want (nor was I in any condition) to play for quite a while after that one… At least I can say I've been there and done that...

 

I have hooked up with some guys that have done irresponsible things… or at least tried to do irresponsible things… That is why this forum is very beneficial… both in what has been posted publicly and also via private messages.

 

When you play with fire you are apt to get burned… but when the burning leads to scaring that lasts for an inordinate period of time then someone has been irresponsible…

 

I make the analogy that S&M is like a real estate transaction in a buyer’s market where in actuality the buyer sets the price.

 

Consequently, the cardinal rule in S&M is that the bottom sets the rules… if that is not the case then “forget about it”!

 

Several months ago I exchanged several emails with a guy… he ultimately canceled on me saying that I would be “Topping from Below”… well as far as I was concerned he did me a favor!

[best hotel]

check out the post here "$485"...he has raised his rates...i saw him a few weeks ago for $150...might have gone back for another appointment, but not at these rates...what has changed in what he does or looks like in the past month....his partner, the slave trainer/david also has rated that slip and soar all over the place