Eric Summer's (worthless) review

[Bob]

I just noticed in the review of Eric today that in both of his reviews the writer refused to give details out of respect for the escort. Bogus? Certainly a waste of my time. The topic of worthless reviews has been discussed here all too often. Recently when with a favorite escort I apologized for asking a rather personal question and he noted that we had just spent a half hour licking one another's asses so I shouldn't worry about being too bold. It sort of put things in perspective.

[MichiganMan]

The review is pretty much structured like the rest of this website...worthless!!

[Guest scortlovr]

I think you're way too harsh calling the site worthless. The site is a great forum and can only be as good or bad as we, the users, make it. I agree that Eric Summer's review is worthless but only because the poster had nothing substantial to say. But there are reviews out there that I find very informative and I often use them to influence my decision on whether to hire someone or not. And some of the other threads can be fun too. Anyway, just my 2 cents' worth . . .

[Charlus]

I agree -- the majority of the reviews are informative. Even the ones that don't go into great detail about the sexual practices, often give insight via relevant details into the escort's professionalism, personality, and attitudes towards his work.

[jackhammer91406]

>The review is pretty much structured like the rest of this

>website...worthless!!

 

One can only wonder why, if you find the site so worthless, you still come around and put in your worthless 2 cents. hmmm?

[AdamSmith]

Sorry to hijack this thread back to the point of the escort under review. But here goes:

 

I saw Eric for an evening last fall. (Mea culpa for not reviewing.) Great start in that he was willing to commute waaay out to San Ramon to meet me. Nice personality. Cute body. Very good fucker. Decent fuckee, though not quite as enthusiastic getting as giving. Adequate kisser. Happy to cum at the appropriate time, without advance negotiation of said action. All told, I would see him again.

 

Hope that fills the gap a little bit. He filled mine!

[Guest novabear22031]

I am also tired of reviews that list the rate as $0! I know rates vary, but it is nice to know what someone paid....

[SAdler]

>I am also tired of reviews that list the rate as $0! I know

>rates vary, but it is nice to know what someone paid....

 

I can totally respect that from a client's point of view but when it comes to posting a rate when their rates actually vary, it ends up wasting the escort's time or WORSE creating a conflict after the appointment.

 

There are several types of clients. There are two that matter here:

 

The ones that give validity to the stereotype (because stereotypes start somewhere) and treat an appointment like they're a walking ATM and ask how much they owe you at the end the appointment and the ones that assume they know you're rate and give you money at the end (sometimes just sticking it in your pocket at the end) without ever asking the rate in the set up process.

 

If the former often gets mistaken for the latter in the booking process and it becomes very awkward. Granted if the latter gives me the wrong amount it is partially my fault for not clarifying things in advance but they share some of the blame for never asking. They simply see a rate on a site and assume that is the rate for their appointment.

 

So the $0 or varies is there for a reason, because the escort expects you to ask for the rate. Telling you what someone paid might be completely irrelevant for you in many cases so what's the problem with just asking for a rate if you contact the escort?

[jackhammer91406]

Can't believe I am weighing in on this, but I think a problem might arise when the impression is given that certain clients get a higher rate because they may be less attractive and conversely, the more attractive clients may get a lower rate.

 

I always appreciate a client review that states what was paid for the session but I also understand the escort's preference to keep the rates open.

 

It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma. Someone's sensibilities are often going to get stepped on.

[Funseeker 22]

"So the $0 or varies is there for a reason, because the escort expects you to ask for the rate. Telling you what someone paid might be completely irrelevant for you in many cases so what's the problem with just asking for a rate if you contact the escort?"

 

Good Question and something that most people would like to know ahead of time and are prepared with $$ inhand. Your personal menu though seems to include many A`La `Carte $$ options that your visitor may or may not choose to include at a first meeting. I prefer to meet someone with a flat fee, someone who is willing to be flexible,versatile etc, depending on the vibe, with no additional $$ strings attached.

[SAdler]

>Can't believe I am weighing in on this, but I think a problem

>might arise when the impression is given that certain clients

>get a higher rate because they may be less attractive and

>conversely, the more attractive clients may get a lower rate.

 

I would hope that's never the case. I was referring to more of how I base an hourly rate in how much prep time goes into an appointment for me.

 

There are times when I will lower a rate if that's an issue for a potential client who I might sleep with voluntarily but that's always with the caveat that if they don't look like their pictures etc. in person then it's back to full rate.

 

But someone who raises a rate based on someone's attractiveness is kinda shitty.

[SAdler]

>I prefer to meet someone with a flat fee,

>someone who is willing to be flexible,versatile etc, depending

>on the vibe, with no additional $$ strings attached.

>

 

Thus why I like to get to know a person in depth before an appointment and make sure we're compatible on all levels before we meet. I don't like the whole, "you a bottom? great I'll come over."

 

If someone has interests or is potentially interested in expanding their sexual boundaries I let them know that I'm happy to nbe prepared for whatever and oblige and what they should expect in any situation.

[GloriousGodfrey]

>There are times when I will lower a rate if that's an issue

>for a potential client who I might sleep with voluntarily

 

You've been forced to sleep with clients before? That must be one mean pimp you have

[Guest novabear22031]

Amen!

 

Just like my review I posted here, the companion and I were both looking for an escape. He gave me a great rate for the trip. I put it out there to show the honesty and integrity of his dealings with with clients.

 

So what if the rate is below their posted rate? Maybe they were ditched by those they thought they would meet on a "travel trip". Or perhaps it is the honesty and trust that builds in emails and phone calls..

 

I personally hate ads that state "rates vary".... What in the hell does that mean?

[Guest novabear22031]

>There are times when I will lower a rate if that's an issue

>for a potential client who I might sleep with voluntarily but

>that's always with the caveat that if they don't look like

>their pictures etc. in person then it's back to full rate.

 

 

Nice to hear...in particular for those of us that live in cities like DC. For there are clients like myself that are not the "typical" client, in that we both "work hard for our money" - to borrow from the song....

[augustman]

First time in weeks I felt like responding to thread.

 

Regarding the review, it was not worthless, just could have been expanded a bit. Now I think most know that I write very long detailed reviews. But I do respect the nice short ones too. We did learn the escort responds quickly, photos matched, escort showed up on time. Great start!

 

Now what is missing which is important to many of us especially for versatile escorts, a short review of the sex, especially anal. Just because an escort is versatile many, not most or all, but many are better one way or the other. No need to go into a lot of detail but a quick three four sentances on the sex itself, does not need to reveal a lot of personal stuff. Also no need to rough up the reviewer, he may have been someone who takes these meetings very personal and feels he cheapens the meeting by giving a porn story.

 

On the other point regarding rates, there are very good reasons not to give rates. First a couple of guys I use to meet on a regular basis gave me preferential rates. The good ones do not say anything just give the rate and most experienced clients know when they receive that. Second, I do not think there is anything wrong with an escort offering different rates to different people. There are many factors going into setting a meeting up. Most guys, but not all, do offer discounts for the preferred multi-hour appointments but that is the escorts' business perspective.

 

However, I will say it would be nice to know a little information about what an escort's rate is, just so that the client is not wasting the escort's time. When the rate is stated and the client declines because it is too high, the reaction I have received when I say that is an exasperation. So as long as escort does not get touchy when asking about and then declining because of the rate then I see no real problem with the varies.

[SAdler]

>When the rate is

>stated and the client declines because it is too high, the

>reaction I have received when I say that is an exasperation.

>So as long as escort does not get touchy when asking about and

>then declining because of the rate then I see no real problem

>with the varies.

 

I only have an exasperated annoyed response when the client goes above and beyond saying "that's too high" and adds an "expletive" of sorts, no need to go into detail about THOSE here.

 

Typically if a client responds, "too high" or something of that nature I respectfully respond that, "Too high can come across as rude and perhaps if they wanted to be respectful and get an escort to lower their rate in the future saying 'that's out of my price range' is a better option."

 

With that said there's no personal commentary on the escort etc. Kind of like in therapy when they say use "I statements" instead of "You statements." Guarantee if you keep that in mind you'll get far less exasperation and someone more likely to try to work with you.

[SAdler]

>You've been forced to sleep with clients before? That must be one >mean pimp you have

 

Ha ha Only pimp around here is apparently me according to other threads But yeah -- I have a lot of guys who show up at my door and I'm like,

 

"Shit, did I order in from ManHunt and forget there was someone coming over for work?"

 

It was particularly fun in college when there were guys with plenty of Mumsy and Dadsy's money that were total closet cases and found out that I lived on campus too. To each their own. Ironically enough I got a couple of those enrolled in the Gay Mentorship program there when they were ready to come out.

 

>Nice to hear...in particular for those of us that live in

>cities like DC. For there are clients like myself that are not

>the "typical" client, in that we both "work hard for our

>money" - to borrow from the song....

 

....eh eh, So ch-ard for it ch-oneeey, eh eh eh eh, I verk chard for my money so ju betta treat me right, eh that's right

 

~Agador in The Bird Cage

[augustman]

Actually Scott I was paraphrasing and I am never blunt to the point of being rude. I have only been in the too high phase couple of times over these four years. Each time I stated, "Thank you for your time, but that is out of my range." All asked what my range was and I told them. The first one proceded to send me several emails calling me cheap blank, blank blank blank. He repeated the email for a couple of days. The man is still escorting so I guess he has his following, "To each his own."

 

The other two agreed with my range. In both cases the meetings were less than satisfactory with one asking for a tip to make up for taking a lower amount and the second one reminded me several times how great a deal he had given me.

 

So what I have learned from this is that I will only accept one offer from the escort. I do not negotiate rates. I always give all the info, usually way overboard, but no surprises. I ask the rate, if it is in the range or just over great. If they ask me before I will tell them my range. These are never 1 hour appts, usually 3 hours or more. Even if I here a hesitation in the voice or extra questions in email regading rates, I simply cut it off and say "I am not sure this will work out and I do not want you to feel ill used so lets just pass." I really do not want an escort to feel like he is giving something away. I always go into this with the notion that both parties are feeling great when they part. This is for pleasure.

 

So I think it is fine that an escort choses not to want to post his rates, it is your business. Fortuantely I like to get to the point so the guy is not wasting a lot of time on this. I like to get this stuff done in one to two emails or calls and thats the end of that.

[Guest novabear22031]

Amen to that, been seeing too many of those of late.....

[twinklover]

I'm trying to be good. I've seen Scott at certain rentboy events and I don't want to be another harsh critic, although I've been a harsh critic in the past. I don't want to, even though (unlike KYTop) there's virtually no chance I would ever hire him. I have no goodwill that I ever expect to cultivate from him. He's an enigma. He can be charming in person. His reviews indicate that his sexual skills can be outstanding. But.......

 

"I would hope that's never the case. I was referring to more of how I base an hourly rate in how much prep time goes into an appointment for me. [Oh puleeze, you mean the client should pay for you to clean out your asshole.]

 

There are times when I will lower a rate if that's an issue for a potential client who I might sleep with voluntarily but that's always with the caveat that if they don't look like their pictures etc. in person then it's back to full rate." [Oh yeah, let's get back to impugning those "disgusting" clients of yours who you are forced to have sex with "involuntarily."]

 

But you keep on putting your foot in your mouth without my help.

 

"Rates vary." Yeah right.

[+ ArVaGuy]

When I see a review that has "0" listed under the rate I assume the guy works for free. :+ Afterall, if he chargred a rate there should be one right? }(

 

Further when I see "rate varies" well that tells me that his rates are open to negotiation. When an escort publishes his rate in this manner I always negotiate the rate he quotes and more often than not he comes down from his initial quote. Better for the escort to publish his base rate rather than "0" or "varies" IMHO.

 

If its listed as "Ask" that's a little different. However, this still could give a potential client an inclination to seek to negotiate. I would look at this as "asking price" "bidding price" and then finally "selling price" under this circumstance.

 

Once again, better to publish a base rate and then the client does not waste his time and that of the escort by getting into protracted e-mail situations. With a published rate a client than then determine if that price point is one he can aford or move on. Therefore, one could conclude that "0", "varies" and "Ask" set the escort up for his own headaches in one way or another.

[AdamSmith]

>Further when I see "rate varies" well that tells me that his

>rates are open to negotiation.

 

Not always. Sometimes an escort will choose to set different rates based on, for example, cost of doing business in various travel cities.

 

Absence of published rates has never given me heartburn. If I see someone whose pics and text attract me but who didn't publish a rate, I ask. Then I get an answer, then I decide. QED.

 

If, as you say, you don't like negotiating, yet you find yourself doing it, you might try another tactic which I discovered in the vendor stalls in Shanghai (vendors of silk scarves and other doodads, not companions!): When they name their "best price," shake your head regretfully and start to ease away. If they want your business, they will start bidding themselves down without you having to say a word. :-)

[SAdler]

I knew I was starting to really like you for a reason

 

S A

[SAdler]

Hey Twinkie, While I appreciate your "goodwill" please don't do me any favors if you're still going to make brainless remarks (literally and figuratively). Was going to post asking why you simply reposted quotes and then a foot in mouth comment (which would have ACTUALLY been a classy attempt to get your point across) and then realized your brainless actions extend into HOW you post with brackets instead of parentheses ] [ ...

 

>Oh puleeze, you mean the client should

>pay for you to clean out your asshole.

 

There's a lot more than that but frankly no need to respond to such a rude and crass remark.

 

>Oh yeah, let's get back to impugning those "disgusting"

>clients of yours who you are forced to have sex with

>"involuntarily."

 

I'm not forced to have sex with anyone. If there's someone I don't think I'll have a good sexual encounter with I politely tell them it's a waste of our time and his money. Only happened a couple times and it's hygeine related.

 

Where are those dead horse photos. Get over a CONTEXTUAL reference which have NOTHING to do with what we're talking about.

 

>But you keep on putting your foot in your mouth without my

>help.

 

If you actually have changed your opinion on me then why don't you stick with the old adage that if you can't say anything nice don't say anything that's a blatant attack. You really can't have it both ways.