Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

[Guest icon513]

I thought that Michael #2 -- reviewed today -- sounded interesting, so I looked at his ad on RentBoy (http://www.rentboy.com/loverboy3).

 

I was surprised to see "i mean not disrespect.. but no black guys just from personal experience".

 

Do we think this is OK? I'm not black and Michael #2 is, but it rubs me the wrong way nonetheless when someone writes off an entire race because of a few apparently bad experiences with individuals. I think that's usually called racism.

[Guest novabear22031]

No different in my experiences in the online dating world. I have met some guys in chatting that are only in to <pick you ethnic background>.

 

Is this really any different from "no chubs", "no skinnies", "no one under X age"?

[Guest josephga]

this stuff happens allot. I ran my massage ad a few months back on the craigslist. This black guy wanted to buy a massage. He told me while making small talk that he had contacted 4 others in the Atlanta area for a massage and most asked for pics and he felt they didn't want him as a client because he was black.. I thought why its just a damn massage. So i can see this happening. but in this guys case since he is selling his body i can see how some would a have a preference.

[Guest ncm2169]

So, don't hire him. :-)

 

Last time I checked, escort services weren't covered by anti-discrimination laws.

[+ deej]

>Do we think this is OK?

 

If it means the escort will deliver a less than acceptable experience with someone who is (old, fat, femme, black, asian, hairy, whatever), it's in ALL of our best interests if he says it up front.

 

The guys who DO have problems with (old, fat, femme, black, asian, hairy, whatever) clients and see them anyway end up getting branded as "bad" when they take the money but deliver less than stellar experiences.

 

We give lip service all the time around here about how important it is to communicate, particularly about limits. Here we have an escort that is communicating his limits up front.

 

It's ironic, really. We hold their feet to the fire when they're NOT honest, and here we're talking about holding this kid's feet to the fire because he IS honest.

 

We're setting up a lose-lose situation for escorts.

[buckguy]

we've gone through this multiple times with Small Town John. The last word in each of these kinds of threads tends to differ: One person's racist is another's honest advertiser. I tend to err on the side of the racism. Deej has outlined the other argument. My suggestion is that you figure out someway to bring something new to all of this rather than just leading a rehash. In John's case, he just opens a new thread on another subject when the issue is raised.

[+ deej]

Let me be perfectly clear.

 

I've never said it isn't racist. It clearly is. (And age-ist, and fatty-ist, and any other -ist you can think of.)

 

My point is this: would you, as a client, rather know it before or after spending $200 or more?

 

Or, if you're going to be turned away at the door would you rather know in advance so you don't make the appointment in the first place? Do you YEARN for those "sorry, this won't work" moments? (Hey, there's a fantasy for EVERYONE.)

 

If a specific kind of client won't work at all, I don't have a problem with the escort saying so in their advertising.

[2hard2tame]

Oh god. The R word.

So now, if someone isn't comfortable with seeing someone who doesn't fit their sexual preference its fucking racist?

 

Are you kidding me? Why should someone be branded a racist if they make it clear they aren't comfortable with someone else.

 

I don't find black people attractive sexually.

 

And if you look at HIV statistics, its it severely more prevalent amongst african gay men.

 

I am truly sick and tired of people using the word racist in general. I mean, racist doesn't only apply to blacks.

 

But it goes in line with the agenda of bleeding heart liberals who haven't a clue about real life.

[2hard2tame]

Oh and after looking at his profile...

 

what the fuck. The dood is black himself. So, what...he is racist against his own kind?

 

You gotta be shitting me.

[Guest ript4hire]

Deej is "spot on" here - on the one hand it is helpful, for if I was a

black man I would NOT want hire someone and shell out a few hundred

bucks only to endure a mediocre experience. So it is useful information

...

 

... which is also clearly racist. I'm sorry, but anyone who says "I am

not attracted to black men" or any other race AS A RULE ... is racist.

Maybe generally a guy finds himself leaning towards a particular type

... but to automatically exclude a whole race? C'mon. I just feel bad

for people like that - there are a beautiful men out there, and as

Skittles reminds me, I'd rather "taste the rainbow."

 

Oh, and implying that it is ok to shun black men sexually because as a

race they have higher HIV rates? BAD form. Follow that logic further

and we will all start having sex with Native Alaskan women ... they have

REALLY low infection rates. Give me a break. Play safe, and don't

couch racism in "I am just trying to stay healthy."

 

Eric

[2hard2tame]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

I dont find asians sexually attractive.

And I dont find dogs and cats sexually attractive.

 

 

Does that make me racist against those?

 

Stop already. Before you make spitting on the sidewalk racist also.

 

Christ, just stop saying racist.

[2hard2tame]

>Oh, and implying that it is ok to shun black men sexually

>because as a

>race they have higher HIV rates? BAD form.

 

 

 

 

 

But healthier body.

I wont increase my risk to please anyone, OR be politically correct.

Why are you complaining? That leaves more for you.

 

Have fun.

 

Ill be a measly couple hundred poorer and happier knowing i just reduced my chances. *rolleyes

[Guest icon513]

Guys, guys, guys!

 

The escort is NOT turning away black customers because he is not sexually attracted to them, but because he has had "bad experiences" with black customers in the past.

 

We're not talking about a sexual preference, we're talking about not catering to a large part of the world's population because of a couple "bad experiences" with a one or two individual members of a particular race.

 

Am I the only one who sees this as a significant difference?

[vabballfan]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

This is all total bullshit. What a fucking crock of shit!!!

 

I am not a racist. I am not prejudiced. If anything, I have been the target of bigotry in the past because of my religion - I'm Jewish.

 

I have always had a plethora of friends and co-workers that were not members of the "WASP Majority" here in the United States. However, there are certain types of men that turn me on sexually - the All American boy/man next door. I'm not a racist when it comes to African Americans (at all) - I'm an just not turned on sexually by them. I am not turned on by Asian men, Indian men or certain other ethic groups. That does not make me a racist and I take offense to people that think it is racist.

 

A lot of straight men are into blond blue eyed women and that's what gets them going. The fact they would not be attracted to a beautiful black woman does not make them racist.

 

Give me a fucking break. Not having a sexual response to one or more ethnic groups does not make anyone a racist. If an escort is not turned on by black men and he can't perform, that doesn't make him a racist. If red haired, green eyed men didn't "get me up" and I didn't hire a red haired, green eyed escort because of that that is not racist. If smooth bodies with shaved pubes didn't get me hard and I didn't hire an escort because of that I'm not a racist.

 

A guy could be just my type in almost every way - brown or blond hair, blue eyes, hairy chest, clean shaven, big cock and totally versatile - but he has 10 tatoos all over his body, I'm turned off - I don't like tatoos (and in general don't like piercings either) and don't understand why anyone would deface their body that way - my opinion only. That doesn't make me a bad person. I'm sorry - I don't like looking at a guy's back that has a mural painted on it when I've got him on his hands and knees pounding the cum of him doggie style. It turns me off to be on my back with my legs up the air looking at guy that has a piercings through his nose and eyebrows. If a guy has a beard and he goes down on me and it doesn't feel good so I don't hire escorts with beards that doesn't equate to prejudice - lack of sexual response isn't racism. Sorry, it just fucking turns me off.

 

Sexual response, or lack thereof, might be tied to racism in some cases - but probably not in the majority of cases. If an escort excludes a particular ethnic group as a client or a client excludes a particular ethnic group when hiring an escort that doesn't always equate to racism - and probably doesn't in the majority of cases.

 

To brand someone a racist because his cock doesn't get hard with a man that isn't his "type" is unfair and racist in itself.

[Guest icon513]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

Perhaps you didn't read my message above, but this escort is not unwelcoming of black clients because they do nothing for him sexually. Sexual attractiveness (or lack thereof) generally isn't driven by bigotry; it's just what gets the blood flowing sexually.

 

No...he's unwelcoming of black men because (in spite of being black himself) he claims to have had "bad experiences" with "black men" in the past.

 

Big difference to me, but perhaps I'm the only one.

[Louis]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

That escort was open to having business with black people at one time, but by sounds of things had a few bad experiences. While its true he is generalizing, its also true that he is trying to protect himself from having similar problems. Maybe he will change his mind down the road.

There are people on the list here that will not see escorts who are Black or Asian, but they are not racist, they want to tumble in the hay with someone they feel they will be comfortable with.

There are escorts in all shapes and sizes, but I only like to be in bed with escorts that are the same size as myself, both height wise and weight wise.

A bad experience can stay with a person for quite a while, but he may go back to seeing Blacks.

[Guest josephga]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

This guys rate looks really high to me. 300.00 is allot of money for a guy with just average looks. I personally have never hired a escort but if i did they better look better than something i can get for free off of manhunt

[+ Charlie]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

Michael#2 doesn't explain what the bad experiences were, which makes it hard to figure out whether he is just making hasty racial generalizations, or whether something happened that traumatized him emotionally. For instance, if he got stiffed for a fee, it's silly to blame that on the client's race. On the other hand, suppose he were assaulted by a client; it might make him so jittery that he couldn't perform satisfactorily the next time with a client who reminded him of his assailant. We know logically that all clients of X race are not going to behave the same, but our emotions aren't ruled by logic. I'm with deej on this one: I'd rather have an escort who is honest about where his head is at, regardless of whether we think his attitude is racist (or ageist, or whatever). And he would probably be happier not having a client who would condemn him with an automatic label.

[+ Axiom2001]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

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[+ Axiom2001]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

>I dont find asians sexually attractive.

>And I dont find dogs and cats sexually attractive.

>

>

>Does that make me racist against those?

>

>Stop already. Before you make spitting on the sidewalk racist

>also.

>

>Christ, just stop saying racist.

>

>

>

>

 

 

"Christ, just stop saying racist." Well, why not replace that word with these: "racially prejudice" or "racially bigoted" or "racially biased based on prior experiences!!!!!!" :(

[+ Axiom2001]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

Well, I have hired and am still hiring escorts; I WOULD NOT have sought out the services of Michael because I don't find him physically attractive! His racial make up would NOT have entered into the profile of selection at all!

[Guest novabear22031]

>>Do we think this is OK?

>

>If it means the escort will deliver a less than acceptable

>experience with someone who is (old, fat, femme, black, asian,

>hairy, whatever), it's in ALL of our best interests if he says

>it up front.

>

>The guys who DO have problems with (old, fat, femme, black,

>asian, hairy, whatever) clients and see them anyway end up

>getting branded as "bad" when they take the money but deliver

>less than stellar experiences.

>

>We give lip service all the time around here about how

>important it is to communicate, particularly about limits.

>Here we have an escort that is communicating his limits up

>front.

>

>It's ironic, really. We hold their feet to the fire when

>they're NOT honest, and here we're talking about holding this

>kid's feet to the fire because he IS honest.

>

>We're setting up a lose-lose situation for escorts.

 

Good points...

 

That is why in my few dealings with escorts (only have hired once so far) I have been probably more than honest about myself. In my first hiring, the escort was totally cool with my stats, and even thought that upon our meeting I was too hard on myself. A couple did tell me that they were not interested, and I appreciated their honesty.

 

Some of us are turning to escorts to cut through the BS. Any limits mentioned up front only makes sense to me, and is a big +.

[Guest novabear22031]

>Oh and after looking at his profile...

>

>what the fuck. The dood is black himself. So, what...he is

>racist against his own kind?

>

>You gotta be shitting me.

 

Add to that his own words, "but no black guys just from personal experience" based on his interests mentioned before this quote.

[Epigonos]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

This topic has come up many times before and the conclusions we reach are always the same. The escort is an individual businessman and has the right to LIMIT his potential clients in any way he chooses. Now in limiting his potential clients he should also be aware that he is limiting his ptoential income.

As a client I am selective in the escorts I choose to hire. While who I select has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity it does have everything to do with body type. I, as a rule, hire only escorts who have bodybuilder/gymnast bodies. I have hired African/American guys, Latino guys, Asian guys, and Anglo guys all with this type of body. Now does this preference make me a "body-fascist" to be condemned for my "prejudice"; possibly. However, in my mind the hiring of escorts is all about the fulfillment of fantasies. Guys with bodybuilder/gymnast bodies rock my boat and fulfill my fastasy.

I also firmly believe that escorts are entitled to have limitations and preferences. I am 66 years old and always state that fact up front in my dealings with an escort I have never seen before. On one or two occasions the emailing of my age has ended futher communication with an escort. That is just fine with me at least I didn't have to face a door slammed in my face or expierence a lack luster performance. If I have the right to be a "body-fascist" by damn an escsort has a right to be an "ageist".

[2hard2tame]

RE: Michael #2: "No Black Guys"

 

No, those are just as bad. And yes, I got that you are being sarcastic.

 

Let me give you an example.

 

If the dudes ad had said

 

"no disrespect, but no crackers, chinks, spic's, kiks or niggers...

THAT would be racist.

 

And only then would that be wrong. Racism isn't just hate against blacks, its hate against any damn race or religion. Too many people think that racism is just against blacks. There has been horrendous things done to many races in the past, making America's short history of slavery pale in comparison.

 

 

Slavery has been around for thousands of years, yet you don't see the Egyptians paying reparations or losing their job because the people they enslaved found something offensive in their speech and got the fired or worse branded a RACIST!!

 

The jews have been literally tortured, murdered, raped, fucking exterminated for centuries but yet you don't see them hardly complain. They sit back, work harder and laugh in everyone else's faces while dominating in the background. They take responsibility for their actions and don't blame their laziness and bullshit on others.

 

 

Dammit, I got off on a tangent. But, shit like this has gone far enough. It used to be that it was only blacks that use their color as an excuses for bad behavior or to one up someone. Now, they don't even have to defend themselves, you average loser liberal bleeding heart douche bag politically correct white person will do it for you.

 

 

Do I believe ALL blacks are bad etc? hell no. Do I believe the majority are? Yes.

I will not excuse the actions of many based off the actions of a few. I refuse to ignore reality and shit right in front of our faces because its not PC to do so. Its time you overpriveledged, sheltered misguided and delusional people realized reality.

 

 

Oh god, another tangent. I mean how much proof do you need when a black guy doesnt even want to see fellow blacks?

Gee, I wonder why.

 

Maybe he got tired of risking his health for some others fools mistakes or carelessness.

Maybe he realized welfare doesnt cover HIV/AIDS meds, and decided its not worth the risk.

Maybe he got ripped off one too many times.

Maybe Maybe Maybe.

 

 

I realize that this post will anger some,and others will throw in my face that I just lost buisness...

But its something I am willing to lose and furthermore, I am prepared to lose alot more. This is America and I will not have some liberal nazi tell me what I can and cant say because its not PC. Fuck that.

 

I would rather speak my mind and be heard than worry about some idiot getting mad at me and not using my excellent services *wink wink

 

Anyways, I am done.