SF Recommendations

[Guest TBinCHI]

Frankly, I think the point is that many gay men take offense at the term "straight acting" not just Rick. While you may have been offended that Rick reacted to your use of the term on "your" thread, you are clearly the instigator of the negativity. Let's see, you called Rick a "silly queen", "Missy Rick", and a "schmuck". Ad hominem attacks are a clear indication of lack of confidence in one's position. Interestingly, for someone who claims to be no fan of Rick, you seem to be keeping tabs on his travel plans. Me thinks he doth protest too much.

[+ Axiom2001]

As I see it, Rick "highjacked" the guy's legitimate thread. He only asked for recommendations and stated his preference. The tit for tat analysis has gone on longer than I think your and my cyberbuddy or acquaintance really wanted.

 

The guy MERELY WANTED SOME VIABLE recommendations! I hope his requests are acknowledged and that he is able to meet one or more escorts who have been recommended by those of us who are serious!

[Guest manrent1]

Thanks Axiom. I appreciate it.

 

Just think a lot of folks here get tired of the constant habit Ms. Ricky has of jumping onto EVERY post with his comments and remarks.

[Guest PWIT]

>Just think a lot of folks here get tired of the constant habit

>Ms. Ricky has of jumping onto EVERY post with his comments and

>remarks.

 

And on the other side of the coin, there are probably a lot of folks who enjoy the diversions that Rick brings to the forum. It appears you enjoy the back & forth too, otherwise you could have let it die out without a response. The 'Ms. Ricky' comment seems like you are stoking the fire even more trying to draw a response.

 

I take it you have not met Rick, otherwise you would know what you assume about his persona from his postings is totally off the mark.

 

PWIT

just my 2 cents worth....you get them for free

[Louis]

I just finished watching that dastardly show American Idol.. and the chat here makes me think of Simon and Paula...:-)

I bet if you get the two in bed things would get hot...and it could be the same scenerio here....:-)

[Guest TBinCHI]

You could have made the same point without hurling the insult.

[Rick Munroe]

>As I see it, Rick "highjacked" the guy's legitimate thread.

 

Actually manrent1 was the thread hijacker here. I made one humorous post, as is my style, taking a gentle jab at his use of the term "straight-acting." I didn't set out to preach or make a big deal out of it. Manrent1 had the choice of either ignoring my post or replying. He chose to reply, not once but multiple times, in a frantic barrage of nasty personal attacks, as TBinChi noted. If he'd wanted to keep this thread on topic, then why post about my choice of swimwear, my choice of using the word "nip" vs. nipple, my choice of not using face pics, etc., not to mention providing me with various wikipedia definitions? Yes, I did reply to each of his posts, but he was the one who kept the focus on Derek and me. My original post was technically still on-topic, because the topic was "straight-acting escorts in SF."

 

Anyway, as I've said before, I don't see the big deal about thread hijacking. I enjoy participating in or reading conversations that flow naturally, and I think it's interesting to see where things go. I've created threads that veered off into other sub-topics and it was fine with me.

 

>The guy MERELY WANTED SOME VIABLE recommendations!

 

Axiom, if you look above, he did receive recommendations. Yeswell recommended 1Jon1, Epignos recommended Steven Kesslar, and tallguy recommended Ben Beckman. Manrent1 never posted acknowledgment of their input, however, because he was too busy analyzing my travel ads. :+

[Rick Munroe]

>I take it you have not met Rick, otherwise you would know what

>you assume about his persona from his postings is totally off

>the mark.

 

Hey, you just blew my cover. I've worked very hard to create this false impression of being a "Chelsea queen" (as Steven Draker has called me without ever meeting me) so that nobody would know I'm really just a regular guy. Damn you, PWIT!

[Steven_Draker]

>Actually manrent1 was the thread hijacker here. I made one

>humorous post, as is my style, taking a gentle jab at his use

>of the term "straight-acting." I didn't set out to preach or

>make a big deal out of it. Manrent1 had the choice of either

>ignoring my post or replying. He chose to reply, not once but

>multiple times, in a frantic barrage of nasty personal

>attacks, as TBinChi noted. If he'd wanted to keep this thread

>on topic, then why post about my choice of swimwear, my choice

>of using the word "nip" vs. nipple, my choice of not using

>face pics, etc., not to mention providing me with various

>wikipedia definitions? Yes, I did reply to each of his posts,

>but he was the one who kept the focus on Derek and me. My

>original post was technically still on-topic, because the

>topic was "straight-acting escorts in SF."

>

>Anyway, as I've said before, I don't see the big deal about

>thread hijacking. I enjoy participating in or reading

>conversations that flow naturally, and I think it's

>interesting to see where things go. I've created threads that

>veered off into other sub-topics and it was fine with me.

 

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[Guest Delaware Man]

Rick a "Chelsea queen" roflmao!

[Guest manrent1]

Daddy Sez: "No Personal Information"

I never said he was a chelsea queen - I'm sure he's in a league all his own. Every Tom, dick and harry is a chelsea queen!

[Louis]

This has to be one of the most hillarious reads in a long time. Its been quite entertaining to say the least. Do you guys hire writers for this stuff?.. :-)

[+ Lucky]

I disagree. To come to a gay message board to seek someone "straight-acting" is homophobic and Rick was right to call manrent on it.

[Guest manrent1]

who ever said this was a GAY message board - this is a board about MALE ESCORTS - some whom are not GAY at all!

[+ Axiom2001]

You're quite welcome! I just hope that you'll find the man who will give you what you desire!!!! Enjoy "the city" as well as some of its finest male escorts for men!

[Epigonos]

You know guys this is all getting old. Let's be perfectly honest all manrent1 did was ask for some information using a term we all know and recognize. Some of us might not like terms like straight acting, nellie, or queeny but damnit to hell they are terms that all gays recognize, understand and some of us even use them. The fact is many escorts use the term "straight acting" to describe themselves -- just read the listing on men4rent and rentboys. Manrent1 asked a legitimate question and quite frankly he doesn't deserve all the SHIT he is getting.

[Guest PWIT]

>Manrent1 asked a legitimate

>question and quite frankly he doesn't deserve all the SHIT he

>is getting.

 

Epigonos, sure he deserves an answer...and believe he got some suggestions. But when fan the fire, expect the flame to get larger.

[Louis]

I didn't mean any disrespect to Manrent1 for my contributions to getting off the subject, and I have had postings where things got off topic...but I just figure if things get off topic then no one has anything else to contribute.

That being said Tony the Italian escort who operates themalenude.com is a great escort. I have never met him in person but, have chatted with him on phone, and he is very professional..The reason I have not hired him, is simple... I don't know when I will go to SF, and I have been busy doing other things when I have gone on holidays.

[+ Lucky]

Well, of course we all recognize remarks like those. They are derogatory comments that are used by homophobes, including gay homophobes. Shouldn't a gay man be able to come to these boards and not have to hear derogatory remarks? The concept that a gay man is not sexy unless he is "straight-acting" is blatant homophobia and I am surprised that you are endorsing its use here.

[Guest manrent1]

Lucky - relax! I NEVER said that a gay man that's not "straight acting" wasn't sexy

 

I simply said the kind of guy I was looking for - you may not agree with me - but I like to hire straight type guys sometimes called "gay for pay" - I'm gay myself but straight type guys are what I like to hire.

 

I guess in my book it's the same as an African American using the "n" word

 

some would say that "queen" and "fag" are less than flattering terms for gay men (and I probably agree)but many gay men use those terms when talking with each other and it's considered a normal part of the gay culture.

 

I'll flip your notion around and say "shouldn't a gay man be able to come to this board and say what he likes without being jumped on...?"

[Epigonos]

Lucky there are two points I would like to make here:

 

1. I have NOT endorsed or condemned the use of any terms here. I have simply made an observation regarding those terms

 

2. Simply because you or I believe that a term is derogatory does NOT make that belief valid for everybody. Nobody elected either of us god.

[+ Lucky]

Okay, I have had my eight hours of sleep. It does seem that no harm is intended here. Epigonos, manrent, let's join together now for a group hug...but keep your sissy hands to yourselves!! :)

[Rick Munroe]

>I simply said the kind of guy I was looking for - you may not

>agree with me - but I like to hire straight type guys

>sometimes called "gay for pay" - I'm gay myself but straight

>type guys are what I like to hire.

 

There's a difference between a guy who is "gay for pay" (a heterosexual who will have sex with men for money) and saying that someone who is masculine is "acting straight." You said you wanted someone gay/bi "or at least acting that way" and since a straight guy can be either masculine or effeminate, I still say there is no way to "act that way" unless, say, the guy is talking about how much he loves vagina.

 

>I guess in my book it's the same as an African American using

>the "n" word

 

Well, that's not the right analogy. As I said, saying that a masculine gay man is "straight acting" is the same as saying that a well educated and articulate black man is "white acting." The words to compare would be "fag" and "nigga," and while they can be seen as pejorative or empowering, they don't connote any indication of a person's behavioral characteristics.

 

>some would say that "queen" and "fag" are less than flattering

>terms for gay men (and I probably agree)but many gay men use

>those terms when talking with each other and it's considered a

>normal part of the gay culture.

 

Yes, but again, using those words is different from using "straight acting," which strongly implies that straight men are masculine by nature (which is untrue) and gay men are effeminate by nature (again, untrue). There are macho and girly guys of all sexual orientations, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a man who is effeminate, but using terms like "straight acting" perpetuates stereotypes that are unfair. This is not the same as using the words "fag" or "queer," which are merely slurs which can be used in negative or positive ways, depending on who's using them and in which context.

 

I'm a masculine man and there is absolutely nothing heterosexual about me, so I do take offense to being told (and I have heard it before, as has Derek) that I "seem so straight." I am sexually attracted to both butch and fem kind of guys, and I am not saying there is anything wrong with using those kinds of words to describe someone's personality. What I find unfair is the idea that all straights are butch and all gays are fem.

 

>I'll flip your notion around and say "shouldn't a gay man be

>able to come to this board and say what he likes without being

>jumped on...?"

 

I agree. So why did you "jump on" me for saying what I like? I never attacked you or called you a "schmuck"; I merely made a joke about the term "straight acting" without preaching. Maybe it was funny, maybe it wasn't, but I was just, as you say, "saying what I like." Shouldn't a gay man such as myself be able to come to this board and say what he likes without being told he's making "silly ' gay' comments just to call attention to himself"? :+

[Guest manrent1]

I'll be in SF in February for a couple of days. Wondering if anyone has any recommendations on recent experiences with hires in SF? I like them hung, straight/bi (or at least acting that way) and muscle is key.

 

Any recommendations would be appreciated.

[Louis]

"You said you wanted someone gay/bi "or at least acting that way" and since a straight guy can be either masculine or effeminate, I still say there is no way to "act that way" unless, say, the guy is talking about how much he loves vagina."

I can honestly say that I met a man who was very effeminate. Just the way he was, but he is not gay. I guess it comes down to stereotyping, and a lot of that happens because of various forms of the media.....Movies, TV shows, theatre.