going on to greater fame . . .

[uwsider]

I'm not sure that this qualifies as a topic worthy of posting, but it is something that has occurred in my experience and I've found it interesting. More than once I've used the services of "escorts" who later went on to some degree of "fame" or "infamy." My experience has been, mostly, that once they have achieved success, (in both instances in the porn film world), they have either declined to see me as a client, or jacked the price up to level beyond which I'm willing to pay. It's interesting because in two particular cases, they had been very appreciative of my patronage in the beginning. I'm a little disappointed, albeit, not surprised, that their gratitude was short-lived once they were no longer dependent on people like me. Nonetheless, it's unfortunate that they don't remember the clients who sustained them before the "made it." I'm wondering if anyone else had experienced anything similar?

[whipped guy]

Uwsider… It’s nothing unusual… its just part of human nature…

 

One escort who was making his way up the ladder in the porn industry knowing that I was a "satisfied customer" asked me to submit a review on his behalf. I did so... and a glowing one I might add. After that he more or less dissapeared and did not answer any of my emails or those of others for that matter... He subsequently moved to LA, but said he would be returning to the East Coast periodically due to family ties... Again silence...

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO..Human Nature is exactly what it is!

 

BUT it can also be said for alot of people, in Different PROFESSIONS who go on to Successful, Busy live's and "Donot or Cannot" find time, for those from the past happens!

 

We all know "I've been Busy", as an excuse doesn't hold alot of water! But it is an answer to a question, whether wanted or not! LOL

 

The Best to Do, IMHO is to not take it too Personally, and just not bother with further Contact! IMHO of course...

 

:P

[+ ArVaGuy]

Sounds familiar. I recall some years ago a guy who started out in DC as a bar dancer at Badlands. (The club is now called Apex.) His "manager" eventually convinced him to go to LA and make a few porns. It was not long before he was working for Chi Chi Larue and lived in her harem for a while. He also did some escorting.

 

A friend of mine wanted this guy to appear at a birthday party and do a little strip dance. This newly minted porn star agreed then two days beforehand tracks my friend down and drops out of the event. The dancer/porn star/escort felt it was not good for his image. After my friend stopped laughing he asked the guy if fucking on video for strangers to jack off to was good for his image as well. The dancer/porn star/escort turned on his heels and uh...pranced... away in a huff.

 

Nigh on ten years later this guy's image still appears on various sex products such as dildoh's, butt plugs, and vibrators just to name a few.

[Louis]

Well here I am playing the devil's advocate...

Lets say a guy was a car dealer... he sold Yugo's...things were going well, his shop rate was very fair and reasonable $50 an hour...then he decides he's going to move on and sell BMW's. Same guy different product. Now his shop rates are $150 an hour. Would you take your Skoda to him to have an oil change? :-)

All I am trying to say, is the person moved on to a different kind of market, and if everyone who bought a Yugo from him expected them to service their Yugos for $50 dollars an hour at his BMW dealership he would have serious problems.

Sure it would be nice if these guys would give a discount for a previous client, but if they are busy, then I think it would be doubtful.

Louis

[Guest zipperzone]

>Nigh on ten years later this guy's image still appears on

>various sex products such as dildoh's, butt plugs, and

>vibrators just to name a few.

 

WOW !!! He sure hit the big time, didn't he.

[+ ArVaGuy]

You would have to have known this guy personally like my friend and I did to find the concern about his image to be such an absurdity. Now that image is still used to sell sex toys long after he retired from the business.

[augustman]

Some interesting thoughts posted here I will comment on two. First I can understand the Yugo story, that said my general experience is there is customer loyalty. Some have changed their pricing but have always held me at the same as the first time. In fact, one couple in particular is so cognizant of customer loyalty that I do get a few extra perks such as pricing is more based on session than actual time in and out.

 

On the other hand in reference to the review comment, it has happen to me twice in the past year or so that the escort asked about a review and I did glowing in both and after they were posted further communications have ceased. So it happens and we move on, but I do not think they understood they have lost a repeat customer. I also think the difference between the best and the also rans can be very slim. The word "thoughtful" comes to mind. That if more guys would keep this word in their vocabulary even when you turn hot there will be the dead days.

[alanalt]

In the BBC comedy 'Yes, Minister', gratitude was defined as 'the lively expectation of future rewards'.

 

I'd say that applies to more than just politics!

[+ Tygerscent]

RE: My response to this is HUGE!!!

 

Two hours in the writing and still working... will post complete response this evening. Want to be thoughtful and as accrurate as possible.

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[+ purplekow]

Just a few idle thoughts on this.

 

We all view things differently and that is certainly true of relationships, personal and professional.

It may be that you felt there was both a personal and professional relationship and that there was some loyalty earned in that. The escort may see it as strictly a professional relationship and he may feel that his time is better spent somewhere else. While it would be nice to hear that honest appraisal from someone, most people given the choice, would opt for the silence tells the whole story route.

I would bet most of us have not answered that call or e-mail from that one night stand knowing full well that the encounter was more meaningful to the other person.

I have been in business for 15 years and have a computerized system that tracks each person that has been seen over that time. Over 32000 people have been seen, some once or twice, other intermittently and still others for a long time and then dropping out of site. When the name of one of the people in that final group comes up, I sometimes wonder what happened, where they took their business. Was it something personal or did I fail on a professional basis.

 

Fact is people move on all the time and some do it graciously and some do it without a look back.

[Steven_Draker]

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[+ Tygerscent]

Interesting topic. Good input, honest and with all the naturality of human being delivered in it's perfect/imperfect form.

It's a strange predicament for Clients and Escorts.

1). Clients invest personally and financially. Hopefully Escorts provide a meaningful and fulfilling experience on multiple levels as well!

2). Clients finances and situations change with regard to hiring.

3). Escorts do not receive regular work benefits from Escorting. An envetual future for the same security that any person might need is invitable. Insurance, pay bills... Escorting is a limited profession... One must look beyond. Not in fault but, preservation and to survive. I think Clients at times forget this. Not in judgement of any kind but, new coming Escorts appear with constancy. Clients will hire new arrivals over ones they have had prior with some exception. The Escort still needs to live beyond Escorting. Clients may have a different need and look for younger, hotter, cheaper Escorts. It seems unreasonable for discourse or fault to be placed on him for doing so, providing for the security of his future.

But I see dissemination at times... Clients rate, judge, give points to the worth of an Escort... as a commodity... and not as a Human being, forgetful of the same way they would want to be treated by the Escort. The expectations are higher on the Escort... but the process of life can at times be forgotten and discounted. Escorts, some, can hold an equally unrealistic view that Clients owe them something. No... They are service providers. Both Client and Escort intensions are not always pure in reality... outstanding, graceful, undemanding. Sometimes some Escorts are opposite, some Clients as well.

4). The real trend seems to be... an Escort comes onto the arena, he may gain interest and notoriory for some time, Clients find new comers, the other Escorts begin to fall away. Clients hold a clearly present market and Escorts hold a temporary one.

5). Client dedication is important and should be rewarded. Keep in mind though that the needs are different. Escorts earn at least a portion of their living through Escorting. Discounts to everyone eventually leads to no income. It's not possible to survive tending to business that way.

If a Client has, in his own regular work, the situation where he works harder, advances in his capabilites and provides better service but is then paid less for it and okay with that compensation, I would be in question of his antics and wonder personally about his sanity. In the Escort business, there is a trend for advertising sites to charge the Escort more, the Clients to pay less upon hiring and the Escort still is Human, ages, needs to provide for himself and his Clients. Clients provide when they are able and desirous.

6). An Escort's future securities are limited by time and appeal. He needs to provide for himself beyond that. Any person would find that need to be financially and emotionally secure.

7). We provide a service, as Escorts, but not any less human in basic needs then the Client. We age, mature, provide on growing levels, our worth to the Client diminishes due to the nature of the industry.

8). A good Escort would be fully wanting and provisional in contributing to the growth and fulfilment of his Client. A mutually satisfactual time together is beneficial to most but not always the case. Clients have a different agenda at times, immediate and sometimes stricktly sexual...

9). My Greatest hope is that both will understand/contemplate that each, Client & Escort are inevitably Human in being... not perfect... sychronicity in time plays a role.

Clients age as well but Escorts also rely on Clients for financial importance and it is not the other way around. An Escort will most certainly understand this in most instances. His intent and purpose and character will inevitably come into play at a point in time in the furture and be challenged as new Escorts and Client opportunities come anew. The Client is the chooser... The Escort is the Chosen one.

10). Personally, I have experienced both Client dedication and lack there of... words of praise, offerings of reviews that never come... As Human beings there is a certain component of give and play but also character and integrity of word. The Client is really in the upper hand.. He can hire another... pay full rate or ask less, is granted reductions, but not inconsiderate of times that the Client may have short comings with an Escort. I understand this.

11). On the other hand... an Escort who relies on his income from Escorting and then has multiple cancelations due to illness on Client's part, weather/travel limitations, basic interest of him may drop as a borage of new up coming hot bois comes into play... expecting an Escort to be unhumanly beyond the realities of aging, need to support himself, wanting to survive, is a bit contraversial.

12). It seems that "Respect" on both sides, Client and Escort, wane according to their present Human wants and Needs at the time. Other considerations may fall into place later on upon afterthought.

13). Escorts see mutliple Clients. Good Escorts know how to engage with their Clients in a way that is unique to each private engaement, knowing the needs, desires of the Client and himself on all levels and not making each interplay an event of generic capital gain. Many Clients see multiple bois and then get frustrated or thought less of if their Escort sees another Client and makes it meaningful. That is a double standard to expect the Escort to provide a quality service to one personally and not take into regard that the rest of his Clientel expect the same. If it is all about the money and getting your groove on... blowing a load and moving on... okay.. I guess that happens and works in some cases... but people are three dimensional... their needs extend beyond that.... both on the Escort and Client sides. Is that not part of what we provide and should we be penilized for providing for others the three dimential experience.

Not everyone wants to hear about it.... though some guys do... but not to anticipate it and then diminish the Efforts or genuine care of the Escort , or the Escort/Client personal relations because of it is somehow leaves an amibuous predicament... if all expect and deserve deepest fulfillment but only one is deserving... who is most deserving to get it and why are others less deserving. In my mind, all are deserving to being Loved, treated with compassion, passion, working together on all levels, emotional, physical, psychological, spiritual... all of those things come up... each person unique and different.... our experiences are so as well.

14). I know there are a lot of Escorts out there who take on multiple clients. flash some ass and cock.... muscle... take the bux and run off to next client and then the bank. I know that there are clients who take on one boy, give him his money and open the door ten minutes later to the next. Not everyone is like that and that is not necessarily wrong or bad... But it is not unreal to think it does not happen. The Client hires more then once because he desires to experience with others and see the uniquness in the experience... ie... boi one is not exactly like boi two, three, twenty... Equally, Client one is not like Client two, three.... twenty...

15). Clients are more then an income. Given the complexity of of the relationaship and industry... never should an Escort consider the person interacting him to be less then another human being or himself, full of history, emotion, feeling, hopes, dreams, desires.

16). Mutaul care, regard, consideration, respect, fulfilment, honor, guidence...

17). Borak was so fucking funny~ LOL! Oh ya... expect randomness for that sense of charm in life?

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[Epigonos]

There are about as many reasons for this happening as there are reasons for guys choosing to escort. Though it is hard to generalize there is one thing I have come to believe regarding this matter.

As far as I'm concerned the really outstanding escorts, no matter how famous or successful, tend to grandfather in clients. By that I mean that these escorts continue to charge repeat clients the fee the client paid when he first started seeing the escort. This makes the escort's regular clients feel rewarded and does not cause a problem with new clients as they are not aware of the system. What it does require, on the part of the escort, is some damn good record keeping. Now some escorts aren't interested in rewarding regular clients in this manner and others are not capable of or cannot be bother with the record keeping work required to make the system work.

Personally these are my kind of guys and they are the ones I see over and over again.

[+ Tygerscent]

"As far as I'm concerned the really outstanding escorts, no matter how famous or successful, tend to grandfather in clients. By that I mean that these escorts continue to charge repeat clients the fee the client paid when he first started seeing the escort. This makes the escort's regular clients feel rewarded and does not cause a problem with new clients as they are not aware of the system."

 

Ummm... they are now???~ LOL~ I try to appropriate my "Thanks for hiring me" to my Clients in ways that are appropriate to them. And there are different approaches and ways to show my appreciation. On a generic level... I generally offer a "Holiday special to everyone" for overnights. Reduction of $100 from overnight fee and $200 reduction in weekend fee.

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