The Pines

[Guest Bigjamesnyc]

I'm heading to the Pines tomorrow night for the 4th...wondering if anyone knows an escort (looking for a top) who might be doing the same. Please let me know...Thanks! J

[SAdler]

Was tempted but my "NY Vacation" is shorter this trip -- good luck though! I'm sure you'll find SOMEone

[doctordoctor]

where are/is the Pines?....or is that an NYC thing?....thanks....we provincial Westerners don't know about all things NYC, sometimes

[Rod Hagen]

Fire Island splits into the GotItGoin'-ons and the notsomuches. In any given decade which is the Pines and which is The Grove changes. Generally, the "right" people wouldn't be caught dead in the Grove, unless they were en route to The Pines.

 

Damn Damn do I wish I could have experienced the Meat Rack.

[SAdler]

>Damn Damn do I wish I could have experienced the Meat Rack.

 

Before or after the days when there were grocery bags on branches filled with condoms? It's still there ... and if you missed it I'm sure reading Faggots by Kramer will take you on a trip down memory lane

[RockHard]

RE: Fire Island

 

Although Rod's post is full of negative stereotypes, don't expect any of this board's loud-mouths to pooh-pooh. It's just the way it is here (and in life).

 

I don't have any issues with Rod's words but I will add this:

 

Fire Island has gone through many dramatic changes in the last twenty-five years. Have a coffee with a longtime resident realtor (female) and you're in for some fascinating tales.

 

Back in my twink days, I have fond memories of hanging with the David and Calvin crowd, who both had glamorous, modern, beach-front properties in the Pines. I visited the Meat Rack, a woodsy path connecting the Pines to Cherry Grove, but never had sex there, which could help explain why I'm still alive. (I was always too shy to enjoy public sex.)

 

Real estate in the Pines has always been premium-priced compared to Cherry Grove, hence, the snob factor. Cherry Grove is the older community, dating back to the late 1800's, and offers a sharp architectural contrast to the modern style found in the Pines. Homes in the Pines tend to be newer, much larger and many come with pools. I believe the Pines offers larger boat docks, as well. Their Marina can accommodate yachts. The younger, wealthier gays bought/rented homes in The Pines, the older, less wealthy bought/rented in The Grove. However, neither place is inexpensive.

 

AIDS changed the scene in both places dramatically. Many home owners lost a ton of money and were forced to foreclose or sell at ridiculously low prices. In some circles, it was believed you could catch AIDS simply by visiting Fire Island. For several years, Fire Island seemed like a ghost town: the Meat Rack a death camp. The imaginary scent of death was everywhere.

 

Lesbians got smart and started investing heavily in The Grove. The homes in the Grove are more individualistic in a quaint, charming-cabin way. I think the lesbians transformed the Grove and deserve a ton a credit for making it the special place it is today. If you like women, the Grove has a relaxed conviviality that the Pines never had and probably never will. You see more children of gay parents on the Grove's beach.

 

The Pines has always been a cozy but uptight bastion for the gay-male rich who live for pretty. It was also the area of Fire Island that attracted the most wannabees: whether you wanted to be rich or considered pretty. Dinner parties in the Pines can be insufferable: the level of deep-rooted insecurity and airs-of-attitude inescapable. Even when gay men are dressed to the nines, wannabees are no fun unless they have brains and personality. The trouble is, if you possess both brains and personality, looks will not matter. A good history book will teach that lesson.

 

And then there are the drugs. It is said there are only two types of gay men in the Pines: those who wake up at 7 AM and those who wake up at 1 PM. Lately, I hear the late risers outnumber the early risers. For those, like me, who don't do drugs, empty beaches at 7 AM are pretty damn close to heaven but I prefer to surround myself with gay men in love with reality, at all hours of the day.

[Guest manrent1]

RE: Fire Island

 

I spent many years in the Pines and would agree with all that has been said already.

 

I would point out that this week there was a very good documentary on LOGO entitled, I believe, "When Ocean Meets Sky" - it was very well done and started with the history of Fire Island in the early 1900's through the 60's, the AIDS crisis, the go-go 90's until today.

 

Well worth watching as a interesting gay history lesson.

[+ Charlie]

RE: Fire Island

 

From RockHard's description, it sounds like the Grove has changed much more than the Pines, since my halcion summers there back in the 60s and 70s.

[+ LIguy]

RE: Fire Island

 

Some may find this website interesting: http://asthegroveturns.

net/.Its a kind of diary written by a long time resident of Cherry Grove and he writes a new entry every other week.

[Guest Jesse Dane]

Spending summers out on Fire Island is one of the things I miss most about living in NYC. It truly is a place unlike anywhere else. However it has changed it still will probably always remain one of my favorite places on earth.

[Mick NYC]

>I'm heading to the Pines tomorrow night for the

>4th...wondering if anyone knows an escort (looking for a top)

>who might be doing the same. Please let me know...Thanks! J

 

 

I will be in the FI Pines this weekend.

 

Mick NYC

917-653-8113

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/mick_nyc.html

[+ Charlie]

Now I really wish that I were there this weekend!