John "Roughscort" Orlando

[Mouth]

I was rather startled to read a negative review of John of Orlando, aka Roughscort. This guy has more than 70 positive reviews and yet "dollarsintexas" seems to think he's old, out-of-shape, etc. I wonder if his claims can possibly be true. John's previous review is three months earlier. This review sounds like it comes from some ageist jerk who didn't read his reviews carefully. I have never been with John, so there's no agenda here. Just wonder what set this guy off. I'm challenging the reviewer's credibility here, not the escort's.

[Guest TNT Ted]

Mouth, maybe your attitude is one of the reasons people don't submit many negative reviews. My recent experience with a very well-reviewed escort would never warrant the lavish compliments he normally gets. I wrote a review about the experience and almost submitted it, but decided that I'd have no credibility. And your post pretty much supports that decision.

 

My guess is that some guys, especially when meeting with a well-reviewed escort, lose sight of just what they're experiencing. They get so caught up in the fantasy of being with a highly sought-after guy that the reality gets blurred with the fantasy.

 

IMO, dollarsintexas probably called it like it was.

[JT Brooklyn]

TNT..Totally Agree.We all have different Expectations on how Working Guy's should Look and Act when "Workin It"!....

 

I know I am sounding "Redundant".. But sometimes the Fantasy is better then the Reality...Depending on how LARGE the Fantasy has become!

 

Which makes some of the "Working Guys" Fall from a Very High Pedestal, that maybe should not have been made so high by Too Flattering a Review! IMHO.. :P

[Guest HonkingGoose]

I haven't had any experience with him either, but I have had bad expereinces with other well-reviewed escorts that I haven't reported. I guess I should, but who wants the hassle that negative reviews generate.

[+ Charlie]

I try to write honest, balanced reviews, but whenever I have included anything even mildly negative within them, I have got flak on this site from the escorts. Often they focus on the one or two criticisms in a mostly positive review, and they can't seem to move past that point. Ironically, the most uniformly negative review I ever wrote drew the mildest response from the escort.

[Epigonos]

I wonder if the problem here doesn't indeed rest, as others have stated, with the expectation level of the reviewer. I tend to believe that those of us who hire on a "regualar" basis have a more realistic expectation level of what we want from an escort than those who hire infrequenly. I have hired dozens of escorts during the last four years and have yet to write a negative review. Does that lack of negative reviews mean that all of my experiences have been outstanding -- of course not -- I have had my share of mediocre experiences. Fortunately for me every guy that I have hired has delivered basically what he promised -- some, of course, have done so much better than others. None, however, have been so bad as to warrant a negative review.

NOW what I have never expected and still don't expect from an escort I hire is love, esctasy, or rapture. What I do expect and have generally found is a damn good physical experience. I have also found that with some of the guys I have hired we just didn't click. We BOTH tried and yet no sparks were there -- NOT their fault and NOT my fault. I am virtually certain that under different circumstances and possibly with a different client sparks would fly. Should I write a negative review of these guy -- certainly NOT in my opinion.

[+ Oliver]

Once again, a well reasoned and excellently expressed opinion, Epi!

 

>Fortunately for me every guy that I have hired has delivered

>basically what he promised -- some, of course, have done so

>much better than others. None, however, have been so bad as

>to warrant a negative review.<

 

This especially true for me once I found this site and all the listing sites (as well as recommendations from fellow Hoovillians) from which I glean as much information as possible before hiring. Call it my research, if you will.

[Guest TNT Ted]

"I have hired dozens of escorts during the last four years and have yet to write a negative review. Does that lack of negative reviews mean that all of my experiences have been outstanding -- of course not -- I have had my share of mediocre experiences."

 

So have you written your share of reviews stating the experience was mediocre?

 

"I have also found that with some of the guys I have hired we just didn't click. We BOTH tried and yet no sparks were there -- NOT their fault and NOT my fault. I am virtually certain that under different circumstances and possibly with a different client sparks would fly. Should I write a negative review of these guy -- certainly NOT in my opinion"

 

In those instances where you don't click, do you write any review, or do you just move on? A "No chemistry between us" review is not, IMO, negative. It's just stating facts. And I think it's good information. It reminds us all that we, indeed, do not always click with everyone.

[Rod Hagen]

>In those instances where you don't click, do you write any

>review, or do you just move on? A "No chemistry between us"

>review is not, IMO, negative. It's just stating facts. And I

>think it's good information. It reminds us all that we,

>indeed, do not always click with everyone.

 

 

I think those "didn't click" reviews do reflect badly. The implication isn't negative, however I believe people infer that the reviewer is simply being nice and that the escort in fact didn't deliver in some way.

 

That doesn't mean you shouldn't write the "no chemistry" reviews, but don't convince yourself that they aren't viewed, generally, as a "negative" review, albeit a "soft" negative.

[Quincy]

>A "No chemistry between us"

>review is not, IMO, negative. It's just stating facts. And I

>think it's good information. It reminds us all that we,

>indeed, do not always click with everyone.

 

If you're an adult, you shouldn't need to be reminded of that. Like Epignos, I have been hiring for years. If the chemistry ain't there, I don't see the point of a "no chemistry between us" review. How does that help the next client who could have awesome chemistry with him? It doesn't, it's useless. That's like stating that you have erectile dysfunction, how would that be useful information to the rest of us? It wouldn't.

[Epigonos]

TNT Ted you make an interesting point. NO I have NOT written mediocre or "didn't click" reviews and won't in the future. I am virtually certain that under different circustances and/or with a different client the experience might be totally different and likely very positive or even outstanding. Also I don't mean to imply I didn't derive some pleasure from those mediocre or "didn't click" experiences -- I did -- it just means they weren't worth writing about.

[Guest TNT Ted]

>>I don't see the point of a "no chemistry between

>us" review. How does that help the next client who could have

>awesome chemistry with him? It doesn't, it's useless. >>

 

Useless? I don't think so. "No chemistry" between an escort and a fat fifty year old tells a much different story than "no chemistry" between an escort and a buff thirty year old.

[Rod Hagen]

>Useless? I don't think so. "No chemistry" between an escort

>and a fat fifty year old tells a much different story than "no

>chemistry" between an escort and a buff thirty year old.

 

Even if that escort has numerous positive reviews from "fat fifty year olds"?

 

Thank you for proving my point. Shoppers view "No Chemistry" reviews as negative reviews even if that wasn't the intent.

 

 

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-Rod Hagen

[Quincy]

Chemistry's got nothing to do with looks. It's intangible. You can have great chemistry with an average looking man or no chemistry with a god. TNT, you just don't get it.

[Epigonos]

TNT Ted I would not attribute even one of the mediocre, "didn't click" experiences I have had to the fact that I am a trim, in shape "65" year old. You may, if you choose, accuse me of kidding myself but I really don't think so. I have always felt and still do that these experiences were mediocre or "didn't click" because one of us was distracted, didn't feel exactly up to par, or our personalities just didn't fit.

Now don't think for a minute that I delude myself into believing that if I tried to pick-up one of the guys I hire he would choose me over some buff 25 year old -- I DON'T. However, every guy I have hired, thus far, has been a PROFESSIONAL and even a PROFESSIONAL is entitled to a mediocre, "didn't click" day without being shot down for it. Also who is to say that the fault for the mediocre "didn't click" experience was his and not mine. I sincerely DO NOT believe that the responsibility for a positive experience rests entirely with the escort -- it is a two way street.

[Mouth]

Rod,

 

Agree completely. I've read some of the reponses to my original post with a bit of dismay. I questioned the veracity of Roughscort's review only because the reviewer said he was out of badly out of shape. A similar review appeared about Mike Grey about a year ago. It proved to be totally untrue. I think it legitimate to question someone who goes completely in a different direction from more than 70 other posts.

 

I do hire frequently. And when I read reviews of popular escorts here, I'm just as likely to hire because of so much approval. Sometimes the chemistry works and sometimes it doesn't. I recently had a more than satisfactory session with an escort who, as I intuited, wasn't as into the session as I was. This guy did everything but swing on chandalier to make sure I had a good time. I won't hire him again, but I did admire his professionalism. But when the escort has fulfilled his part of the deal, why because of a "lack of chemistry," write a negative review? Especially if he has lots of glowing notices that really do reflect his efforts. I'll be the next five guys fell in love with him. We can't lose sight of the human element at work here.

 

When an escort out and out lies to you, doesn't deliver on his promises, steals from you, or threatens you, they deserve a poor review. If there wasn't the chemistry you were expecting, but the escort delivered on what he promised, move on. I'm just asking people to play fair.

[KY_TOP]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

>Chemistry's got nothing to do with looks. It's intangible.

>You can have great chemistry with an average looking man or no

>chemistry with a god.

 

I'm not sure how a review that questions the guys looks ended up about chemistry. It is bad that people are too quick to jump on people about anything close to a negative review. But I will admit that other than comments on appearance/age the review says much of nothing.

 

I've probably written more reviews than anyone here and I still say: if you want to be a credible reviewer, be honest and tell the good, the bad and the ugly and don't let the escort dictate what you put in or leave out (like not listing their rates). I've also met alot more Hoovilians than I'd ever thought I'd meet. Always our #1 conversation is about escorts. I have been very surprised of the people that have had bad experiences with the celebrity escorts, whether they or we made them celebreties, but wouldn't dare write a review out of fear of being thrashed. As for John, never met him but my question would be how many of those many reviews are fake? From scanning thru them, I'd say many.

 

Have I been thrashed after writing a bad review, yes but mostly by the escort involved. I still survived and still have fun hiring. I have hired over 100 escorts, written over 85 reviews. I think 3 have been negative and 2 or 3 that I would say were mixed.

[Guest HonkingGoose]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

I have found your revies to be VERY helpful.

[Guest TNT Ted]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

Somehow we've gotten away from the intent of my original response to Epigonos' post. It was he, not I that brought up the subject of the client and escort not clicking. My post was to question why guys write only very good reviews or very bad reviews. It was not to discuss the issue of "no chemistry". (In fact, on reflection, I've changed my mind and agree with Rod Hagen that a ""no chemistry" review tends to have a negative connotation).

 

The point I was trying to make is that there are too many of us who are reluctant to submit lukewarm or negative reviews for whatever reason. Honking Goose went so far as to say "who wants the hassle that negative reviews generate?" Lack of chemistry is only one reason why an encounter is just mediocre. Shouldn't we be writing reviews about those encounters also? Wouldn't the escort review section benefit from those reviews? I've been trying to understand why there's a reluctance to write that type of review, and I suggested (in my initial response to Mouth) that criticizing well-known, popular escorts is too often not believable (hence Mouth's original post).

 

Just my thoughts ....... Maybe we should get back to finding some underwear for RockHard :-)

[IceFireWizard]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

Maybe you should quit hiring.

[Guest TNT Ted]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

>Maybe you should quit hiring.

 

 

Maybe. But I just started a few months ago.

[augustman]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

This subject came up about a year ago when discussing "why you do not post a review." I would say not to disagree with Mouth or agree with TNT specifically, but say this conversation is exactly why I will not post a mediocre review.

 

A year ago I suggested in a message center post, not even a regular review, how I had a below average outing with South America's pretty boy currently touring Mr Gaucho and I was ripped up one side and down the other. It wasn't a rotten outing I simply stated we did not connect. Rather than simply state how good their outing with Brouno was I was besieged with commentary both on and offline.

 

I have been hiring officially 3 years come July 20. I can think of at least two other escorts who do not have a single bad review, I have met and in one case I thought was way over priced and hyped and in the other I met on the day his dog died and to be honest he was having a hard time getting into it and was way late for the outing. Now in both of these cases the escort delivered but when finished I said cross them off my list, one has a good excuse the other I am sure I want my name run through the mud, so why bother I will not be believed.

 

I believe it is prefectly normal for an escort who has as many fabulous reviews as John to have a bad one once in a while, no escort is perfect all the time. If you can get through the anger the reviewer displayed and pick up the points of his concern when interviewing the escort you can ask those points specifically, it is called doing your homework. So I feel we should at least give the reviewer his due at face value and wait for a response from John, rather than us just dismissing it as irrelevant just because he has 70 positive reviews.

[KY_TOP]

To review or not to review, that is the question

 

>Maybe you should quit hiring.

 

Why would a comment about writing reviews, or lack of writing a review, cause you to suggest that he quit hiring?

[JT Brooklyn]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

TNT Totally Agree. I have never read a Review and thought that it would Guarantee anything. Other then Hopefully it was written as Subjectively as Possible. But we all do remember The Good Times and tend to Forget The Bad Ones or some Guy's wouldn't Make it past the First Dismal Hookup....

 

The "Photo" for most is the Hook and then it's taken from there. There are Many Great "Working Guy's" who donot want any reviews for the Written Comparison Factor.

[Quincy]

RE: John "Roughscort" Orlando

 

>TNT Totally Agree. I have never read a Review and thought

>that it would Guarantee anything

 

I agree but I don't think that's what TNT was saying. I think he thinks that a "no chemistry" review is somehow going to help him. But I don't see how it would help me to know that a certain escort didn't click with someone else. I want to know who's a clockwatcher, who couldn't get hard, who was high, who had pics that were 10 years old or more. I don't get any useful information from "he was hot, performed well, but I didn't see fireworks".