11 May Review of Carlos Morales

[+ Axiom2001]

It is always refreshing to read a well-written descriptive review of the moment/s. Today's most recent review of Carlos (NYC) written by another escort (who wrote the review)lends credence to what this forum and site are all about. From what TomI... wrote, I thought that I was in the room witnessing and subconsciously feeling what the men endured.

 

Thanks Tom, you have convinced me to put Carlos (and perhaps you, too) on my list of possible escorts to see when I do managed to make it to "The Big Apple." :9 :9 :9 - axiom -

[Quincy]

>I thought that I was in the room witnessing and

>subconsciously feeling what the men endured.

 

What did they endure? It sounds like they were having fun.

 

en·dure (n-dr, -dyr)

v. tr.

 

1. To carry on through, despite hardships

2. To bear with tolerance

3. To put up with something or somebody unpleasant

[whipped guy]

When I read the word "endure" I immediately thought the review would describe a BDSM scenario...especially since Tom Isern advertises experience in such a scene. While let down that it didn’t, I must agree that the review was particularly engaging and extremely well-written.

[SAdler]

>Today's most recent review of Carlos

>(NYC) written by another escort (who wrote the review)lends

>credence to what this forum and site are all about.

 

I had been pondering this question. I've always restrianed myself from reviewing fellow escorts (especially the ones I've worked with in threeways) because I felt that if I wasn't paying for the experience the review might hold less credibility. I figured that unless the client was writing a three-way review I figured it wasn't expected or welcome for me to do it.

 

Is that something people who read the reviews would like to see more of? I'd be happy to start reviewing escorts I've worked with. THEN perhaps you could get a load of my creative writing skills that people like to critique here hee hee.

[Rick Munroe]

>Is that something people who read the reviews would like to

>see more of? I'd be happy to start reviewing escorts I've

>worked with.

 

Me, too. Maybe I'll get to work on reviewing Derek Ross and...well, just Derek Ross.

[whipped guy]

Tom's review was an interesting take on things... However, I think clients should be doing the reviewing.

 

Already there has been some background chatter that the review could be related to the involved escorts "marketing departments". Still, I must admit it was refreshing to get a different point of view...

 

However, it might be better for such perspectives to be addressed in the message center.

[Steven_Draker]

An escort reviewing another escort (especially when he's not spending his own dime) is a delicate situation.

 

What the FAQ says about that ?

"Basically we accept reviews from any body that hires an escort. If itÕs an unusual circumstance (For example: an escort hiring another, or an agency owner hiring an escort) we expect you to be up front and mention that in the review. If you donÕt weÕll either decline the review or mark it as suspicious."

 

I'd rather see a review like the one published today than a fake one.

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.hotsexystud.com/uk

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/steven_draker_brussels.html

[+ deej]

>I'd rather see a review like the one

>published today than a fake one.

 

Same here. And the review exactly follows the requirements stated in the FAQ.

[whipped guy]

> a delicate situation.

 

Tom mentioned that he hired Carlos… However, did he not do it on behalf of the client, who I have a sneaking suspicion actually paid Carlos? So was not Tom really acting as the middle man for a client who was actually hiring two guys for a threesome?

 

Also, in a circumstance such as this, could it not be construed as the escort submitted the review simply for some additional free advertising? I think it would have been better if the client had submitted the review, of course it might not have been as well written! Still, as Steven says, it’s better than a bogus review.

 

Just some thoughts of how the present situation fits into the FAQ guidelines… which I take to imply an escort hiring another escort for his own benefit such as in a simple ‘one on one’ situation.

 

Still, as I said, it is an interesting take and since the review was accepted I would assume the powers that be felt comfortable with the state of affairs.

 

However, ultimately Steven said it best, it is "a delicate situation".

[sdgaypornfan]

Seemed to me that this review was "damage controll" in response to the less than positive 15 April Carlos Morales thread at Muscle Service. Have heard enough negative remarks about Carlos' escort services that I suspect his services are often not as stellar as reported in the 11 May review. Know for a fact that the time I hired him was not all that good. Then that could have been my fault or maybe just a bad night for Carlos

[Guest jeffOH]

It's a hot review and I don't doubt it's accuracy, but it's NOT a review written by the client who paid them. I've set up numerous 3-somes for clients over the years with at least a dozen other escorts and I've hired numerous escorts for my own entertainment. I've mentioned escorts with whom I worked and escorts I've hired in the Message Center, but I always felt it would be inappropriate for me--a working escort--to submit an official review to the review section.

[Guest PWIT]

and don't forget to include pictures! :9

[Guest TNT Ted]

>An escort reviewing another escort

>(especially when he's not spending his own dime) is a delicate

>situation.

 

 

I agree that it's a delicate situation. And the delicacy is that, no matter how well written or factual it may be, the review can easily be seen as self-serving to the escort who's writing it. Which is exactly what went through my mind as I read it.

 

IMO commentary on the quality of the goods should be written only by those who pay for the goods.

[Epigonos]

I certainly have no difficulty with an escort reviewing another escort who he has hired for his own exclusive pleasure. In that instance the hiring escort has become a client and is, in my opinion, definitely entitled to write a review.

Now if the escort is hiring a second escort for a three way with a client paying for both, to me that is a different matter. In that case the review can, as pointed out by other posters, become extremely self serving.

The bottom line here, as it is with all reviews on this site, is that I the reader must decide how much credence to place on the review. Do I beleive that such reviews should be banned -- absolutely not. As in this case they may be FUN to read.

[JT Brooklyn]

TNT..Totally agree on this one.

This might work in a "Client Review Section" for Whatever Reason, But other than Chit-Chat..really serves No Purpose? :P

[whipped guy]

The most interesting aspect of the review was the fact that the client was reviewed by the escort... and in a most favorable light.

 

Most escort reviews of clients come in the form of a rebuttal for an unfavorable review... so in that sense the review was a breath of fresh air and fun to read.

 

However, since it was not submitted to a website entitled 'Male4MaleClients' the review does not ultimately serve the best interests of this site.

[Steven_Draker]

> it is "a delicate situation"

 

Ok, guys, let's take a poll.

 

http://www.geocities.com/stevendraker/poll.jpg

 

[a href=http://freepollkit.com/index.php?browse=viewpoll&pollid=1001436]Click here[/a] to take part in the poll.

 

You can only vote once and the vote is anonymous.

Please note that this poll is not official and is only here for recreational purpose.

 

Steven Draker ~

[whipped guy]

>and is only here for recreational purpose.

 

Leave it to Steven to be well-versed in recreational matters!

[+ deej]

>However, since it was not submitted to a website entitled

>'Male4MaleClients' the review does not ultimately serve the

>best interests of this site.

 

Oh? And why is that your call?

 

I'm not trying to be confrontational here. I'm really not! I'm genuinely curious. When did you become the arbiter of all things appropriate for this site?

 

Did the review leave you with the impression that both escort and client had a good time? Isn't that the point of the reviews? Aren't they supposed to point out the things that worked and the things that didn't?

 

My point here is that all things are relative. There is no black and white. For every reason you can give to support your "not appropriate" point of view, someone else will chime in with an opposing view.

 

Read the review for what it is -- internet porn. ;-) If it works for you, great! If it doesn't, move on. :7

[whipped guy]

>Read the review for what it is -- internet porn. ;-) If it

>works for you, great! If it doesn't, move on. :7

 

I did read it... enjoyed reading it... said it was well-written... even made a humorous comment about it… noted that it gave a different perspective on things... but ultimately thought it was inappropriate... even though I noted that the "powers that be" at M4M thought otherwise... and ultimately agreed with Steven that is was a "delicate situation".

 

Let’s see the results of Steven’s poll (which was an excellent idea) and then as you say move on…

 

Now the last thing this site needs is another confrontation!! There have been too many silly "tit for tat" arguments of late...

 

I hate seeing all that wasted vitriol so I always skip over them!!!

 

Life is way too short...:-)

[Guest TNT Ted]

>

>Did the review leave you with the impression that both escort

>and client had a good time? Isn't that the point of the

>reviews? Aren't they supposed to point out the things that

>worked and the things that didn't?

>

 

Yes to the questions. Except that ......... the review was written by the escort and he has a vested interest in making it sound favorable. Which is enough reason for me to consider this practice inappropriate.

[Guest TNT Ted]

>

>Let’s see the results of Steven’s poll (which was an excellent

>idea) and then as you say move on…

>

 

What am I missing? What poll? Where?

[whipped guy]

>What am I missing? What poll? Where?

 

Check Steven Draker's post above (reply number 16)... and get out the vote!

[BigD]

I loved the idea of the poll. I voted.

Steven, you are an interesting person.

BigD

[LeeOz]

The best thing going for the YES vote is Tom's review itself. It is very well written, and the new perspective is interesting. As long as the review is identified as such, that is, an escort reviewing another escort during a 3-way with a client, then I have no problems with it.

 

Like everything else, this is subject to abuse. As mentioned, escorts can use this for cross promotion/advertising. But at least, in this forum, the clients, meaning us, can easily expose this. If you hire an escort based on another escort's review and are disappointed, your own bad review would put a stain on both escorts' reputations. This would be a deterent for escorts to put out false recommendations via reviews as it may affect their own reputations in the future.

 

Tom, you are very wise man. You created the buzz, but kept out of the discussion. A lot of posters in the past should have done the same.