NOW ON RENTBOY - 250 + 180 + 200 +

[camshaft9]

I'm happy to see that my comments stimulated so much dialogue.

I must say that a large part of my observations stemmed from

observing the newest feature on Rentboy - the available now option.

When I saw the same guys day after day posting their availability, it

made me wonder. If your goal is to make money, and you're not making any, then maybe you might be charging too much for your services.

When something I list on Ebay doesn't sell, I relist the item and

drop the price. Usually that works. I have money in my pocket and my

house is not as cluttered. I'm happy.

As for selling yourself too short, if you base your self-worth on the

amount of money that someone is willing to pay, then I think it's time to call it quits. Maybe selling yourself no longer works.

[DaninWA]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

I think the message

>he received was, at some level, that I didn't value my own

>services.

>

>Very interested in this thread...thanks to all posters!

>

>

>

Did you ask him why he lost interest?

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>Long-time regulars here will have seen most topics come and

>go. And I guess the human thing is to say "Oh, not that old

>thing again!" But the escort market is constantly changing,

>with lots of news guys coming and going, as escorts and

>clients.

 

But don't you find it a tad interesting that when topics of threeways, barebacking, or Dorothy's Ruby Slippers come up as a repeated topic, there is always someone available to research the problem and post links to the previous threads and the new thread dies?

 

Perhaps clients don't mind beating this dead horse because they simply just dont get it. It all comes down to respect and no matter WHAT is ever said, there is a certain type of person or client that just doesn't respect escorts and their rights to set rates where they want. This whole debate is just insane.

 

When working for City Hall in West Hollywoodand dealing with mayoral correspondance I received a letter from a elderly gentlemen who lived in Culver City. For those of you unfamiliar with Los Angeles layout, thats like 10 miles which in LA can amount to a 45 minute drive most parts of the day. The gentleman was upset about the 24 Hour Fitness' rates for gym membership and thought the prices they were charging him obscene despite his being a member.

 

Why am I bringing this up? Why on earth was someone bringing up fair market rates for gym membership to the MAYOR of a city? How are they related? It's just someone bitching. Someone who doesn't seem to grasp a picture of the entire situation. People charge what they want to for a NUMBER of things be it gym services or companionship. If you don't like the price, workout somewhere else.

 

There is NO reason to debate this ad nauseum insulting escorts and causing tension between them and clients. So fine, if the issue gets brought up again -- refer them to THIS thread or the Escort Fees thread. I guarantee that if reading the posts in either of these two threads doesn't take them a couple weeks and then they still don't get it ... they never will.

[Steven_Draker]

The subject regarding the escort fees has come up here zillion of times. The same people would usually say the same things.

 

The following is not from an escort point of view but simply as an observer: "complaining" that the rates are too high won't bring them down, Camshaft (yes, I reread your original posting). The symbol "+" means that there may be additional expenses (e.g. travel fee for an outcall).

 

Feel free to pay whatever you're comfortable with and have fun times !

 

Steven Draker ~

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/steven_draker_brussels.html

[Boston Guy]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

I understand that's your opinion. I happen to disagree.

 

Fortunately, the rest of us don't need your approval to discuss the rates set by escorts or, for that matter, any other topic. If the point of your post is convince people to stop discussing this matter here, then I fear you are destined to be disappointed over and over.

 

BG

[Guest empire]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>But don't you find it a tad interesting that when topics of

>threeways, barebacking, or Dorothy's Ruby Slippers come up as

>a repeated topic, there is always someone available to

>research the problem and post links to the previous threads

>and the new thread dies?

>

 

I doubt that your observation is correct. More often than not referral links are about hotels, strip clubs or gay sections of a specific city. However, why not take it upon yourself to post the referral link(s) you feel should have been added to this thread?

 

Meanwhile your attempt to silence those of us who find this thread of interest is very childish.

 

Just my thoughts.

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

Scott-what buisness of yours is it if this topic gets kicked around now and then?

I greatly value your participation here-but please do not attempt to stifle such conversations.

I remember there was a post of yours which grew into a pretty ugly spat regarding this same subject.So I,and most of the other reg's here are aware of your views on the subject.Am I hoping to change your(or any of the other high price fellas)pricing policy-of course not.

However-there might be some fella out there that is wondering why his buisness has dropped off or,perhaps,never really got off of the ground.

Those are the working boys who might just be interested in this-as well as us johns that maintain a certain price point is fair and that we have no intention of spending more.

As I told Steven-I am glad you get the big price you do-you deserve it.BUT you yourself scoff at paying Barny's prices when you can get the same clothes at overstock.com.

So let us continue kicking this old pony just for the sake of something to chat about.

In case you have not noticed there is a real slowdown here of new post-so IMO anything is welcome.

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>I doubt that your observation is correct. More often than not

>referral links are about hotels, strip clubs or gay sections

>of a specific city. However, why not take it upon yourself to

>post the referral link(s) you feel should have been added to

>this thread?

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=53206&mesg_id=53206&listing_type=search

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=30690&mesg_id=30690&listing_type=search

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=22171&mesg_id=22171&listing_type=search

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=8402&mesg_id=8402&listing_type=search

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=18072&mesg_id=18072&listing_type=search

 

>Meanwhile your attempt to silence those of us who find this

>thread of interest is very childish.

 

>Fortunately, the rest of us don't need your approval to discuss the >rates set by escorts or, for that matter, any other topic. If the >point of your post is convince people to stop discussing this >matter here, then I fear you are destined to be disappointed over >and over.

 

I never said I needed your approval. I'm merely pointing out that the subject has been discussed to the tune of nearly 150 replies in some topic. It's a waste of bandwith and people's patience to get involved in these flame wars that as you say "dissapoint" over and over. There will be no new epiphenies reached until both sides experience the situation from both sides of the chess board. Having hired escorts for threeways and being told that I was being given money so in essence *I* wass the one paying for them I feel I have experience on both sides enough to draw this conclusion. Again, it's about respect. Saying that escorts dont have a right for this or that proves an admission that you don't respect the other side.

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>However-there might be some fella out there that is wondering

>why his buisness has dropped off or,perhaps,never really got

>off of the ground.

 

That's fine. The point has been made in ONE post and again COULD have been made by simply copying and pasting links (which I have taken the time to do). But also you have to look at what working boy is going to take clients on this posting board quite so seriously. With the exception of maybe 5-10 (ten being generous) posters on here, my clients don't post on this message board indicating a severe difference in markets. If said working boy takes your advice, he's not necessarily taking the best advice to reach full potential.

 

>Those are the working boys who might just be interested in

>this-as well as us johns that maintain a certain price point

>is fair and that we have no intention of spending more.

 

I totally respect your desire to pay a certain price point but shaming other working boys into that price point isn't fair. It's up to THEM to drop their price; not you guys to tell them they're being obscene or unrealistic. If they feel they can drop their rates and be happy they'll do so, until then it really shouldn't be pushed by people that are only WILLING to spend certain amounts.

 

>As I told Steven-I am glad you get the big price you do-you

>deserve it.BUT you yourself scoff at paying Barny's prices

>when you can get the same clothes at overstock.com.

 

The DIFFERENCE (again see context above) is that by shopping at Overstock.com, Barney's definitely isn't feeling disrespected by me. Telling a human being they should expect to be paid less etc. etc. isn't respectful and that's simply a fact that I will only accept a rebuttal by an escort. Nobody else really has standing to say otherwise. And I still shop at Barney's if Overstock ran out of my item or doesn't have my size. That's a matter of convenience.

 

>So let us continue kicking this old pony just for the sake of

>something to chat about. In case you have not noticed there is a >real slowdown here of new post-so IMO anything is welcome.

 

That's just the hardest response at all to deal with. What's next, racial slurs and hurting people based on their past mental states and trauma for the sake of entertainment? Oh well, there was nothing else to do so we figured that would be a good topic to discuss. I don't think that's a good reason at all but if you believe it's true then you're playing right into the vulcher's nest.

[Boston Guy]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

It appears from your written words that you equate "respect" with "I agree with Scott on this subject." You are quite dismissive of other opinions, devaluing the experience of others in favor of your own. You ask for -- and very nearly demand -- respect but offer little in return for the opinions of others. In fact, you dismiss whole groups of people who don't agree with you by saying that they will "never get it" -- a construction that seems analogous to simply calling them stupid. Is it possible that there are many bright people who think that you are the one who simply "doesn't get it" when it comes to this subject?

 

You say that most of your market doesn't post on these forums but you continue to do so. You say that this topic has been discussed ad nauseum yet you continue to post to this thread, as you have posted to other, similar threads. It seems this subject touches quite a nerve with you.

 

It's interesting, too, how you equate the subject of rates with the subject of respect. One draws the conclusion that they are much the same in your mind. If true, that's another area in which we disagree.

 

BG

[Guest empire]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

If I was an escort and had real business sense I would be reading this thread and the related threads very carefully. It would be important to me to understand my current and potential clients views on financial matters. I would attempt to learn not try to silence, insult or suffocate discussion.

 

Obviously, I'm not an escort. But escorting is a business and any successful or soon-to-be successful businessman would take away a wealth of information from a thread like this.

 

It's important to create raving fans. The most successful people in the business world do just that.

 

Any escort or business person who isn't familiar with this concept should buy the book, Raving Fans, to learn the pinnacle of customer service.

 

Communication skills are so important in our universe.

[Guest alanm]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

Is it possible that there are many bright people who

>think that you are the one who simply "doesn't get it" when it

>comes to this subject?

 

Opinions are being exchanged here, not facts.

 

You have decided that those who agree with you are "bright."

 

There's no right or wrong answer to the subject of escort fees.

[Boston Guy]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>You have decided that those who agree with you are "bright."

>

 

No.

 

Scott has commented that there are people who "just don't get it". He's gone so far as to say that if they read two threads and "don't get it" then they "never will". I read those comments as a put-down of anyone who doesn't agree with him. I further understand them to be dismissive of those people in a pseudo-intellectual fashion, i.e. "they're too stupid to get it."

 

My question to him, in all earnestness, was "Is it possible that there are many bright people who think that you are the one who simply 'doesn't get it' when it comes to this subject?" I was wondering if he had simply overlooked or purposefully dismissed the possibility that bright people might disagree with him on this subject and view him as the one who "doesn't get it." I ask this because he comes across to me as someone quite dismissive of anyone he thinks isn't as bright as himself.

 

I did not say that people who agreed with me are bright, as you claim.

 

BG

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

Scott,If you are tying respect into how much you are being paid you are looking for some self esteem problems later on in life.

It has nothing to do with "shaming"an escort.I call the numberor I approach the fella,I state what I am looking for,I describe myself,and(if they have not hung up the phone or run from the room in shock/disgust :+ )I ask them if a certain amount of money will "help them out"=and that is exactly how I state it,no "I only pay 456 centavos-no more"no haglling,no apologies nor explanations on my part.It is up to the other fella to say"thats cool-when and where do you want to meet"or "sorry I don't think I can do that for that"no "shaming"involved.It either works-or it does not.

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

". Having hired escorts for threeways and being told that I was being given money so in essence *I* wass the one paying for them I feel I have experience on both sides enough to draw this conclusion. Again, it's about respect. Saying that escorts dont have a right for this or that proves an admission that you don't respect the other side."

Sorry,you were using someone elses money-not your own.So you might have been making the arrangements but there is no way you can aquait that from someone using their own money.

And you keep coming back to this respect stuff,you are using it a a club to beat those of us that are not willing to spend more than what we think is a fair price with-It really does not work here Scott and I think it is kind of a cheap trick(hee hee-pardon the pun ) on your part.Has anyone talked about disrespecting an escort here?Only you.

[Guest empire]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>I totally respect your desire to pay a certain price point but

>shaming other working boys into that price point isn't fair.

>It's up to THEM to drop their price; not you guys to tell them

>they're being obscene or unrealistic.

 

I've been trying to follow this thread closely. I might have missed a sentence or two however, I have not read one reply where a client (in this thread) has told an escort to, "drop their price." I have not read one reply (in this thread) that called an escort, "obscene or unrealistic." What I continue to read over and over by my peers is that higher fees don't equal a better escort experience. This is fact based on my and other clients experiences who hire escorts.

 

Aside from some of your remarks and innuendo the conversation in this thread has been quite civil for the most part. Aside from two escorts posting their thoughts plus your multiple responses the discussion has been amongst clients. You act as if we don't have a right or the intellect to have a civil conversation about escort rates.

 

As I commented previously, in this thread, a good escort will learn from our discussion not try to suffocate it. If you don't feel you'll learn anything that isn't a problem for me, but many escorts including those newer to the market will take some valuable information from this thread.

 

Remember without clients (customers) you have no business.

[jackhammer91406]

A Word to the wise

 

If I was presumptuous enough to try and give advice to any escorts reading this (or any of the scores of previous threads on this subject) it would be to not take the bait. I have predicted this discussion would become less civil and it's not far off at this point.

 

I notice that some of the respondents to this thread have just recently activated their handles. Notice I did not say have just recently joined. I suspect there may be some alumna in different robes.

 

A wise businessman would simply read the opinions here and make note of them and not be tempted to respond with another point of view to explain their rate policy. WHY? because an escort can only lose in this discussion and that may be some respondents exact purpose here. I dunno. but having seen so many of these threads about pricing go south, it can't be long before there are a lot of hurt feelings.

 

I have met several of the escorts who have responded to this thread and they are great guys. I would hate to see them baited into saying anything that would lessen their options.

 

Anyway, just my thoughts, FWIW.

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>Sorry,you were using someone elses money-not your own.So you

>might have been making the arrangements but there is no way

>you can aquait that from someone using their own money.

 

Big Guy ... I'm equating it with using my own money because I was being given a budget for the weekend in that I was paid in advance for the weekend and that any threeways to be done would come out of my wallet. Sorry if I didn't explain that better but I totally admit it was my fault for not clarifying.

 

>And you keep coming back to this respect stuff,you are using

>it a a club to beat those of us that are not willing to spend

>more than what we think is a fair price with-It really does

>not work here Scott and I think it is kind of a cheap

>trick(hee hee-pardon the pun ) on your part.Has anyone talked

>about disrespecting an escort here?Only you.

 

In this case you're misunderstanding what I'm referring to as respectful and disrespectful. What I'm talking about isn't the generality of fair vs. unfair pricing. I'm talking about you EXPECTING an escort to drop their rates because you feel it's not worth paying and the like. So to use the word respect in the CONTEXT I mean; If you don't like an escort's rate then you don't have to DISRESPECT them by offering them less money and calling it "fair." In this exchange, you are not the one deciding what is fair. So again, read into the CONTEXT of the situation and you'll find what I am implying by disrespect.

[SAdler]

RE: A Word to the wise

 

Thoughts DEFINITELY to be taken into consideration. It's not really taking the bait if opinions are simply reiterated and the main point for some is that those present are not their clientele. Some of us are just more likely to put ourselves out there to ensure an opinion doesn't get lost in the process.

 

But yes, this thread does appear to be turning into it's parent thread from last year rather quickly. Isn't that funny. Nothing ventured nothing gained as the saying goes.

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>It has nothing to do with "shaming"an escort.I call the

>numberor I approach the fella,I state what I am looking for,I

>describe myself,and(if they have not hung up the phone or run

>from the room in shock/disgust :+ )I ask them if a certain

>amount of money will "help them out"=and that is exactly how I

>state it,no "I only pay 456 centavos-no more"no haglling,no

>apologies nor explanations on my part.It is up to the other

>fella to say"thats cool-when and where do you want to meet"or

>"sorry I don't think I can do that for that"no

>"shaming"involved.It either works-or it does not.

 

Well you skipped a step in your description above – where the escort tells you what their rate is. And this is what I’m talking about. I’m getting déjà vu writing this but from an escort point of view, this is how it would best be handled:

 

Client: What amount would help you out?

Escort: $X

Client: Sorry that’s out of my price range.

 

At THIS point it is up to the escort to reply with … well I could do it for this much or not to reply at all. This way nobody is offended or insulted and everyone leaves the inquiry happy. LIKEWISE an escort doesn’t feel like they’ve been COMPELLED to do it for cheaper. I can tell you that if I felt compelled or cheapened in an encounter, nobody would be having fun especially the client.

 

>I've been trying to follow this thread closely. I might have

>missed a sentence or two however, I have not read one reply

>where a client (in this thread) has told an escort to, "drop

>their price."

 

Context, read intent.

 

>I have not read one reply (in this thread) that

>called an escort, "obscene or unrealistic."

 

Again. Implications when people discuss high rates that they can’t fathom or understand. Sorry if the semantics don’t provide for the exact word usage of obscene or unrealistic but the implications can be found.

 

>What I continue to

>read over and over by my peers is that higher fees don't equal

>a better escort experience. This is fact based on my and other

>clients experiences who hire escorts.

 

Precisely. Hire what you can afford and makes you happy. Don’t assume that in ALL cases higher rates make for a less satisfying experience thus desiring to pay less. I do love how you managed to create “fact” from opinion here. Excellent use of prose

 

>Aside from some of your remarks and innuendo the conversation

>in this thread has been quite civil for the most part. Aside

>from two escorts posting their thoughts plus your multiple

>responses the discussion has been amongst clients. You act as

>if we don't have a right or the intellect to have a civil

>conversation about escort rates.

 

I think I’ve remained pretty civil and would offer my apologies to anyone who felt otherwise. I’m simply stating that I am restating ideas that have already been beaten to death. You are more than welcome to have civil conversation about rates as I am obviously entitled to my opinion and the ability to voice it here as well.

 

>As I commented previously, in this thread, a good escort will

>learn from our discussion not try to suffocate it. If you

>don't feel you'll learn anything that isn't a problem for me,

>but many escorts including those newer to the market will take

>some valuable information from this thread.

 

Ahh yes but I turn this around to you. Has it EVER occurred to you that listening to escorts describing their feelings and interpretations of a situation might help better your experiences? Like the example I provided above. Did it occur to you that perhaps by taking something like that into consideration you could become a better client? Just a thought.

 

>Remember without clients (customers) you have no business.

 

True. But remember that my clients tend to agree with me on my thoughts and politics. Otherwise they wouldn’t be hiring me. It truly is a vicious circle you have but the point is that if anything the bulk of my inquiry emails come to me off of this site as I only advertise here and on MER. I must be doing something right.

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

SA wrote"

Well you skipped a step in your description above – where the escort tells you what their rate is. And this is what I’m talking about. I’m getting déjà vu writing this but from an escort point of view, this is how it would best be handled:

 

Client: What amount would help you out?

Escort: $X

Client: Sorry that’s out of my price range.

 

At THIS point it is up to the escort to reply with … well I could do it for this much or not to reply at all. This way nobody is offended or insulted and everyone leaves the inquiry happy. LIKEWISE an escort doesn’t feel like they’ve been COMPELLED to do it for cheaper. I can tell you that if I felt compelled or cheapened in an encounter, nobody would be having fun"

But you see Scott-I did not skip a step.That is how I handle my hiring-by telling the fella upfront what I am willing to pay in a repectful way that offers both of us a way out(with some dignity)if the sum I mention is not to the 'scorts liking.

And if he counters with something else,well it is in my court to say yes or no.That is what respecting people you hire for sex is all about-knowing how to phrase things like this so as to cause no shame.I have been at this for a long time,and i have played with many levels of sex workers-from peep show hangarounds to Buisness men who just wanted the thrill of hooking(some kind of fantasy I guess-but he was gorgeous)to big name porn stars with many of the usual types thrown in.

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

BG,

 

I genuinely do apologize if you misinterpreted any of my words or intents but your perception of my reply is simply inaccurate. Granted it takes two to tango and I take my fair share of blame in providing the grounds for your misinterpretation so I’m happy to clarify:

 

>It appears from your written words that you equate "respect"

>with "I agree with Scott on this subject."

 

Not at all. My discussion of respect is in DIRECT reference to how escorts and clients treat each other from the point of inquiry all the way through payment. When I refer to disrespect I am referring to the mutual feelings and attitudes that arise from an encounter. If you see below you’ll see an example to the respect of which I’m discussing.

 

>You are quite

>dismissive of other opinions, devaluing the experience of

>others in favor of your own.

 

I disagree. Disrespecting opinions is taking the road of some posters on here making obscene comments and rude remarks. In this current forum we are merely having a debate over the issue. It appears we don’t agree. I’m merely giving you examples of why I think you’re incorrect from first hand escorting experience. The gist of my posts is to say that until you’ve been there – you can’t really know what I mean.

 

>You ask for -- and very nearly

>demand -- respect but offer little in return for the opinions

>of others. In fact, you dismiss whole groups of people who

>don't agree with you by saying that they will "never get it"

>-- a construction that seems analogous to simply calling them

>stupid.

 

Again. Hardly. I’m saying is that they wont get it and probably never will because of the intense understanding necessary by being an escort. The point is that it has been explained over and over again but no matter how many times it is explained there is no way of getting someone who hasn’t escorted to understand an escort’s point of view.

 

>Is it possible that there are many bright people who

>think that you are the one who simply "doesn't get it" when it

>comes to this subject?

 

I’d find it hard to understand why I don’t get “it” when the “it” I am referring to is something that you among many consider “my” theory. Or perhaps I’m misunderstanding you there? I think Alan pointed it out well though … are you saying that the only people who are bright are those that agree with you? Who brought up the subject of intelligence? Aren’t you being just slightly hypocritical here?

 

>You say that most of your market doesn't post on these forums

>but you continue to do so. You say that this topic has been

>discussed ad nauseum yet you continue to post to this thread,

>as you have posted to other, similar threads. It seems this

>subject touches quite a nerve with you.

 

I post to speak up for people who are afraid to voice their opinions because this forum IS their market. Unpopular opinions get people screwed. I recently learned that someone might not have hired me because they didn’t know my last “name” till after the fact. Granted now that they know their opinion has changed DRASTICALLY but regardless if I relied on the clientele in this message board I could NEVER voice my opinions. I’d be too afraid of the repercussions. Thus, since I know that those on the boards that do hire me understand me for who I am, I feel comfortable in speaking out for those who are afraid to (and email me as such).

 

I post to this thread despite its repetitive nature because certain things have to be said. And until all aspects of the debate are exhausted I feel the need to speak for those who email me telling me as much. Randomly you’ll find an opinion in my writing that I may share but isn’t thought of independently by me … someone needs to voice them.

 

The subject does touch a nerve with me only because of how the subject tends to be synonymous with me. I’ve accepted that and taken my assignment as escort fees poster boy. It’s a dirty job but somebody willing to has to do it.

 

>It's interesting, too, how you equate the subject of rates

>with the subject of respect. One draws the conclusion that

>they are much the same in your mind.

 

Again. Context. The subject of rates and respect fall into similar loci in my mind but I don’t see them as identical entities. Look at how I group them together in terms of exchange between client and escort to see what I mean.

 

>If true, that's another

>area in which we disagree.

 

Put another mark on the tally

[bigguyinpasadena]

RE: A Word to the wise

 

Scott-while I am debating you here,so far I belive I have been civil.

We can disagree on points like this without considering the other party hostile right?

[SAdler]

RE: Supply and Demand

 

>But you see Scott-I did not skip a step.That is how I handle

>my hiring-by telling the fella upfront what I am willing to

>pay in a repectful way that offers both of us a way out(with

>some dignity)if the sum I mention is not to the 'scorts

>liking.

 

My bad. I misread your original post. Where you wrote "Would this amount help you out," I read "How much would help you out."

 

Again. I dont agree with the method but you can go with what has apparently worked for you. All I'm saying is that if someone has a POSTED RATE it is NOT up to you to insist on a negotiation.

 

See the differentiation I have made between your hypothetical and mine? In mine we're talking about an escort with a posted rate or havign already asked for a rate established by the escort. In yours you are meeting someone and asking if "x amount" is sufficient.

[SAdler]

RE: A Word to the wise

 

LOL TOTALLY

 

::big bigguy bear hug::

 

Your move