ATHAN - LOS ANGELES

[VaHawk]

Can't speak for Lucky, only myself. I thought your posting was okay, until you JUST HAD to refer to BN, and at that point all that was good about your posting, was flushed right down the old commode.

[VaHawk]

And the VULTURES circle and squawk! And the Hawk is nasty, rude, vile, etc., etc.???? :7

 

Take this stinking carrion over to that "other site", and wtf? maybe a Buzzard will join in on picking the carcass??

[VaHawk]

RE: SCARY

 

>The HIV status of escorts and their policies on safesex have

>always been downplayed on this site for whatever reason. In

>the basic data given at the top of each review we learn about

>their orientation (top, bottom or versatile), whether they

>smoke or drink or tolerate same, etc, etc. But on the one

>issue which is perhaps most germane to most posters on this

>board, if I am not mistaken, not a word is mentioned.

 

Just mo, but I think you are, if not mistaken, then naive! You could say the same about the clients hiring/reviewing! I'd bet there are ten times as many HIV+ clients hiring as there are HIV+ escorts selling, and I'd wager that very, very, very few of those clients reveal their HIV status, so why should an escort???

 

Besides, how in the HELL??? would the administrators/owners of this site confirm that an escort is HIV+, just because some reviewer stated so in a review? Last time I looked, medical records are private! As such, couldn't posting that an escort is HIV+, from a reviewer with no access to those records, leave this site open to a very nasty lawsuit?

 

>Some reviewers in passing will comment on the approach of an

>individual escort ("he played very safe", "he came in his

>condom", etc) but with many you would have no way of knowing

>from the contents of the reviews. Maybe that's the way most

>people want it. The less said, the better. :-(

 

Well, that is life! If you want to play the game, then you have to be prepared to lose! Despite the best intentions of this site, this site can give NO GUARANTEES about the safety factor of the escorts and/or clients, or the encounters themselves, just like there are NO GUARANTEES in any other facet of life!

 

As such, if you play with fire by engaging in unsafe sexual practices, and you wind up getting burned, so what?, as no one made you play! :-(

[+ glutes]

I don't think Lucky's post was directed at Empire, now was it Hawkster?

[Rick Munroe]

>Lucky I'm puzzled why you're addressing this to me as others

>also seem to be. I have received several messages alerting me

>to your very queer post.

 

Empire, I think Lucky was agreeing with your post...but then again, with Lucky, one can never be sure of his intentions (just kidding).

[VaHawk]

>I don't think Lucky's post was directed at Empire, now was it

>Hawkster?

 

Yeah, now that you mention it, I can see that could be the case, but on first browsing thru it seemed that way, just as Empire's did to many others, ergo, Empire's complaint about the email.

 

This is way too volatile of a subject on a board that is way too volatile, for posts written in an amibiguous manner.

[SAdler]

>Since when?!?!? Most "well known gay websites" get mentioned

>here from time to time. Adam4adam shows up in exactly five

>threads, including this one, in the message center archives.

 

Pookie last I checked ManHunt hasn't been mentioned much more often. They're comparable web sites. If anything A4A is a MORE popular choice because it is FREE and has working boy ads.

 

>A profile nobody can see unless they join adam4adam.com. Works

>out well for adam4adam, eh?

 

Guess again babe. If you're too lazy to JOIN A4A and set up a free account which involves giving them an email and coming up with an ID (I don't think Deej is taken) then you can just use their basic search function and find the profile.

 

>I'm more surprised by Athan topping than anything.

 

THAT I agree with. In respect to the wishes that I have discussed with Athan I'm not going to go into too much on this topic on his behalf. He wants this to die and if I thought that my comment would

prevent that I wouldn't say it so here goes:

 

Athan is an awesome and sweet person who would never intentionlly lie to anyone simply in order to make a buck. In my experiences and from what I've been told by any client he's ever come up with, he is always upfront and honest in all his dealing and always a pleasure.

 

The fact that this poster appears out of nowhere claiming to be a lurker who has never heard of BN sets off my bullshit meter almost as much as "LoneStar" from the days of yore. If there's a vendetta at play, it has to end. Simple as that.

[+ glutes]

>This is way too volatile of a subject on a board that is way

>too volatile, for posts written in an amibiguous manner.

 

Ambiguous......... or just too clever?

You always defend Bennie when he 'outs' someone, why not Bushie? We soo miss you in the Politic and War(s) forum Hawkster.

[+ deej]

I suspect we're more in agreement than not.

 

>Pookie last I checked ManHunt hasn't been mentioned much more

>often.

 

Right ... a hookup site, NOT an escort site. Thanks for making my point for me. ;-) How many of the popular escort sites show up only 5 times in 5 years?

 

>Guess again babe.

> ... JOIN A4A and set up a free account

 

What's that you say? You have to JOIN and set up an account? Isn't that what I said? ;-)

 

>>I'm more surprised by Athan topping than anything.

>

>THAT I agree with.

 

Well, anyone who knows him would.

 

>Athan is an awesome and sweet person who would never

>intentionlly lie to anyone simply in order to make a buck. In

>my experiences and from what I've been told by any client he's

>ever come up with, he is always upfront and honest in all his

>dealing and always a pleasure.

 

Athan is indeed a sweetheart. Here we agree 100%. I greatly enjoyed our time together. I wished him the very best (and meant it) when he retired, and again when he returned, and I still wish him the very best life has to offer. He's a VERY special guy in many ways!

 

It's unfortunate this thread happened. x(

[Guest empire]

If you or anyone else in this thread doesn't think the original author is Ben or a companion of his you're all brain dead.

 

Ben has been mentioning this west coast, dark haired escort (who isn't you or Bobby) on his blog for weeks. Ben has sent me an email response STATING that the escort he had been referring to is Athan. I will produce that email, including headers to daddy if he requests me to do so to back up my claim above.

 

The shame is that one person has taken it upon himself to "out" an escort who has been openly POZ for just under a year now.

 

I've hired Athan and in his first reply to me he told me of his status. Why a certain person wanted to make this information so public appears to be a personal agenda for him.

 

Why this thread was allowed to stand is a little puzzling since most of these types of threads are deleted or immediately locked.

 

Just my thoughts.

[SAdler]

>Right ... a hookup site, NOT an escort site. Thanks for making

>my point for me. ;-) How many of the popular escort sites show

>up only 5 times in 5 years?

 

Y'know dear -- you have a funny way of twisting things out of context. My initial reply was in the context of YOUR EXCLAMATORY about "well known gay sites." We weren't talking about just escort sites here. It got brought up and you have to criticize it just because it's outside the norm. It's stuff like that which prevents people from posting new information anymore.

 

>What's that you say? You have to JOIN and set up an account?

>Isn't that what I said? ;-)

 

No, if you BOTHERED to read (or paste the rest of my comment) you can look up any screen name you want without an account which you would know if you bothered to go one step further Regardless, how can anyone be so lazy as to not type three little words. Your name and password twice.

 

>It's unfortunate this thread happened. x(

 

Yeah it sucks. But no need to be bitchy so I withdraw my attitude in the aforementioned words and just hope that my point about the website got across. Where the hell are my donuts I ordered an hour ago! I think I have PWPS .... Post White Party Syndrome.

 

I WANT MY DONUTS DAMNIT!

[Rick Munroe]

>Where the hell are my

>donuts I ordered an hour ago!

 

They deliver donuts in LA?? I really need to rethink this whole "I'm gonna live in NYC forever" thing. I mean, I don't eat donuts, but I just like the idea that they're there for the delivering if I so desire. :9 (Is it Pink Dot or an actual donut shop?)

[Luv2play]

RE: SCARY

 

I can assure you I am not a naive individual. I have been around the block and then some. But what I was trying to point out that what the HooBoy site does NOT provide for in the heading of each review is a section for clients to fill in (or not at their discretion) comments on the safe sex practices of the escort.

 

Many escort sites provide for this, Rentboy, for instance. The escorts are not obliged to fill in anything, the clients may not even look at the stats section, BUT, the safe sex issue is addressed by the site managers and everyone is left to proceed from there.

 

At HooBoy's review section, there is NO provision for this sort of information. There are a few escorts who provide their HIV positive status in the escort verification part. This is laudatory on their part. Many, most others, are silent on the issue. I know that many would not disclose their positive status even if a section were there that enabled them to do so. Rentboy has a solution for that: escorts just put in "prefer not to say". That's fine. I can deal with that as I always phone an escort and discuss many things, safe sex practices included, before I decide to engage.

[Guest alanm]

"Ben has been mentioning this west coast, dark haired escort (who isn't you or Bobby) on his blog for weeks. Ben has sent me an email response STATING that the escort he had been referring to is Athan."

 

I do not much like Ben or his mindless guard dog supporters, for whom he can do no wrong. But revealing the content of private e-mails seems like a desparate move to link Ben to the OP. I have not read anything that

proves that Ben had anything to do with the OP's message. And yes feel free to call me naive.

 

The real message should be to wish Athan well. I don't know Athan, but anyone who was Kristian's partner for so long must be a real good guy.

[Guest empire]

>>What's that you say? You have to JOIN and set up an account?

>>Isn't that what I said? ;-)

>

>No, if you BOTHERED to read (or paste the rest of my comment)

>you can look up any screen name you want without an account

 

That is incorrect information. You MUST create an account to use the search function on adam4adam.com. In fact, there are only 5 options on the home page. They are to login, create an account, or click on one of the three banner ads. At the very bottom of the page there are the usual disclosure links.

[SAdler]

http://www.adam4adam.com/profile?profile_id=183673

 

For example .... do you need to be logged in to see that? Same concept. I forgot how to get there but I didn't even JOIN the site till I was content that I liked the boys on there

[SAdler]

LOL no such luck. I'm looking for a place to deliver Krispy Kremes but until then Entenmann's will have to do for those midnight cravings.

 

http://www.yummy.com .... 30 minute delivery of anything and everything.

[bigguyinpasadena]

SA wrote"www.yummy.com .... 30 minute delivery of anything and everything."and I have seen some of the Yummy delivery boys heading out of the store on SMB and La Brea(oh!The memories I have of that corner!:9 )And some of them are pretty yummy!

[bigguyinpasadena]

So I just tool a looksee-I guess I joined at one point in the past.It is a lot of info to join just to have a look around,but unlike manhunt it is free.

But I could not figure out how to single out the working boys?

[Guest empire]

>http://www.adam4adam.com/profile?profile_id=18367

>

>For example .... do you need to be logged in to see that?

>Same concept. I forgot how to get there but I didn't even

>JOIN the site till I was content that I liked the boys on

>there

 

Yes I can view direct links. I fail to see how this supports your twice claim that anyone can use the SEARCH function without being a member. In fact, even having access to conet using your link non-members cannot use the search engine. On attempt a non-member is taken to the login page Do your posts ever contain fact or are they always based on assumption? In addition, Ben did not provide a direct link to Athan's profile in his post to even support the claim.

 

 

Addendum: I'm glad that you continue to respect your good friend, Athan, wishes by allowing this thread to die with your multiple posts. Isn't the saying something like, with friends like you who needs ...?

 

Just my thoughts.

[Guest 8mile]

and they're horrible. no reason at all, at all for them.

[LovesYng]

>hey guys-

> i apologize for offending anyone if they felt so. first, i

>have no clue who benjamin nichols is personally, so lets get

>that out of the way.

>

>by no means did i come on here to set up a mere attack on

>athan. i am very confused as to why this is sought as an

>attack. adam4adam is a VERY well known gay website in the gay

>world and it too has it's own "pro" section. Athan makes it

>VERY clear in his profile that he is HIV+, loves bareback,

>hates condoms and takes a load anywhere he can. Also he

>states, keep your "bitching to yourself."

>that tells me, he doesn't care. He himself has let the public

>know, not me. So it's ok to be honest about yourself on one

>sight, but on here it is a big secret sin??

>

>I merely stated that I was surprised. A friend of mine who

>has hired Athan (and was the one who referred him to me) had

>no clue athan was hiv+. My friend bottomed for athan and you

>know what, condoms break. If anything is learned out of this

>for me is to AS ALWAYS be very selective.

>

>I again apologize for offending anyone. I will keep my mouth

>shut. I was a member of this sight years ago, drifted away

>and returned. I always felt it was helpful and that this was

>an open discussion form. I guess I will use Adam4Adam and

>other websites as my resources.

>

 

Your so full of shit, you have always loved doing the personal attacks on people. It's not the mouth we want to you shut up. Lay off the "Meth" and maybe you will remember what your real name is

 

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[+ Lucky]

RE: LovesNsty

 

A pretty nasty post for someone who has the word "loves" in his handle. Actually, it is a pretty nasty comment period!

[LovesYng]

RE: LovesNsty

 

Then don't read it.

[Barry]

I think there's little of value left to be said on this subject so I'm locking the thread.

 

Barry