SA - People PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE POINT

[Guest 2004]

I continue to read posts that claim SA is amazing in bed, friendly, sexy looking, intelligent, and all around good guy. I don't know of anyone who really has ever disagreed with any of these statements. Yet those who defend him can only talk about these issues and not the real problem with him.

 

THE ACTUAL POINT WE (THOSE WHO SEE THE TRUTH) ARE MAKING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ABOVE AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT FOLLOWS

 

SA is a liar, he is deceptive and has no integirty. Furthermore, placed an unknown number of men at risk when he was escorting at age 17. He had no regard for any potential legal issues to these men at all.

 

So next time you're sticking your cock in one of hisholes keep the above in mind. Remember he has YOUR personal information, what might he do with it in the furture?

 

---/

Time will not be hidden behind.

[Guest Conway]

Well, that's essentially the same argument that I made regarding SeattleBoy when he was so willing to divulge the supersecret and unproven rumor mongering where Hooboy was concerned that he was picking up from that group of fictionalists who run (I guess now ran into the ground) EscortSpeak.

 

I was chastised for saying that I'd never hire a guy who was so quick to trash the dead in fear of what he might do to the living.

 

Plus, I find him completely unattractive and troll like. That would be another reason I wouldn't hire him.

[BewareofNick]

And I am sure he thanks God every day for that.

[jackhammer91406]

Sorry Mr. SO LAST YEAR,

YOU are missing the point. We have benefited from your HIND sight for a while now on this subject. I repeat, if you guys are just pursuing this kid so that the rest of us can be warned, well, guess what, your work here is done. At least for 24 hours, since Woodlawn says one can never be too vigilant in warning others.

 

And what amazes me for such adept sleuths as you guys, that you all keep missing the point while claiming the rest of us are missing your point. Once the warning is given, it's given. Yet you guys continue to sound the alarm bell, all the while insisting it's not about personal vendetta. Mr BoN's "diligence" is well documented. We are all, I'm sure, gratified by such "diligence" in just looking out for the rest of us. This line of thought is too ridiculous.

 

You guys caught him in a lie. He has admitted being less than candid. If the guys who were at risk have a beef with him, that's between Scott and those guys, not you. He doesn't appear to be hiding, so they can contact him and express their concern. What's it have to do with you? Who elected you guys the hall monitors anyway?

 

So, Why the insistent beating of the drum, unless someone has a grudge that would not bear scrutiny? I mean, can there be any other explanation for every other thread becoming about this kids character? What do you all hope to accomplish? You think you can drive him away. Are you KIDDING ME? Get real. Have you even seen his replies? What's it gonna take for you guys to finally get the real point?

 

You can't bury this kid. All you can do is piss in the sandbox, (something you guys are incredibly adept at BTW)

 

I enjoy having rational dialogues with some of you. But if you hoped your point would change some minds, try letting it rest a while and see if it takes. Otherwise you all look like Screaming Meany Faggots with a grudge.

 

Come on, you guys are better than that. Show it.

 

[BewareofNick]

He actually admitted it? I must have missed that.

 

Scott resurrected a thread and reignited all this. No one to blame but himself.

[woodlawn]

> What's it have to do with you? Who

>elected you guys the hall monitors anyway?

>

>So, Why the insistent beating of the drum, unless someone has

>a grudge that would not bear scrutiny? I mean, can there be

>any other explanation for every other thread becoming about

>this kids character?

 

A couple of things.

 

First, Scott created a thread on Escortspeak for the purpose of complaining about a longtime client who apparently lied to him about some personal problems in order to win Scott's sympathy and get some free (non-sexual) time with him. His complaints about being lied to don't go down very well with those of us who are aware of the lies he's told in furtherance of his own "hobby."

 

Second, after being exposed as one who has consistently lied to clients Scott continues to create threads on this board to promote himself. I don't think it's terribly surprising that some posters regard this as a provocation.

 

> What do you all hope to accomplish?

 

I might ask you the same question. This is not the first time you have engaged in multiple posts for the purpose of defending an escort who has been revealed as untruthful in his dealings here. What motive could you have for defending exactly the sort of escorts this site was meant to expose? Are the escorts in question paying you? If you are going to make dark insinuations about the motives of others you should be prepared to defend your own.

[jackhammer91406]

Well, a couple of things:

 

I don't play in your sandbox, so I am unaware of anything written on your site unless someone tells me. Why haven't I gone there? Because I am told that a majority of what's posted there is just negative bashing. Now that's someone else's word, not mine. I think we are all happy that I am not playing in your neighborhood, right?.

 

I have only the posts from you guys on this board to go by. I am pretty sure that whatever you guys are saying over there is being said over here. Of course, that said, many times I get involved in these fracas' simply because it appears that a few are dog piling on someone. Often, I enjoy discussions with some of you that are on topics or opinions that I care about or agree with. That's not hard to understand.

 

And before you slip into the "you can't stand people who don't agree with you" , I can stand them obviously. I am still here, so are they, There are some views I don't agree with. Those points of view might be more persuasive in changing my mind if they weren't couched in such negative slams.

 

Also, I always enjoy it when you answer a question with a question. You have such a deft touch, I think most people don't notice it. So I will say this about my motives; I WISH I was getting paid. I have no dog in this hunt as I said in my first post on this subject in some other thread.

And if you would like the "darker" answer to your question, I will gladly give you mine....as soon as you answer my question. WHAT DO YOU GUYS HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH?

 

You have made your views known over and over and over and over. Are there that many new readers in the course of a few hours that it requires beating this horse to death hour by hour by hour?

 

<cue: news theme music> And now the lastest on CLIENTS AT RISK.

[SAdler]

::muah:: ::muah:: I think I owe you a blue drink.

 

Although, I am already paying you according to Woodlawn

[SAdler]

Yet another blue drink coming your way.

 

Woodlawn. It's pathetic and sad. Really, what are you hoping to accomplish? Like I said, your warnings only serve to make you look more bitter and get me more clients.

 

I'm paying him? WOW. You are so off your rocker I can't even FATHOM what could be going through your head? Do you know how STUPID that made you sound? My expenses would definitely exceed my income if I had to pay all the people in my corner calling you on your bullshit.

 

At to escortspeak....again, my mistake. Yes again, I admit things when I'm wrong. That was my only option AT THE TIME and excuse me for thinking there were normal human beings on there

[jackhammer91406]

>He actually admitted it? I must have missed that.

 

Yeah, no kidding. That's why I asked if you guys are even READING his replies?

 

So now, the question continues to be, what do you hope to accomplish? Don't let all of your fine work for these years regarding escorts be turned into something that makes you seem obsessive. You are too bright for that. THINK ABOUT IT..

 

If you are expecting an apology, well, it doesn't appear you were one of the guys who hired him ever, so I guess he doesn't owe you anything.

[jackhammer91406]

Now you've done it...

 

PSSST

Scott,

Shut the F__k up and make your exit. Put the shovel down, stop pouring gas on this thing, and did I mention? Shut the F--k up..

 

BTW, I'll try one blue drink and then maybe switch. }(

[SAdler]

RE: Now you've done it...

 

>PSSST

>Scott,

>Shut the F__k up and make your exit. Put the shovel down, stop

>pouring gas on this thing, and did I mention? Shut the F--k

>up..

 

Nah. Gives me something to do. My Tuesday/Thursday class is SOOOOOO boring. Are we not allowed to swear on here?

 

>BTW, I'll try one blue drink and then maybe switch. }(

 

Switch to what. I do have a full bar And no, this does not open the door for Woodlawn to discuss my behavior as an alcoholic

[Guest 2004]

>::muah:: ::muah:: I think I owe you a blue drink.

>

>Although, I am already paying you according to Woodlawn

 

You might not be paying him with cash but possibly false friendship. Take one man who suffers from depression and add one good looking young guy who meets him for dinner and? Just a thought.

 

Jackhammer get you head out of the sand. Visit Escort Speak and decide for yorself what type of board it is .. or do you let people also tell you what movies to watch, tv shows to tune into and music to listen to? Create your own life and stop living it for others.

BTW talk about people who live in glass houses ... maybe someone should spend a little time searching this site for your dramatic meltdown and return. Lastly I began this thread wot warn new readers to this MC about SA not current reads like yourself. You alrady are alert to the issues, so why reply to the thread? Just a thought.

 

Scott weren't you turning tricks long before you could legally call yourself an escort? Didn't you send a few emails to clients bragging about this and some of your famous clients, according to you?

 

Yes I am so last year but at least I am a year.

 

---/

No one can understand what it is to be a year,to have the spotlight, to have people put your name in print, to be importnat for a period of time, after time.

[SAdler]

>You might not be paying him with cash but possibly false

>friendship. Take one man who suffers from depression and add

>one good looking young guy who meets him for dinner and? Just

>a thought.

 

See my other thread where I discuss clients as people and not ATMS. Also, if you must know the truth, jackhammer and I have only met in group dinner associations and chatted online. We've never had one on one time but have often TOYED with the idea of a private dinner but nothing established. Nice attempt though.

 

>Jackhammer get you head out of the sand. Visit Escort Speak

>and decide for yorself what type of board it is .. or do you

>let people also tell you what movies to watch, tv shows to

>tune into and music to listen to? Create your own life and

>stop living it for others.

 

He doesn't need to. He has BoN's signature to remind him what's there every day. From what I hear it's down now though, no?

 

>BTW talk about people who live in glass houses ... maybe

>someone should spend a little time searching this site for

>your dramatic meltdown and return. Lastly I began this thread

>wot warn new readers to this MC about SA not current reads

>like yourself. You alrady are alert to the issues, so why

>reply to the thread? Just a thought.

 

Warning them is sure doing you a lot of good

 

>Scott weren't you turning tricks long before you could legally

>call yourself an escort? Didn't you send a few emails to

>clients bragging about this and some of your famous clients,

>according to you?

 

Actually I'm a little confused what you're asking but it sounds preposterous. Go on though as I'm sure you will.

 

>Yes I am so last year but at least I am a year.

 

Bad year for wine too

 

>No one can understand what it is to be a year,to have the

>spotlight, to have people put your name in print, to be

>importnat for a period of time, after time.

 

Wow. I think we're studying people like you in class on Thursday. Can I bring you in for a case study? Please, GET OVER YOURSELF.

[jackhammer91406]

Hey thanks for the good wishes.

Yeah, I did suffer a breakdown, and I was very public about it. this board served as an incredible support system for me and I am grateful that I can still depend on you and others to look out for me.

So you're bringing that up because????

 

As for visitng the other site, Rat poison can kill you. I don't need to try it to find that out.

 

I can judge (just as you can) the merits of various posters by what they write here. I know for instance, that Woodlawn continues to try to get mileage out of my depression. I suppose if I was still depressed, that it might upset me. But now I can just be thankful that he is so concerned about my health. It's gratifying to know.

 

Your post is a good example of what I was saying.

 

And since I have my head in the sand, can you explain the cache of creating an online persona named after a year? The cuteness of it wore off weeks ago. What other handles do you post under?

 

As for me, I could have been duplicitous and created a different screen name for my depression, but I was new to the internet thing. I am grateful that it turned out OK and no one tried to use my past depression against me. That's what I love about the great guys here. They are all so caring and supportive. I can just be me. I don't have to run and hide behind a different handle every time I want to say something unpopular. And before you get all "what do you think jackhammer is?" on me, I have met a host of guys from here, and they all know I am jackhammer. I am not hiding behind a handle like some. My life is pretty much an open book (granted some don't enjoy reading that book).

 

I guess what it comes down to is this: If I use this board the way I want to and it benefits me, then I suppose I can't get on you and your friends for attacks and vendettas. However,I thought that was why you guys went and got a site of your own.

 

But, I retract my objections.

 

Go ahead, sharpen your teeth and claws. Go get the kid if it makes you happy. Just be prepared to be judged on the obsessiveness in your pursuit of happiness.

 

Have a nice day

[jackhammer91406]

RE: Now you've done it...

 

Are we not allowed to swear on here?

I dunno, I guess so, but I never say fuck unless it's in person.

 

 

>Switch to what.

Sometimes I am in a Greyhound mood, sometimes a Salty Dog. I have even had a Cosmo rocks. but I love the Brazilian drinks. caparinhas (I just can't spell it).

 

 

And no, this does

>not open the door for Woodlawn to discuss my behavior as an

>alcoholic

 

Don't count on it...

:7

[Guest 2004]

>Hey thanks for the good wishes.

>Yeah, I did suffer a breakdown, and I was very public about

>it. this board served as an incredible support system for me

>and I am grateful that I can still depend on you and others to

>look out for me.

>So you're bringing that up because????

 

Because your mental state can tell others who view your writings a little more about the person behind the text.

 

>

>As for visitng the other site, Rat poison can kill you. I

>don't need to try it to find that out.

 

Eyes wide closed, huh?

 

>

 

>

>And since I have my head in the sand, can you explain the

>cache of creating an online persona named after a year?

 

No. I want to keep my thread on the topic of SA and continue to warn people about potential issues related to him, not explain why I was given a specific name.

 

>As for me, I could have been duplicitous and created a

>different screen name for my depression, but I was new to the

>internet thing. I am grateful that it turned out OK and no one

>tried to use my past depression against me. That's what I

>love about the great guys here.

 

You continue to lump me in with a bunch of other posters. I am not part of any group. I could care less about everyone who posts here. I have no specific agenda. If what I comment on strikes a note with others, great. It must mean I'm on the correct path. In fact, I don't even post on Escort Speak. But I am open minded enough to review the site for time to time to determine for myself its merits. I don't let others select ffor me my reading material.

 

 

>Go ahead, sharpen your teeth and claws. Go get the kid if it

>makes you happy. Just be prepared to be judged

 

I'm only concerned about one judge and I'm very comfortable that it will be favorable.

 

---/

Some people, some people just don't understand time after time they need to be reminded.

[Guest 2004]

>

 

>Warning them is sure doing you a lot of good

 

It is doing me quite a bit of good. As when escorts used to share infromation about clients in this center's private and hidden escort only forum; us clients need to share too. One good deed in turn deserves another.

 

>

>>Scott weren't you turning tricks long before you could

>legally

>>call yourself an escort? Didn't you send a few emails to

>>clients bragging about this and some of your famous clients,

>>according to you?

>

>Actually I'm a little confused what you're asking but it

>sounds preposterous. Go on though as I'm sure you will.

 

Yes I will continue to remind new readers that acording to your own documentation in posts here on Escort Speak and in private emails you have acknowledged you were selling yourself to adults while you were still a minor. In California you placed those men in harm's way. And the truth shall be published in the appropiate setting soon Scott so start preparing the next wave of lies.

 

>

>>Yes I am so last year but at least I am a year.

>

>Bad year for wine too

>

>>No one can understand what it is to be a year,to have the

>>spotlight, to have people put your name in print, to be

>>importnat for a period of time, after time.

>

>Wow. I think we're studying people like you in class on

>Thursday. Can I bring you in for a case study? Please, GET

>OVER YOURSELF.

 

Absolutely! In fact, for $2,500 per day I'll even make personal appearances. Oh but that won't get you any sex.

 

---/

There is the little one taking advantage of the old one and so on and so forth and in time you finally have 18 candles.

[SAdler]

RE: Now you've done it...

 

Hee hee but really pookie....

 

>Go get the kid if it makes you happy.

 

Et tu Jacque? j/k ... an hour left in this class

[woodlawn]

>I don't play in your sandbox, so I am unaware of anything

>written on your site unless someone tells me. Why haven't I

>gone there?

 

I didn't ask. The reason I didn't ask is that I don't care.

 

 

> I think we are all happy that I am not

>playing in your neighborhood, right?

 

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. When the other place first opened I predicted that the censorship here would drive traffic over there, and that seems to be exactly what is happening. I claim no credit for a brilliant insight in that regard -- it was obvious.

 

>Also, I always enjoy it when you answer a question >with a

>question. You have such a deft touch, I think most people

>don't notice it. So I will say this about my motives; I WISH

>I was getting paid. I have no dog in this hunt as I said in

>my first post on this subject in some other thread.

>And if you would like the "darker" answer to your question, I

>will gladly give you mine....as soon as you answer my

>question. WHAT DO YOU GUYS HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH?

 

As I said, if you are going to attribute nefarious motives to others you should expect to get the same treatment. And as long as I'm around, you will.

 

As to what we hope to accomplish, we hope to accomplish exactly what we are accomplishing -- to make Scott's actions a major topic of conversation in order to spread the word about them as widely as possible. With little else of interest being posted here it hasn't been too difficult. You've been helping with that. So has Scott.

[KY_TOP]

So I guess the real question that you are asking or point to make is... After all the stuff posted here about SA and with some of the comments he has made...would you still hire him?

 

I started hiring Escorts in August 2001. I have had over 100 Escort encounters and have now written over 70 Reviews (7 of which are presently in que from my California vacation). So as one that hires alot and am attracted to Scott's body type, I feel comfortable in answering that.

 

When I was planning for my California vacation Scott was at the top of my list. After his comment about finding his clients disgusting I quickly decided to pass and crossed him from my list. I respect the person I hire and expect that respect in return. After his half hearted apology I thought about giving him the benefit of the doubt, but had already filled my dance card. When I found myself with an open evening while in LA, I thought what the heck and e-mailed about meeting for 2 hours and gave him my cell # to call. I used my name, not my Hooboy handle. He quickly called me and quoted $350 per hour, $700 for 2 hours.(Note: Athan in LA charges $1000 for 24 hours). Knowing he doesn't negotiate I quickly said that was too much to pay. He was short, almost rude, stated that was the way it was and hung up. I quickly got an e-mail from him apologizing for being short, but he "wanted to get that out there" and stated hourly appointments were really not his thing. He also said that if I had mentioned dinner as part of the 2 hours then it would have only been $600. You guys that have dinner with him at the Hooville meetings are getting a real bargain it seems. I replied, using my Hooboy handle, and said he had a right to charge whatever he wished. We continued a few pleasant e-mail exchanges. Seemed like a nice enough guy in the e-mails.

 

For someone hiring a person for a few hours I really don't care about his personal life, issues, past etc... What I do care about is if he will live up to what he promises for our time together, and will he respect my privacy and treat me with the respect I will treat him. I rely on the reviews a great deal and probably the one thing that does stick out to me now, is Scott's last review. The reviewer plainly states that Scott asks his clients not to reveal certain info, including his rates, in a review. I feel that comment actually brings into question many of Scott's reviews if people are not honest enough to list Scott's real facts. If someone had listed that Scott charges $350 per hour I could have just skipped contacting him all together.

 

So in summary, all the repetitive BS did not stop me from trying to hire Scott. I do believe that all the press Scott is getting, even if you think it is negative, is actually helping him get more clients and more power to him. But, his rates did stop me from hiring him. No hard feelings, if the guy can get it good for him and I hope he is smart enough to save some of it for his future. I did not lack for Escort fun in California because I didn't meet Mr Adler.

 

Lastly,If I had hired him early in his career would I be scared...absolutely and even those that said they saw his ID should read the point that Scott said he used a fake one.

[Guest 2004]

KY a very well balanced post. While I think you're being too kind about him disliking clients and his fee (note the current reviewer hints at $250./hr) I respect your comments except one.

 

I hjave received 7 emails from people who claim they were considering hiring him and chaned their mind based on what I and others brought to the surface.

 

It isn't as if escorts don't lie but using a fake id and placing clients at risk of being arrested then and even several years later is no joke. He has no concern, in my opinion, for anybody but himself.

 

There is an interesting threade I was reading on SA at Escort Speak I suggested people check it (except for jackhammer).

 

---/

Time will never fail those who respect it.

[BewareofNick]

I, too, have received several e-mails thanking us for pointing out what a dishonest person the hobbyho is. Never underestimate the power of this site.

[seaboy4hire]

>Well, that's essentially the same argument that I made

>regarding SeattleBoy when he was so willing to divulge the

>supersecret and unproven rumor mongering where Hooboy was

>concerned that he was picking up from that group of

>fictionalists who run (I guess now ran into the ground)

>EscortSpeak.

>

>I was chastised for saying that I'd never hire a guy who was

>so quick to trash the dead in fear of what he might do to the

>living.

>

>Plus, I find him completely unattractive and troll like. That

>would be another reason I wouldn't hire him.

Conway sweety poo your a LYING SACK OF SHITE! Show where I was so willing to divulge the super secret and unproven rumor mongering of HB and trash the dead! You know what you can't cause I never did. The most I did was ask a question obviously you have not a clue on what you are talking about.

 

Hugs and kisses my pookikins,

Greg

 

Greg Seattle Wa seaboy4hire@yahoo.com

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html

http://seaboy4hire.tripod.com

[KY_TOP]

>KY a very well balanced post.

 

OOPS, watchout someone will start comparing me to FOX News channel

 

>While I think you're being too

>kind about him disliking clients and his fee (note the current

>reviewer hints at $250./hr)

 

Actually the reviewer states $300 per hour. Note the Escort summary info under his picture hints at $250.

 

>I hjave received 7 emails from people who claim they were

>considering hiring him and chaned their mind based on what I

>and others brought to the surface.

 

I believe you but, I also think Scott has probably received that plus more from people wanting to meet him, due to all the attention he is getting.

 

>

>It isn't as if escorts don't lie but using a fake id and

>placing clients at risk of being arrested then and even

>several years later is no joke.

 

But you got to keep in mind he was 16-17 when that occurred and probably not the most mature person. People do grow up most of the time at some point.

 

>He has no concern, in my opinion, for anybody but himself.

 

But don't most people? The old saying take care of #1.