Travelling Escort

[MscleLovr]

I'm European and on vacation in San Francisco. An escort I've been interested in, who's travelling around California, offered to meet me for an overnight (our first date).

 

I described in detail what I like to do; he agreed, save for one minor activity. I then asked his fee ($1000) and I agreed.

 

I was surprised a couple of days later when he informed me I will have to pay his travel costs (airfare & cab-ride). I refused, and he has now offered to moderate his travel costs (using BART rather than cabs)

 

I am uncomfortable with being asked to pay more than was agreed, particularly as we had exchanged detailed emails. And I wonder if this will "sour" relations between us.

 

What do others think?

[Guest Conway]

My expectation would be that I would pay the airfare for any escort who is traveling to another destination to visit me. I always assume the quoted fee to be for services only. On the other hand, it seems to me that the escort is being Chintzty asking for cab fare. I certainly wouldn't expect to pay his cab fare if he was coming from across town.

[JT Brooklyn]

Going by the "Overall Market" on MOST Overnites, if it is just another $200, your Total Rate $1200. That is what a very Popular, well Reviewed Guy will Quote! ALSO this is his First Time with you! Bottom Line though, it is your call, whether or not it is the Rate you feel comfortable with! :+ :+ :+

[+ deej]

His rate is for the time he spends with you.

 

If he incurs travel expenses (PARTICULARLY air fare!) then it's reasonable to expect you to cover it, since he's effectively swallowing the travel time. You're already splitting the cost of the travel. His contribution is the time and airport hassles.

 

It's unreasonable to expect someone to fly to you for an overnight (and presumably to fly back the next day) at his own expense.

[ErikMcAlister]

>I wonder if this will "sour" relations between us.

>

>What do others think?

 

If you think it has, or may, it HAS.

[joel304]

I might want to know if his "travelling aroun CA" includes San Francisco already, and if maybe you're financing his next jump. If not, then you definitely pay airfare.

 

I take BART to/from the airport depending on the time (traffic wise) of day. Otherwise, I've found Super Shuttle to suffice for $16. A taxi will cost $45 or so. Not really worth it.

[joel304]

Roundtrip taxi fare for the airport will be in the area of $90. That's significant. BART is like $7, and a choice I make often.

[MscleLovr]

The escort was working in San Francisco. I mentioned to him when I would be here, and asked where he would be - in case he was travelling by the time I arrived and I wanted to visit him.

 

Without mentioning any travel plans, he offered me an overnight in San Francisco. Later, it transpired that he would be at the White Party in Palm Springs this weekend.

 

At that time, he had no other travel plans posted so I assumed he was based in San Francisco.

 

I hope this clarifies the position. As I've said to him, it may be a misunderstanding... but as we were very explicit on other details, I would have expected him to tell me if he was flying into San Francisco specially or when asked what it would cost me, have stated something along the lines of $1000 + $250-300 travel

[+ newatthis]

I had interactions with -- I believe -- the same escort, which, for entirely different reasons, left me with bad vibes before we met and asking myself the same question you're asking now. I came very close to canceling, but didn't based on his good reviews. All I can say is I should have trusted my vibes.

[Guest Conway]

If he had already traveled to or was based in San Francisco, I don't think you're obligated to pay him for transportation. I'd tell the guy tyhanks , but no thanks and call Jake walker.

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO..So in other words... You are paying for his return flight to San Fran From Palm Springs, which he would of had to originally pay for anyway? If True, I would think the Hookup, over also. There's more than one Hot Guy in S.F. LOL :+ :+ :+

[MscleLovr]

Steven Draker

 

I feel I've presented the situation very fairly, so I think it's OK to say the escort in question is Steven Draker.

 

He has had numerous good reviews and based on them, I would regard him as extremely professional.

 

So I am torn between wanting to meet him and being surprised...

[+ friendofsheila]

RE: Steven Draker

 

It does sound like a misunderstanding: you thinking he was indicating he was already in SF, he thinking you were soliciting him to fly out special. Maybe he'd even be willing to acknowledge the possibility of the misunderstanding, which might help you feel better about going ahead with it.

 

It sounds like the money might be the only issue left. If the extra money isn't too big a barrier, why not give him the benefit of the doubt? (It sounds like you might even be wondering in the future, "Gosh, I kinda wish I'd taken the opportunity...")

[flguy]

I can't say enough GOOD things about Steven and I think you have a bit of misunderstanding going on. I am hoping to see Steven again before he leaves the country for Europe this spring. Just talk with him, the price is right and I got the impression he had to travel from San Diego to San Fran to see you maybe? Work it out, you will be rewarded.

[MscleLovr]

Steven Draker

 

I've had several private messages detailing bad experiences with him, and I have no reason to doubt them.

 

I accept that his reviews are good and many people have had a great time with him - maybe he just sees too many guys in a short time while travelling? Maybe he parties too much on his own time, and later can't give of his best to paying customers?

 

At any rate, I don't understand the mismatch between the published reviews and the seemingly sensible, critical comments I've received privately

[latlrnr]

RE: Steven Draker

 

Have you spoken with him about the "misunderstanding"? It appears that you have more doubts about this fellow than positive vibes. When all is added up, you may be better off looking for someone else. After all, the opportunity to hire him again under more satisfactory circumstances will probably avail itself if you are still interested at another time. There are lots of "fish in the sea", so why not seek someone with whom you will not carry doubts?

[menrus]

RE: Steven Draker

 

I agree. Time to pass on Mr Draker

[LovesYng]

RE: Steven Draker

 

Having met Steven about four or five times I think some of you guys are really wrong about him. YES, if he was done with SF and you wanted him to come back it's going to cost you or anyone.

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[MscleLovr]

RE: Steven Draker

 

Just to be clear: I said I was here in San Francisco. He wrote to me out-of-the-blue offering an overnight. Only much later did he mention his weekend at the White Party in Palm Springs and that he expected me to pay the travel costs back to SF.

 

I accept that many guys have had a good time with him, but I am upset both by the lack of contact/response from him to my polite emails, and by the several private messages I've received detailing poor or bad experiences.

 

I've decided it's better to go elsewhere

[LovesYng]

RE: Steven Draker

 

>Just to be clear: I said I was here in San Francisco. He

>wrote to me out-of-the-blue offering an overnight. Only much

>later did he mention his weekend at the White Party in Palm

>Springs and that he expected me to pay the travel costs back

>to SF.

>

>I accept that many guys have had a good time with him, but I

>am upset both by the lack of contact/response from him to my

>polite emails, and by the several private messages I've

>received detailing poor or bad experiences.

>

>I've decided it's better to go elsewhere

 

THANKS MscleLovr for clearing the record

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[JT Brooklyn]

RE: Steven Draker

 

"He" offered an OverNite..Then at a later time, wanted you to Pay his AIRFARE back to San Fran. Knowing he wasn't staying in Palm Springs very long anyway? Did he say "where" he was heading after Palm Springs? Not back to S.F.? Guys that Travel alot as he always has, KNOW where they will be in 2 weeks! He always reads the Forums..I am surprised we have no Response on this? :+

[Muscle Lover]

RE: Steven Draker

 

After considering the above, I would vote NO on Draker

[Lankypeters]

The matter of carfare aside, Steven is one of the best escorts around. I saw him while he was in New York in January. He delivered in every way -- I had made some specific requests before we got going; he met them all, down to wearing dog tags while we fucked. And can he fuck! He has great technique, smooth skin on muscles like rocks and a sweet face and personality to match. He also kisses much more enthusiastically and openly (literally) than most other 'scorts. His favorable reviews here are some of the most accurate to be found.

 

 

Lankypeters

[Steven_Draker]

Drama, drama, drama ... Let me clarify this situation.

 

"MscleLovr" wanted to spend an overnight with me for more than an year but our travel schedules never seemed to overlap. We kept missing each other in Europe, USA and even Australia. I never "offer to do an overnight out-of-the-blue", that was MscleLovr's request for a long time. Recently he emailed me that he was going to be in San Francisco for two weeks in late March, but I informed him that at that time I'll be in Los Angeles, being in San Francisco earlier.

 

He says "I assumed he was based in San Francisco"

I've never been based out of San Francisco and MscleLovr is aware of where I'm based and where I'm travelling to. Furthermore he gets regularly my Newsletter detailing my travel plans.

 

Saying that he wasn't aware that I was going to be in Palm Springs and coming to San Francisco to see him since the beginning is not true. I saved all correspondence and here I copy what he says in a message from March 19th:

"I know this will be after the White party so are you sure you will be up for travelling?"

 

I asked him an advice about the airline and routing and wrote him that I was coming solely to see him. It's clear that in this case the client should support the travel expenses. It has always been this way and it seems normal for everyone in this thread except for MscleLovr.

 

For the record, I managed to find a very affordable airfare and even offered to take BART instead of cab in order to reduce the travel costs. The total amount came to $120 which he refused. It's not true that the last two emails were polite and friendly, but that's not the point.

 

For me, MscleLovr was trying to find an excuse or get a better deal suggesting me to "reconsider your fee" (quote), knowing that I already paid for the airfare out-of-my-pocket, which I found a total lack of class.

 

Probably what he doesn't know is that canceling an overnight a few hours before the scheduled meeting, especially when an escort is travelling from out-of-town and all travel arrangements have been made, implies a cancellation fee.

 

Steven Draker, stuck somewhere next to SF

[Luv2play]

RE: Steven Draker

 

Why would you "vote No to Steven Draker" before hearing his side of the story? Steven is a regular poster to this message site and it was only a matter of time before he would respond. Now he has responded (see below) and, sure enough, there is another side to this story.

 

From Musclvr's account, it seemed Steven had tried to stick him with a travel fee where none seem warranted or at least should have been discussed before the appointment was setup. From Steven's side, it appears Musclvr had no reasonable expectation of not paying for the escort's travel as he was coming from Palm Springs only to see him and he was not based in San Francisco during his trip to the USA.

 

I am inclined to believe Steven as he has a very good reputation on this message site and excellent reviews from clients. It is unfortunate when contributers to this board come forward with tales of being wronged by escorts but give one sided accounts, leaving out important facts which detract from their account.

 

It serves as a reminder to escorts to keep the e-mails between them and their clients. After all, we are talking about service contracts which, in these cases of overnights, run up bills in the thousands of dollars. Any person in business would be irresponsible to not keep a record until the services are rendered and all parties concerned have expressed their satisfaction or otherwise. I know I do in my small on-line business on the Internet. ;-)