Bareback Sex -- Looking for a jury; not a judge.

[HotdadENYC]

I thought long and hard about posting this, but my curiousity has gotten the better of me, and I would like to find out what others think. So here it goes.

 

Several of the escorts reviewed on this site, as well as several others who post on other escort sites (rentboy.com, etc.) also post on a site called http://www.barebacksex.com, in which they clearly state that they are "into barebacking."

 

Its a public site and you can go see for yourself which escorts I'm referring to. (I searched the New York area.) Obviously, inclusion on that site and concurrent advertisements DO NOT mean that they actually engage in this behavior, but I did some calling around, and sure enough, found out that some of them actually do willingly "leave their umbrellas at home, even with the threat of torrential rain."

 

Its not my objective to offer judgement here; I have the option to decline entertaining a meeting with any of these guys. What they choose to do is beyond the scope of my moral meanderings.

 

But interestingly enough, I am VERY interested in hooking up with one of these guys and naturally, I'm feeling a bit, shall I say, conflicted.

 

How do, how would, how did, any of you feel about hiring a guy who you know could potentially practice "sex with an edge"?

 

Curiously, I DON'T have a problem hooking up with someone who has already disclosed his HIV positive status. In fact, there's one west coast guy who posts here somewhat frequently that I would be honored to meet and have some fun with (yeah, Greg, that's you !) This guy's courage and determination to remain healthy are inspirational. Besides that, he has the hottest face and body that I've yet to see come out of the northwest.

 

I do also have another personal issue. Fifty or so years ago, tuberculosis was a death sentence; my grandmother died from it. Twenty years after that, when my own mother was diagnosed with TB, the doctor assured me that it was "not a big deal." She would go on to live many more years. God, what a difference a decade or two makes. Unfortunately my mom passed on right after 9/11 after lapsing into an irreversible coma, NONE of which was related to TB.

 

The point is that we have made significant strides with previously categorized fatal diseases and it just keeps getting more promising.

 

Whether its HIV or an STD, I recall Deej's often repeated advice that we should assume that everyone has something (deej, I'm paraphrasing, but the point is obvious) and we should take appropriate steps.

 

However, to put an end to my rambling and to get back to the original question, how comfortable are you hiring a guy that has dubious sexual practices?

 

And if that weren't enough, and considering that shit sometimes happens, and pointing to a previously posted thread, WHAT happens if the condom breaks?

 

hd NYC

 

 

P.S. To paraphrase a female friend of mine, "I got divorced because I didn't want a dick ruining my life." The interpretations are endless.

 

P.P.S. HooBoy and Moderators, you might want to consider, someday, putting out a Medicine and Medical Forum so that we can discuss the latest in medical technology and related issues. I don't know that it would be popular, but it would be valuable. The emphasis on HIV, AIDS and STD is noteworthy, but more people (including gays) die from other causes (heart, liver, prostate cancer, liver cancer, etc.) that makes it seem like we need a forum. You guys have already proved that you're on the forefront of social issues; lets give your readers another avenue to post, pursue and research. As an aside, my best friend, a senior executive at Bank of America who enjoys using escorts on business trips, thought that sex safe meant being in a secure hotel. If intelligent people can be so lacking in knowledge, then we REALLY need to get some information out there.

 

Regards, once again

 

hd NYC

[+ deej]

>However, to put an end to my rambling and to get back to the

>original question, how comfortable are you hiring a guy that has

>dubious sexual practices?

 

You quoted me pretty well. (And you have good taste ... Greg interests me too!)

 

There's a guy I've previously expressed interest in who is now back in Chicago after a hiatus in Canada. Several people on the MC taunted me because he showed up on bareback sites and also did a couple of bareback porn videos. I'd still like to fuck him into next month and his recent pics look pretty damn good so I'd still do him in a minute.

 

You can bet your ass my not-so-little soldier will be wearing his combat gear, of course, but I do that with everyone.

 

Also don't believe everything you read on the web. We've had cases where pictures of a well-known escort showed up on a bareback site and the escort was horrified to find out about it! (Hey, the bareback sites are as guilty as the escort sites in "padding" so their site looks more "full".)

 

And sometimes it's true. <shrug>

 

The bottom line? If he pushes my buttons, I'll do him. Safely. Even if he doesn't have provably dubious practices I'll assume he does and try my damndest to make his toes curl.

 

Everyone needs to draw their own line in the sand. You and I would have a blast with Greg. Some would be put off by his status.

 

Interesting question, and most certainly not a "one size fits all".

[HotdadENYC]

At the risk of sound crude, deej,

 

AWESOME FUCKING RESPONSE

 

I'm thinking about a trip from SF, driving north into OR and WA, and, assuming a cool contact with Greg, driving into him as well.

 

I could use some company. Its NOT a done deal, just a thought. Let me know if you're into it.

 

I'm in NYC and would have to travel. But I think that Greg, and the northwest Pacific Coast, is well worth it.

 

Thanks again, dude

 

hd NYC

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

It's Like Tubelar

 

>

>AWESOME FUCKING RESPONSE

>

the northwest Pacific Coast, is well worth it.

 

Greg always struck me as a very nice man. Irrespective of that as a rationale, the Pacific Northwest, while much too wet for my own personal taste to want to live there, has some beautiful mountains, lava flows, beaches, water falls and deserts. The only reason I made three trips to the Portland area is because I have a friend who moved there with his partner and so each working trip is combined with a vacation. My friend often sends me photographs of their camping trips and other adventures and there is definitely some wonderful, unspoiled natural countryside in this part of the country, while still remain near to some interesting and worthwhile urban centers.

[+ deej]

The Pacific Northwest is worth a trip. I've been there often for business in Seattle, and usually tack on a couple of days of R&R.

 

Enjoy the trip!

[+ Charlie]

There are so many diverse topics in this short thread (barebacking, a new medical forum, Greg, the beauties of the Pac NW), but I'll start by responding to the initial question. If an escort indicates that he barebacks, I assume that he isn't really serious about protecting his own health, so he's certainly not likely to be very concerned about protecting mine. I will pass, simply because there are plenty of other equally attractive escorts out there, though I am not naive enough to assume that because they don't say so--or even actually deny it--that they bareback, too; I'm just more comfortable with those who don't boast about it.

 

As to the proposal for a medical forum, my fear is that it would not be visited regularly except by those who are already interested in the subject. The beauty of the Lounge and Deli is that they cover such a broad range of topics that the casual browser is more likely to run across useful medical information there that he wasn't specifically looking for.

 

I don't know anything about Greg, and the Pacific NW only interests me in summer when the temperatures here in the desert start to wear me down.

[+ deej]

Charlie, you've been around here forever and you're a valued member of this community, so I don't want this to sound like I'm lecturing or scolding you (which is pretty much a guarantee that's EXACTLY how it will sound :-)).......

 

Reading what you wrote, it appears you're penalizing guys who are honest and rewarding guys who are at best deceptive and at worst outright liars.

 

Don't get me wrong! I'm not trying to tell you where your own personal comfort level should be. I truly do believe everyone should draw the line in the sand where they feel best about it.

 

I'm just curious where the perceived safety factor comes from when you toss out honesty in the first wave of selection.

 

(And I agree about the medical forum ... gayhealth.com is a better place for that anyway.)

[Prime Muscle]

"There's a guy I've previously expressed interest in who is now back in Chicago after a hiatus in Canada. Several people on the MC taunted me because he showed up on bareback sites and also did a couple of bareback porn videos. I'd still like to fuck him into next month and his recent pics look pretty damn good so I'd still do him in a minute."

 

 

Hey deej - if you're talking about Antonio I agree -- he's hot as hell. Buy a 36-pack of trojans and go at it!!

[modelscoutnyc]

I am not judging people who engage in bareback sex, but the fact is that its risky behavior. But most part its more prevelent behavior in already infected hiv + people. What I have seen so many time a guy say state he is hiv- but will have unproctected sex if your tell him your hiv- also. I guess he believes it an goes for it. My guess is both are hiv+ an in denial.

 

WRAP IT UP GUYS....

[+ Charlie]

deej, I thought I was clear that I don't feel that someone is "safe" just because he doesn't say he barebacks, or even specifically says he won't bareback--I don't believe everything a salesman tells me. I just feel that someone who actually advertises it is confirming that he is not "safe" as a sex partner choice. Honesty is a wonderful quality in an escort (especially when he tells me how hot I am), but I don't think I am "punishing" him by refusing to hire someone who is honest about barebacking, anymore than refusing to ride with someone who admits he drinks or smokes pot before driving is "punishing" him. I don't want to put the escort out of business, or tell others not to use him--as you say, the post asked us to comment on our own comfort levels with hiring escorts who admit they bareback, and that's all I'm doing.

[seaboy4hire]

HD and Deej thanks for the kind words. Honestly they really do mean a lot to me and often when I feel down I just have to open up your messages and I feel a lot better. Might I suggest a trip to Seattle in the Spring time? Not hot at all well weather wise at least }( and lots to see and do. Summer is always nice with different stuff going on just about every weekend. Hope y'all are having a good week.

 

Hugs,

Greg

Greg Seattle Wa seaboy4hire@yahoo.com

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html

http://seaboy4hire.tripod.com

[HotdadENYC]

Greg, you're welcome. Glad my words can bring a smile to your face.

 

I am seriously considering a trip to the West Coast late spring or early summer. Just have to get over selling my apartment and put that chapter behind me before I can start planning my travels.

 

I already know that the scene in Seattle is VERY nice; oh, and then there's all that natural beauty as well......<SMILE>

 

Regards,

 

hd NYC

[bigpeteratlanta]

You Yankees ars some strange dudes.

[HotdadENYC]

>You Yankees ars some strange dudes.

 

 

Yeah, your're right. We are strange. In fact, nowadays, we even tolerate southerners. How much more strange could we possibly get?

 

 

hd NYC