From .... Escort ..... to Hustler!

[happyguy2]

Hey Guys,

 

A while ago, this happened to me. I met a wonderful escort, a truly exceptionally bright and kind and beautiful guy, about 22-24. We had an explosive couple of hours together - and I had to catch a plane - it was just one of those things, he couldn't meet me before that very moment.

 

Guys, he was hot: just what I like in a guy, from his silky smooth skin to his lips and eyes down to his feet - and sexually, he pushed (and let me push) all the right buttons.

 

I didn't review him, because my travel plans were to return, and I really wanted to get to know him better. We exchanged e-mail messages and I couldn't wait to see him again.

 

In early December, I had the chance to see him again. We met three times, for a couple of hours each, it was wonderfully exciting. My plans were to return to his city in January, and so I did. We met each day, but he told me up front that he was going away with family at the end of that week, so he couldn't see me after a certain day. No problem, I thought I would then check out the competition.

 

Our encoutners were great, we were both learning exactly what turned the other guy on, etc.... But, as we got to know what to do, I became aware on the fourth day of my last trip, the meetings were getting somewhat faster, but nothing alarming. Then he told me that his family cancelled his trip to their home - and that he could see me as much as I wanted, for hours on end - even over night.

 

We had our session that afternoon, and I noticed it was even a little quicker than the last. Then, I told him I was going out for a very high end supper that night, in an over-the-top eating establishment which is one of America's top five places to be and to be seen (not that that matters to me, just to describe the place, with the most fantastic creative cuisine you'll ever have.) Since a meal for two, with excellent wines would easily cost $600.00+++, I said I would only do it off the clock. He then gave me a lecture on how sacred this business is. How he could never cross the line. How money is for time spent. Never for sex! And he would only do it for money. I understood.

 

I went to the restaurant concerned with others, and had a great time .. and regretted that he missed out. But I had a few principles too. but mine being about some things being "off the clock". We met the next day, great encounter, but he was gone in 35 minutes. Next day, gone in 25 minutes. But I always paid $200/hr.

 

My fine find had gone from escort to hustler in my mind. Never saw him again. Haven't written reviews for two reasons: I can't be identified; It was my fault for not speaking up, not his.

 

Has something like this ever happened to you?

 

hg

[+ cougar]

If you decide to do a review, your identity can be as limited as you make it. The choice is yours.

However, I would hope that you would do a review of this escort so that we will be able to know the facts and the red flags you speak about.

[mattgunther]

I've had the opposite thing happen to me and I wonder if that was what was going on with your escort/hustler. I'll meet an incredible escort and have a fantastic time with him. However, the more I see him the less fun it becomes. Maybe its because I get to know him and find out he's not my fantasy. Maybe I just get bored. In any case I move on to another escort.

 

That may be what happened with your guy. When he first met you, he really liked you but over time he got bored. And as he got more bored, he put less and less into the relationship. I think this happens a lot in relationships that don't involve money as well as those that do.

[Guest 8mile]

What are you guys childish? This is exactly the reasons escorts attend to this strict rules of ethics...you get some guy crying to the crowd because he would not take the bait of a well to do lad for a dinner date. This situation has nothing to do with how efficiency said escort is, however this issue is personal. Instead of this happy fellow bringing his chums to the waters for the sharks to bite, this chap should take his concerns up with his escort.

 

Be a gentleman old timer, leave marital affairs at home, don’t bring them to the office.

 

As usual

Zachary

[bigguyinpasadena]

What are you guys childish?<no we are posters on a board which discuses male escorts and warns others away from hustlers such as this> This is exactly the reasons escorts attend to this strict rules of ethics<hustlers???ethics???bahhahahah>...you get some guy crying to the crowd because he would not take the bait of a well to do lad for a dinner date.<well to do lad???we are talking about a hooker here,offered something besides a happy meal> This situation has nothing to do with how efficiency said escort is, however this issue is personal<sorry,it stopped being "personal"the minute the hustler took some $$$$ for his "time"> Instead of this happy fellow bringing his chums to the waters for the sharks to bite, this chap should take his concerns up with his escort<again,one of this sites main purposes is to hash out matters such as this.IMO happy guy is being discreet by not using the hustlers name in this post>

 

Be a gentleman old timer,<and you know happyguys age how ?> leave marital affairs at home<we are talking about an "escort"turned hustler here> don’t bring them to the office.<again,this "office"is mainly for post like these.>

Welcome to the board 8mile,please consider my thoughts on your post before you post again.

[BobbyB]

>Welcome to the board 8mile,please consider my thoughts on your

>post before you post again.

 

Well said, Big Guy!

 

- BobbyB

[Guest 8mile]

Big Guy, I am surprised, upon actively reading this board I figured a veteran like you would have found a high respect for escorts. I am sure names such as hooker and hustler I suppose don’t flow very well the guys you have come to know and love so dearly. I overestimated your personality Big Guy, I pegged you would have to understand the personal bond between and escort and client.

 

Let me get this straight, an escort becomes a hustler when? When he doesn’t accept a dinner invite off the clock? Or is it when he happened to spend time with a repeating client under and hour? Yes that must be the fine line between an escort and a hustler. No, it's not inviting a guy over and finding out he doesn’t look like his photographs. No, it's not after upon arriving the escort quotes a rate higher than published. No No...These are not issues this site should be discussing...it's the after the first 10 meetings, I timed my escort and he left 10 minutes too early.

 

The purpose of this site is to be complimentary, not supplemental to the communication between escort and client. The best information a client can get is from the escort himself.

 

Respect works two ways. Once you start feeling the need to call your escort a happy hooker, you should reevaluate his respect towards you. As he may be the one offering his "time," you my friend are the one who feels the need to accept his offer.

 

As usual

Zachary

[Boston Guy]

HG:

 

Was the escort in question based in LA?

 

BG

[bigguyinpasadena]

8mile,I have known so many working boys in my wicked wicked life.I have known truly wonderful"escorts",I have known many a hooker,and,alas, far too many hustlers.

The behavior described by HappyGuy screams HUSTLER!!!And not just the fact that he turned down a meal(that is a stupid move on his part-but I could understand)It is the whole series of events that paint the scene here.

If you are a long time reader then you know I have a lot of respect for a number of working boys.I have defended a number of them against unfair "slams"

Why do you feel the need to defend the HUSTLER in happyguys tale of dissapointment?Do you have some knowledge regarding this affair that you would like to share?

BTW,,,The word hooker(and I guess to a lesser degree hustler)have been "owned"by the world of working boys themselves-as in hustlaball,hookonline.com,and numerous "hooker"and "hustler"tshirts on view at events where there will be a lot of sex workers in attendance.

You of course are welcome to defend the various hustlers(and here I mean sex workers who do not deliver what was promised-i.e. agreeing to a set amount of cash for a set amount of time aand then calling it quits befor the time is over thereby upsetting the client enough to post on this forum) which will be complained about/commented upon in this forum,but I don't know why you would want to ?

PS,I see you are in LA 8mile,I hope you will drop by the next meeting of the LA chapter of Hoovilians,I belive it will be thursday the 24th,probably at Numbers,or ,if you feel like a drive,many of us are headed to PS for the weekend.

[Swiss Lumber]

I think what he was trying to tell you is that business is business. So, give him some business sense by telling him that you pay by the hour and you deserved to get the hour-worth of his time. As for the expensive dinner, the dude does not care whatever amount you are spending for he is in the business of selling his time and companionship. Did it evr occur to you that you insulted him by inviting him to some expensive dinner but you can not afford to pay for his time? At the end of the day, he wants to come home and put some food on his table and pay his rent. Also, if he was that good, did you tip him? If you just pay him his base rate and he was working hard to please you, I won't be surprised that he somehow lost interest.

 

Remember, these escorts are service providers. Unless they are attrated to you, they will always look at you as a revenue source. Don't blame them. They are just doing their business.

[Boston Guy]

>I think what he was trying to tell you is that business is

>business. So, give him some business sense by telling him

>that you pay by the hour and you deserved to get the

>hour-worth of his time.

 

Good advice.

 

>As for the expensive dinner, the dude

>does not care whatever amount you are spending for he is in

>the business of selling his time and companionship. Did it

>evr occur to you that you insulted him by inviting him to some

>expensive dinner but you can not afford to pay for his time?

 

I cannot agree with this, on several grounds.

 

First, the client invited the escort to what sounds like an elegant dinner. He was clear that he was offering to pay for dinner but wouldn't also be paying for the escort's time. To be offered such an invitation is not an insulting gesture and anyone who would be insulted by such an invitation is either very naive or entirely too full of themselves.

 

Second, you state "the dude does not care whatever amount you are spending." Possibly true but, if so, also naive: professionals of all stripes frequently find themselves in positions where they are spending their client's money. To not care about that is unprofessional, uncaring and likely to damage the relationship with the client. No one likes to be taken advantage of.

 

Finally, who said anything about the client not being able to afford to pay for the escort's time? The client went to dinner and had a good time. It sounded to me like he was quite capable of paying for whatever he chose to purchase but -- wisely, in my opinion -- opted not to pay for both a great meal and the rather exorbitant amount the escort expected to be paid for the time spent at dinner.

 

It seems to me that the escort in question has bought way into the myth that he is being paid for his time. I would suggest that he try an experiment: tell each of his clients for the next month that they can enjoy his time at his normal rates but that there will be no sex or romance involved. At the end of the month, he can decide exactly what his clients are paying him for.

 

>At the end of the day, he wants to come home and put some food

>on his table and pay his rent. Also, if he was that good, did

>you tip him? If you just pay him his base rate and he was

>working hard to please you, I won't be surprised that he

>somehow lost interest.

>

 

Your statements make "his base rate" sound like a waiter's base rate. When a "professional" is making $300 per hour, he shouldn't expect a tip. Any escort who charges $300 per hour and then doesn't deliver his absolute best each and every time he is "at work" doesn't deserve to call himself a professional. I think escorts often seem to lose sight of just how much money $300 per hour really is.

 

>Remember, these escorts are service providers. Unless they

>are attrated to you, they will always look at you as a revenue

>source. Don't blame them. They are just doing their

>business.

 

I agree with you that escorting is a business. If I were a consultant to this young escort, I'd suggest to him that he really blew this situation and not in a good way. Instead of offering to spend a couple of hours of time with the client, off the clock, enjoying a good meal, the escort went off by himself. Presumably he didn't eat a $300 dinner and, one hopes, he wasn't off with another client earning money so soon after leaving the first client.

 

So, from a business point of view, (a) he didn't earn any more money and, conversely, going to dinner with the client wouldn't have cost him any money; (b) he didn't get to enjoy a great dinner; © he insulted the client by not accepting his invitation and by lecturing him. The result? The client is here at M4M using terms like "hustler" to describe the guy (not unwarranted in my opinion, based on all of the facts in the original post).

 

So was this good business? Not make any more money but, instead, insult and probably lose a good client. Sounds pretty short-sighted to me and not good business judgment. All businesses give customers some free services and/or products from time to time. Going to dinner with this client wouldn't have killed this guy and probably would have saved the relationship and prevented this entire thread.

 

On a final note, I have to address the whole idea of the escort "lecturing" the client about the concept of paying only for time. Regardless of what the escort felt, it showed, I think, a remarkable lack of tact and a great deal of naivete.

 

BG

[VaHawk]

>Our encoutners were great, we were both learning exactly what

>turned the other guy on, etc.... But, as we got to know what

>to do, I became aware on the fourth day of my last trip, the

>meetings were getting somewhat faster, but nothing alarming.

>Then he told me that his family cancelled his trip to their

>home - and that he could see me as much as I wanted, for hours

>on end - even over night.

>

>We had our session that afternoon, and I noticed it was even a

>little quicker than the last. Then, I told him I was going

>out for a very high end supper that night, in an over-the-top

>eating establishment which is one of America's top five places

>to be and to be seen (not that that matters to me, just to

>describe the place, with the most fantastic creative cuisine

>you'll ever have.) Since a meal for two, with excellent wines

>would easily cost $600.00+++, I said I would only do it off

>He then gave me a lecture on how sacred this

>business is. How he could never cross the line. How money is

>for time spent. Never for sex! And he would only do it for

>money. I understood.

 

HUH? You asked for a dinner engagement "off the clock" with the after dinner time "on the clock" and was told forthrightly that this was not the escort's policy and that the escort would consider this "crossing the line" into the "intimate, personal, non-business realm", but yet you understood? How? as you are now posting a bitch about it?

>

>I went to the restaurant concerned with others, and had a

>great time .. and regretted that he missed out. But I had a

>few principles too. but mine being about some things being

>"off the clock". We met the next day, great encounter, but he

>was gone in 35 minutes. Next day, gone in 25 minutes. But I

>always paid $200/hr.

>

>My fine find had gone from escort to hustler in my mind.

>Never saw him again. Haven't written reviews for two reasons:

> I can't be identified; It was my fault for not speaking up,

>not his.

>

>Has something like this ever happened to you?

 

Am I just dense, or am I missing something???? You got "serviced" for the agreed upon hourly fee, and when the servicing is "done" that is usually the normal completion of the hourly contract, whether it takes 10, 20 or 60 minutes to "bust your nut"!

 

Given the description of your encounters, I would not call this escort a hustler, but I would hestitantly question your motives in posting this tripe! OH, THAT'S RIGHT, you can't be identified, be bothered to identify the escort, or GOD FORBID be tasked with posting a review. However, you CAN allocate time to post this totally useless bullshit!!!!!!!!

[happyguy2]

Hello dear friends,

 

Firstly, no, the escort was in Europe.

 

Secondly, I should never have mentioned the dinner situation. It was only background to what I was saying.

 

a) I take out all sorts of consultants for expensive meals, to thank them for what they do. I take out my lawyers, who charge in excess of $500./hr; my accountants, who charge in excess of $350/hr; and printers, benefits advisors, human resources advisors, pension plan investors, money managers, etc... you get the idea.... to tell them I really appreciate their services. EScorts, fit in to this category, as far as I am concerned.

 

b) In this case, what conerened me was the lecture I got on " your money is for my time" and then, he proceededed tro charged me for an hour when he was giving me less or close to half an hour, just lets come and get this over with...

 

c) that is the attitude of a hustler, and not an escort who wants to spend time with you.

 

I regret that I have caused this controversy. I stand by what I said:

 

an escort spends wonderful time with us, and it includes sexual activity, but covers a specific amount of time;

 

a hustler gets you off ... fast .... and it is over....

that's why he is cheaper.....

 

d) I should have brought this up with him ... it had nothing to do with the dinner, it had everything to do with the time we spent together...

 

So happy to have heard other opinions and thanks to you all....

would be glad to hear more....

 

hg

[guyinsf]

I totally disagree here. If I hire a guy for an hour and come after 20 minutes, I don't think that "servicing is done" or that the "hourly contract" has been completed. I suppose if you look at an escort as the equivalent of a blow-up doll whose only purpose is to facilitate an orgasm, then you might think that after the client comes there is no reason for the escort to stick around. There is such a thing as physical intimacy following an orgasm, however, and if a client is paying an escort for a full hour then I think a competent escort is going to stick around for that hour. The rest of the time may be spent with simple small talk and casual caresses, or perhaps the client has a short refractory period and will get it up and be able to come again before the hour has ended.

 

If an escort wants to sell his services per orgasm, then he should do so. I did, in fact, see a recent listing for an escort who had a 30 minute "quicky" rate.

 

>Am I just dense, or am I missing something???? You got

>"serviced" for the agreed upon hourly fee, and when the

>servicing is "done" that is usually the normal completion of

>the hourly contract, whether it takes 10, 20 or 60 minutes to

>"bust your nut"!

>

[Boston Guy]

>I totally disagree here. If I hire a guy for an hour and

>come after 20 minutes, I don't think that "servicing is done"

>or that the "hourly contract" has been completed.

 

Exactly.

 

Have you ever noticed, though, how the guys who insist most loudly that the client is paying only for their time are the first ones to want to leave the moment the client has come? It's the "hustler" mentality when the escort wants to have it both ways. The good ones don't leave early.

 

BG

[Mouth]

Amen, BostonGuy. In the end, its the smart professionalism of the escort that most often is appreciated by his clients. If you're establishing a connection with an escort, it makes no sense to lecture that person, especially on something as "time" vs. "service." Who are we kidding here? This young man doesn't get it and he's probably lousy at managing his business. I have more than a few long-standing escorts I do business with on a regular basis. These guys understand and respect the relationship. Nobody is taking advantage of the other, and it's up the escort to manage the time.

 

I recall one of these guys really had my head swimming after our first encounter. We booked a one-hour session, and it ended up going well over 2 hours, but I paid him for one. I got back in touch with him for a follow up session, and he quickly agreed, but reminded me that we had played for more than two hours the first time. I was so embarassed. I not only engaged him for a two-hour session, but paid him for the second hour, adding my sincere apologies. I appreciated his professionalism. We still get together.

 

Some of these guys enjoy going to dinner or have enjoyed a meal I've prepared (and I always ask in advance if they would like to have dinner). Others don't. It all depends on the escort.

 

HG2 sounds like a generous man and this kid not only screwed up a good business relationship, but talked himself out of a great dining experience. If read reviews on this site you will notice that clients are often happy to ask an escort to joing them for dinner and unquestionably pick up a dinner tab either before or after an appointment. Rather than insult the client and/or ruin the future of your business relationsip, this guy ought to have thanked his client politely and told him he had other plans. He pushed the envelope and he not only ended up cashless, but with an empty belly. Dumb. Just dumb.

[happyguy2]

thank you BG,

you said it better than I did

 

hg

[Txpaytoplay]

Hang in there HG2....:-) :-)

 

I understand what you were saying....I would have discussed this with him after the second, or maybe third time he decided to leave early, and probably after he turned down the dinner offer in the way he did, would have ended our business arrangement then. I have found that I have much better physical relationships when I have built some sort of bond over time with an escort. Usually a trip to Starbucks or Dinner has always worked and I never have assumed and have always questioned if they would like to come along and as of yet have never been turned down. Hell, I have even had them buy me a drink or dinner before. You never know.....:-)