When Escorts Attack

[snoopy]

As this is my first posting after registering, I hope it makes sense to

all readers. What to do when an escort that you negatively review sends

a response that is a complete fabrication? On Oct. 25 I reviewed Alex #3 in DC. Well, I couldn't actually review him as he never showed. And

that was the basic thrust of my review. After numerous e-mails, supplying him with my cell phone number, hotel address, hotel phone number, he simply did not show. After I got home from the "no show" there was an e-mail from him with a lame excuse about studying with a friend. His response to my review was to create a story about showing up and me only offering $70, etc. etc. He had the wrong location for our supposed meeting and other errors. I suppose its a typical response for someone in the escorting business who wants to keep working. I see that

Alex #3 has received some favorable reviews. Perhaps my negative review

spurred him on to more professionalism. Any comments?

[LovesYng]

Well at least he did not say he was there and you smelled of BO, foul mouth odor, poor hygiene, shit hanging out your ass. You get the picture. Escorts are famous for saying that when they respond to a negative review so I guess you can count your blessing on that part

[MichiganMan]

Same thing happened to me when I did a negative review of Chris Rod in Boston. His response was VERY far from accurate....so I guess it's up to the educated reader to decide. After all, look at how many negative reviews Anthony Holloway gets and guys STILL hire him (or try to)! Recently, I arranged to meet with Kristian in LA. He confirmed by email, I called him and left a message. He NEVER returned my phone call and NEVER showed.... emailed me two days later AFTER I had already left LA with several excuses. In my opinion,not very professional to be able to extend the courtesy of a 30 second or so phone call....

[guyinsf]

What can you do beyond what you've already done? You told your story and he told his. Now you are posting here about it. That's all well and good, I suppose, but saying that you've been "attacked" seems to be hyperbolic to me. I suggest moving on and focusing your attention on something more positive.

[woodlawn]

> What to do when an escort that you negatively

>review sends

>a response that is a complete fabrication?

 

Just understand that when you choose to do business with people whom you know to be involved in prostitution, you should expect that many of them, like people involved in other crimes, will be dishonest. People who have a problem with deceit and subterfuge aren't likely to get involved in prostitution, since in that business one must employ deceit and subterfuge merely to survive.

 

 

 

> I see that

>Alex #3 has received some favorable reviews. Perhaps my

>negative review

>spurred him on to more professionalism. Any comments?

 

Or perhaps there are plenty of other people who would give him negative reviews but have been discouraged from doing so by observing that clients who do that get treated on this site as you have been treated.

 

After a couple of years of observing this site one thing I've learned is that positive reviews here don't tell one much if anything about how an escort will behave if one hires him. One regular poster on this message board has told us that an escort with multiple positive reviews penetrated him after he specifically refused permission for that. Another has told us that another well-reviewed escort barebacked him without permission. See what I mean?

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey guys!

 

I have been kind of busy lately and havent read a lot of what is hapenning here... However, I read this, and I almost fainted..

 

 

>Just understand that when you choose to do business with

>people whom you know to be involved in prostitution, you

>should expect that many of them, like people involved in other

>crimes, will be dishonest. People who have a problem with

>deceit and subterfuge aren't likely to get involved in

>prostitution, since in that business one must employ deceit

>and subterfuge merely to survive.

 

 

Do you think that it would be licit to say that a legal marriage between two men is "An illegal an imposible union" JUST BECAUSE in your country, several states think that it is simply not right?

 

I find it hard to accept when in this message board people keep referring to escorting or prostitution as a "cryme", "felony" or even better, as a "vice of character"!

 

All over the world, prostitution is going through a process of becoming a legitimate, well regulated profession. It is about time for this board to become aware of that fact, and stop treating escorts or people who hire them as "someone who incurrs in big risk by the intrinsic nature of the transaction itself".

 

I personally NEVER have used, or intend to "use deceit and subterfuge merely to survive", and I have never have to think about it in the time that I have been escorting.

 

The world is HUGE, and the laws and views about this profession go far beyond the borders of Arkansas.

 

As a proud Canadian, I felt that I had the urge to share this with you. I am sure that I am not alone.

 

Receive a warm hug from the cold north.

[VaHawk]

>>Just understand that when you choose to do business with

>>people whom you know to be involved in prostitution, you

>>should expect that many of them, like people involved in

>other

>>crimes, will be dishonest. People who have a problem with

>>deceit and subterfuge aren't likely to get involved in

>>prostitution, since in that business one must employ deceit

>>and subterfuge merely to survive.

>

>

>Do you think that it would be licit to say that a legal

>marriage between two men is "An illegal an imposible union"

>JUST BECAUSE in your country, several states think that it is

>simply not right?

 

Am I confused??? WTF does what woodlawn posted, in any way, equate to the Gay marriage issue in the U. S. ?????

>

>I find it hard to accept when in this message board people

>keep referring to escorting or prostitution as a "cryme",

>"felony" or even better, as a "vice of character"!

 

I believe, prostitution is illegal in every jurisdiction, in every state, in the U.S. except certain jurisdictions in Nevada. Even in those jurisdictions, prositution is limited to female upon male, and even that leeway is relegated to state sanctioned "houses" as conducting such business on the streets, as a freelancer, is not allowed.

>

>All over the world, prostitution is going through a process of

>becoming a legitimate, well regulated profession. It is about

>time for this board to become aware of that fact, and stop

>treating escorts or people who hire them as "someone who

>incurrs in big risk by the intrinsic nature of the transaction

>itself".

 

Since the majority of this board centers around escorts/prostitutes in the U. S., that is what the majority of the discussion on this board is about, and I assume that is what woodlawn confined his posting towards.

 

Prostitution in the U.S. will never, imo, be legal for a VERY LONG time, especially given the current opinions of the majority of the population, epitomized in the election that resulted in the current administration. As such, that leaves the escorting business in the U.S. wide open to less than "honest" people, who often rip off people, who have no legal recourse, as prostitution is ILLEGAL!

 

>I personally NEVER have used, or intend to "use deceit and

>subterfuge merely to survive", and I have never have to think

>about it in the time that I have been escorting.

 

That's just you, and your practice is to be lauded. However, that does not negate the prevalent practice of doing so, by many "hustlers" posing as escorts, here in the U.S.

 

 

>The world is HUGE, and the laws and views about this

>profession go far beyond the borders of Arkansas.

 

You could make your point, without resorting to the stereotypes. Your failure to do so, weakens your argument.

>

>As a proud Canadian, I felt that I had the urge to share this

>with you. I am sure that I am not alone.

 

As a proud American, I agree with your ideals, but did you have to express them in such a condescending attitude? ;-)

[KY_TOP]

There are many clients that will not submit a negative review for the very reason you address. They know odds are they will get slammed by the Escort's response if they mention something negative.I know with one Escort response, after I posted a negative review, said I had no self esteem. Hey, at least he didn't say I had BO as another has referenced is the standard Escort put down. But what would this site be worth if it did not warn others of the not so positive habits of some escorts. I have been amazed how many times others have told me that they had a horrible time with an Escort that I had a great time with. Yet they never write a review, especially if it is a popular Escort. I have always said if you are going to be a credible reviewer you will tell the bad and the good.

 

Thanks for sharing your review and realize that you have warned others and that is all you can do. The Escort gets the last word, as he should in order to not create a pissing match. Now it is up to potential clients to decide if they want to roll the dice and give the guy a try. Realize that many will defend an Escort no matter what. Also be aware that what a reviewer says can effect the Escort's business, both positive and negative. Anything he says about you will not effect your ability to make a living.

 

At the same time I have been impressed with some Escorts response to a negative review and would still consider hiring them. Everyone can have an off night and being honest about that and the situation is commendable.

[Flower]

>I suppose its a typical

>response for someone in the escorting business who wants to

>keep working. I see that

>Alex #3 has received some favorable reviews. Perhaps my

>negative review

>spurred him on to more professionalism. Any comments?

 

Let me get this straight--are you saying that YOU, as a person soliciting an escort for services, is somehow better or has better credibility than the escort you solicited? Why is that? Please explain.

 

I remember reading your whiny review over a "no show" and wondered what was the point--move on. Now that you are taking it to a new level, I'm wondering if you are not motivated by something more than getting "stood up." It seems to me you're obsessing and much more motivated than if you were just being "stood up," and I think it casts doubt on the credibility of you and your initial evaluation as well.

 

Even if your experience and multiple explanations and whining were true, why paint all escorts with the same brush as you have in your overly broad aspersions?

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Avoid The Void

 

I am going to pretend Woody has not posted his usual rant here and someone did not fall into the mistake of taking his bait, thus moving this thread off-topic.

 

That said, I agree: You were not attacked. Not by this escort, hopefully not by any other escort and, hopefully not even by random strangers wanting to commit specific acts of violence against you.

 

Since you are a newcomer to the site, you may have overlooked the rules and "frequently asked questions" portion of the site. Clients get to write whatever they want in a review. However, the escort, if he so chooses (and you all should note that a large number never do chose) can respond. The escort gets the final said.

 

That said, clients can, and as proven in your case, often do comment after the Escort Response here on the Message Center. Obviously, some clients never come here, in my opinion most rarely do, so the comments on the MC may never be read. But you are welcome to post here to your hearts content.

 

In this case, you have made your comments and stated your case. There is not much else or more you can do, other than belabor this particular subject, which you are also welcome to do. Obviously, cetain people do this all the time on this site.

 

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

[KY_TOP]

> Now that you are taking

>it to a new level, I'm wondering if you are not motivated by

>something more than getting "stood up." It seems to me

>you're obsessing and much more motivated than just being

>"stood up", and I think it casts doubt on the credibility of

>you and your initial evaluation as well.

>

 

It is a legitimate issue to raise that Clients that write negative or No Show reviews sometimes get negative comments from the Escort in return. That is common knowledge by most that hang out here. He is new to the board and asked for comments, and got several. Seems like you are the one that needs to get over it.

[woodlawn]

>Do you think that it would be licit to say that a legal

>marriage between two men is "An illegal an imposible union"

>JUST BECAUSE in your country, several states think that it is

>simply not right?

 

"Several states"? At present there are 49 of 50 states in America in which same-sex marriage is not legal. On November 2, eleven different states asked their residents to vote on the issue and in each state a substantial majority voted to ban same-sex marriage. It's not that same-sex marriage was legal in those states before the vcte -- it's that voters in those states wanted to make sure that it would NEVER become legal in the future. If I am not mistaken, those eleven states by themselves have a larger population than all the provinces of Canada put together.

 

I believe same-sex marriage is also illegal in the overwhelming majority of countries in the world. Countries in which same-sex marriage is officially recognized are a very small minority. Isn't that true? How many countries can you name in which same-sex marriage is legal?

 

>I find it hard to accept when in this message board people

>keep referring to escorting or prostitution as a "cryme",

>"felony" or even better, as a "vice of character"!

 

Then you should stop coming to an American website in which most of the participants are Americans. Because in America that is the way the vast majority of our people think of the matter. If it really rubs you the wrong way, so much so that reading about such sentiments makes you feel like you are going to pass out, you'd be well advised to spend your time someplace else.

 

>All over the world, prostitution is going through a process of

>becoming a legitimate, well regulated profession. It is about

>time for this board to become aware of that fact, and stop

>treating escorts or people who hire them as "someone who

>incurrs in big risk by the intrinsic nature of the transaction

>itself".

 

I don't think what you say above is true. In fact, based on what I read anti-prostitution attitudes are hardening, not disappearing, in Europe and Asia due to the issue of sex tourism, among other reasons. And I see no evidence that attitudes are changing here in America either.

 

>I personally NEVER have used, or intend to "use deceit and

>subterfuge merely to survive", and I have never have to think

>about it in the time that I have been escorting.

 

That's great. But you can't be paying much attention to this message board if you haven't noticed that the same is NOT true for many of the prostitutes discussed here.

 

>The world is HUGE, and the laws and views about this

>profession go far beyond the borders of Arkansas.

 

So what? Here in America prostitution is a crime. I don't think it is a particularly controversial statement to say that as a general rule prostitutes here conceal what they do from others both to protect themselves from the legal consequences of their actions and to protect themselves from the disapproval most people feel about what they do. So in this country, prostitution is not a business one can be in if one is not willing to be untruthful with other people on a regular basis. It would be like taking a job as a window-washer if one is afraid of heights, wouldn't it?

[Donnie]

>After a couple of years of observing this site one thing I've

>learned is that

 

..woodlawn's got a lot of extra time on his hands.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Most of us are in the same boat...

 

>>Just understand that when you choose to do business with

>>people whom you know to be involved in prostitution, you

>>should expect that many of them, like people involved in

>other

>>crimes, will be dishonest. People who have a problem with

>>deceit and subterfuge aren't likely to get involved in

>>prostitution, since in that business one must employ deceit

>>and subterfuge merely to survive.

>

 

Don't take this too personally Juan. This brush paints the client side with the same color. In fact, travelling down this road, it can be argued easily that the client is the worse side of the equation. It is a fact that clients subborn this 'crime' through solicitation over the internet or through newspaper or magazine adds. The exception being the disappearing street scene where the seller may initiate the discussion.

 

So don't take it personally. This statement damns all of us that hire too. Don't let it concern you at all actually. -- I reject it as a general proposition and I suspect that many here do. Different people have different views. I assess people based first on their actions and second on their words. Their occupation is unimportant to me with the possible exception of lawyers and car salesmen. :+

[BobbyThompson]

>Just understand that when you choose to do business with

>people whom you know to be involved in prostitution, you

>should expect that many of them, like people involved in other

>crimes, will be dishonest. People who have a problem with

>deceit and subterfuge aren't likely to get involved in

>prostitution, since in that business one must employ deceit

>and subterfuge merely to survive.

>

I have to say...it's a decent generalization. *SURPRISE* People who are criminals; sometimes they're liars as well.

 

Of course, the flip side of that arguement is the people who employ prostitutes utilize just as much subterfuge and deceit as the escort. The client is no more pious or innocent than I am. Many of my clients are closetted, some married with children. No, no subterfuge there.

 

He's right as well that reviews aren't always a guarantee that Mother Theresa will show up at your door, but they're still a good tool. If someone has 10 positive reviews, it's less likely he'll hit you with a brick and run than someone with no reviews.

 

Cheers

[woodlawn]

>Of course, the flip side of that arguement is the people who

>employ prostitutes utilize just as much subterfuge and deceit

>as the escort. The client is no more pious or innocent than I

>am. Many of my clients are closetted, some married with

>children. No, no subterfuge there.

 

That's exactly what I've often said to escorts who come to this board to complain that a client has cheated or lied to them -- you engage in deceit in order to make money, so why would you expect that other people involved in the same sort of thing will be any more scrupulous than you are? Dealing with dishonest people is one of the occupational hazards of being involved in crime. I know of no place other than the topsy-turvy world of "Hooville" where people consider that to be a controversial statement.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Most of us are in the same boat...

 

>...or through newspaper or magazine adds.

 

Should have read:

 

or through initiating phone calls to newspaper or magazine adds.

 

[Flower]

He is new to the board

 

......and what do you base that assumption on? I would be more likely to accept the "new poster" routine if he were posting something without an ax to grind as his first post.

[noviceny]

Some of my best friends are "criminals"...