Saturday's Resonse by Vincent and Tommy #3

[Guest alanm]

I do not know either Vincent and Tommy #3. However, the reviewer is well known up and down the east coast as a jerk, according to what a number of escorts have told me privately (none of whom are presently employed by an escort agencies). I am not surprised that he tried to start another coupling just before the session was over. The knock on him is that he is cold and unfriendly, tries to extend the sessions beyond the time limit without paying and does not tip.

 

I have never posted comments critical of a fellow client before. In this instance the reviewer might actually be correct -- I was not there --- but since his reputation amongst escorts is so bad Vincent and Tommy #3 need some support. This posting will cause trouble, because the reviewer will want to know which escorts have talked, so be it. It is time that someone spoke up about the reviewer.

[vabballfan]

>I do not know either Vincent and Tommy #3. However, the

>reviewer is well known up and down the east coast as a jerk,

>according to what a number of escorts have told me privately

>(none of whom are presently employed by an escort agencies). I

>am not surprised that he tried to start another coupling just

>before the session was over. The knock on him is that he is

>cold and unfriendly, tries to extend the sessions beyond the

>time limit without paying and does not tip.

 

I don't know you, you don't know me and you have no idea if I am the same person that you claim "escorts have talked about".

 

I have never tried to extend sessions beyond a time limit without paying and tip escorts more than 80% of the time. If I want the session to go longer than the originally agreed upon time, I'm more than willing to pay. I did that in Philadelphia the last time I saw Kristian and Josh. We extended to an hour an a half only 30 minutes into the call. As far as tipping goes, I might think twice about tipping if the escort is charging more than $250 per hour. However, even though Kristian was at $250 an hour this last trip to Philadelphia and I hired him for an hour and a half, he got tipped as did Josh. You must have me confused with someone else.

 

I'm also not cold and unfriendly. I may not be doing cartwheels around the room while I'm with an escort so while I may be laid back and not super aggressive I am certainly not unfriendly and/or cold.

 

I am a regular client of Premier in Philadelphia and I am always welcomed by Scott, Tim or Nick/Tony there with a hug. As an example, I've been with Josh several times and Kristian (Houston/LA) three times at Premier and there are always hugs and kisses and a "make sure you book me when I come back to town".

 

By the way, I typically hire escorts through an agency - probably 70% of the time I hire.

 

>I have never posted comments critical of a fellow client

>before. In this instance the reviewer might actually be

>correct -- I was not there --- but since his reputation

>amongst escorts is so bad Vincent and Tommy #3 need some

>support. This posting will cause trouble, because the reviewer

>will want to know which escorts have talked, so be it. It is

>time that someone spoke up about the reviewer.

 

I am correct. Despite the agency's response, Vincent stated he has only bottomed for a client two times in three years - maybe he's a versatile top, but certainly can't be considered "versatile" as tier site states.

 

Since you haven't indicated which escorts have "talked", these are nebulous claims by you without being sure I am the same person they have talked to you about.

 

I really don't care which escorts you claim have talked about me. If they have discussed one client with another they should be ashamed of themselves. An escort's encounter with a client should never be discussed with another client - they should exhibit discretion.

 

Maybe you should look at the fact that they discussed another client with you - they may be discussing their encounter with you with another client -- not very cool.

 

I would be very weary of an escort that discussed another client with me. I would probably suspect they were trying to deflect poor performance or lack of performance away from themselves.

 

By the way, when I clicked on the link for "alanm"'s profile, the following was displayed: "ERROR: No such user profile The user has disabled his/her user profile". Isn't that a little suspicious... maybe alanm is not a client but Tommy, Vincent or one of the guys on the phones at Maximum...

 

Another point - the next evening after my call with Tommy and Vincent I hired Matt and Mason from Chelsea Guys - you'll notice the review that has gone up of Mason is a glowing review. They were both fantasitc and certainly didn't have any problems with me. Both of them said they'd love to see me again when I come back to New York. Both were tipped also even though the agency fee per escort was $300.

 

I'm a big believer in the statement that you get what you pay for. I just don't appreciate it when I don't get what I pay for and the escort doesn't even come close.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Saturday's Response

 

Vabballfan

Very classy response to having had unsubstantiated garbage thrown into your face.

[LovesYng]

>I'm a big believer in the statement that you get what you pay

>for. I just don't appreciate it when I don't get what I pay

>for and the escort doesn't even come close.

 

Now I see why people don't like to write negative reviews on someone. It just seems when we do we get put up on the cross to die.

 

What's the point of having a review site. Every escort works different with people, sometimes they click & sometimes they don't, that's why we do have the review site.. The escort is running a business, if the service is not good I want people to know about it, to each their own.

 

If other escorts have negative things to say about the client as he goes up & down the east coast they should be the one saying something in here, not word of mouth or second hand information. Like to hear the opinion right from the escort mouth and not hear say chat.

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[vabballfan]

RE: Saturday's Response

 

>Vabballfan

>Very classy response to having had unsubstantiated garbage

>thrown into your face.

 

Thanks.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if "alanM" was one of the escorts or someone at Maximum.

 

Gee, lets see - male population on the East Coas probably over 50 million men - yep, that person an escort talked about has got to be the guy that posted a bad review about two escorts in NY. Couldn't be anyone else...

[OneFinger]

Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

I certainly don't to get in the middle of the shit-throwing contest between alanm and Vabballfan. But there was something about the responses that did bother me. It "appears" to be written by someone at the agency and NOT the specific escorts.

 

I'm assuming that the actual author of the response was not present at the session. So, is it really value-added or even appropriate for the response to come from someone other than the actual escort?

 

I'd certainly welcome the agency's involvement in the Message Center discussion. But, it bothers me that that actual escorts didn't write their own response.

 

Has this happened before? Is anyone else bothered by this?

[joel304]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

Having used Maximum on two occasions, I tend to side with the reviewer on this case. Maximum, on each occasion, did not come close to the services provided by Campus. Their guys are not as friendly or professional. The fact that the agency responded, rather than the reviewed escorts, furthers this claim.

[vabballfan]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

Thank you for your support.

 

The point is that Tommy claimed he couldn't bottom because he had bottomed the night before and he was too sore. If that is the truth, he shouldn't have gone on a call where I specifically said I wanted two versatile escorts.

 

If the reason wasn't he didn't want to bottom for me specifically, he should have said that when he walked in the hotel room door, asked for cab fare and been on his way. No harm, no foul.

 

Same goes for Vincent.

 

Never ceases to amaze me. Bad review, reviewer gets slammed by someone who doesn't know me from fucking Adam and is going on the supposition that "someone" that "other escorts" have talked about to him as a client of thiers has to be me. What a fucking joke.

 

If I'm so horrible, why did I do a three way with Aussie Travis and one of his top-only friends and have a great time and be told to call when I'm in NYC again? Why did I do a three way with Mason and Matt from Chelsea Guys for one of the best times I've had? Why did I do a single call with an independent escort who said that even though he is mostly top would willingly bottom for me next time we get together?

 

I'm getting to the point that I'll just "shut my mouth" and not post a bad review and others waste their money on escorts that don't perform.

 

Where are the moderators of this forum, anyway?

[+ Lucky]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

"Where are the moderators of this forum, anyway?"

 

They are on a well-deserved vacation at a small, very private facility somewhere in the Poconos. Their Internet access has been cut off to ensure their proper rest. Doctors, oops, I mean, their hosts state that the guests are doing well and expected to return to Hooville at an indefinite time.

[Guest alanm]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

I know exactly who you are --- does traveling to various cities from the DC area by train ring a bell? I have never been associated with the escort agency in question, or any other escort agency.

 

To Lucky, believe me I thought long and hard about whether to post this morning. I did not do it lightly. I also knew that no escorts were likely to post, because this client spents a lot of money at various escort agencies. It is very unusual for escorts to talk about another client in such a negative way, which is exactly why I did speak up.

 

I stand by all my earlier comments.

[+ Unicorn]

I'm sorry, Alan, but I think you're full of s**t. }( I looked at VA ball fan's prior reviews, and all but one were very positive. He's obviously an experienced client who knows his escorts. Also, it's pretty obvious you couldn't know who he is unless he hired you (either as an escort or an agency). Neither do I believe that some escort (let alone a number of them) just called you out of the blue to badmouth him. Fourthly, why would most escorts badmouth him when he's written wonderful things about most of them? Fifthly, it's quite obvious to anyone who's read this message center over the years that most clients don't tip (especially at the $300 range) to begin with.

I also agree with most of the other posters that one can't put much credibility into a third-party response written by an agency owner or employee who wasn't even present at the encounter.

[Barry]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

>I'm getting to the point that I'll just "shut my mouth" and

>not post a bad review and others waste their money on escorts

>that don't perform.

>

>Where are the moderators of this forum, anyway?

 

Why would you not post a bad review again if warranted? Let's review.

 

- You submit a negative review and it's published.

- It's responded to in defense, not by the escorts, but clearly by the Agency. That says something.

- One person defends the escorts in the MC and blames it all on you.

- You respond to that and so far everyone else who has responded has more or less "sided" with you.

 

So why would you "shut my mouth"? And what exactly would you like the moderators to do?

 

Barry

[Barry]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

I wish. :+

 

Barry

[vabballfan]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

>I know exactly who you are --- does traveling to various

>cities from the DC area by train ring a bell? I have never

>been associated with the escort agency in question, or any

>other escort agency.

 

You are a total asshole. Do you really think I'm stupid enough to not remember the following written in one of my reviews?

 

They are definitely quite good together and the guys

at Premier were right again. All that and pickup and

delivery service to the train station included!

 

Gee, the fact that I have taken a train to Philly to go to Premier could only be told to you by an escort! All you had to do was read one of the reviews I wrote to know that. Not only that, Nick/Tony at Premier used to have escorts pick clients up at the train station when they were in a different area of Philadelphia. He said they picked up four or five clients at the train every single day.

 

You obviously have a lot of problems. Why would you question a bad review I wrote? It was the experience I happened to have with those two guys. Some of the statements that the escorts made to me were told to the Maximum office. When I spoke to them the next day they told me the escort had confirmed what I told them. In fact, they offered another escort at half rate - I decided to give them another try and the escort never showed up and never called.

 

I have only written one bad review in the past prior to the reviews for Tommy and Vincent. "alanm" - why do you want to make writing a bad review such a hassle that no one wants to give an honest account of what actually happens? Even if one or more escorts told you things about me, what would make you believe them? I'm sure that all of the escorts you have met are fine, upstanding, law abiding, totally honest citizens.

 

By the way, I only take the train to Philly - it's usually easier than driving and saves a lot of time. Lots of people take the train to Philly from DC.

 

Lucky, LovesYng, OneFinger, Joel304 and Unicorn -thanks for the support.

 

Barry - the only reason why I asked where the moderators were was this is the type of thread that would have been removed in the past by the moderators as being inappropriate since it has nothing to do with an escort but is taking pot shots at a client that posted a bad review. I thought that in the past responses to reviews were only from escorts and posted along with the review.

[+ deej]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

>Where are the moderators of this forum, anyway?

 

Enjoying the catfight. }(

[NickAtNight]

This is Nick from PREMIER

 

I'm quite familier with both Vaballfan as well as Alanm.

 

1) The very reason Kristian was ever associated with PREMIER way back in April of 2002 was because of a recomendation by Alanm. He E-Mailed me to tell me about this Hot New Hung Escort that just emerged onto the escort scene down in Houston and since we bring in Special Guests from out of town on occassion, why not E-Mail him and ask him to come up to Philly for a visit. So that's exactly what I did and Kristian's been coming to Philly every year since. So if it wasn't for Alanm then Vaballfan may have never had the opportunity to meet Kristian.

 

2) Both Alanm and Vaballfan have been long time clients of PREMIER and we've have never had any problems with either of them.

 

3) Vaballfan - I can assure you that Alanm is NOT an escort or is associated with any agency. He is a long time client here at PREMIER in very good standing. The reason his name Alanm comes up in ERROR is because all of his reviews are under the Handle: Philly2053. All of his reviews have been positive from what I've read.

 

4) Alanm - Sorry but I believe you have Vaballfan mixed up with someone else. If you look at any of his reviews they are not up and down the East Coast but confined to the DC, Phila and NY markets with the exception of San Francisco, London & Sao Paulo. Kristian mentioned to me that you and he were on your computer and this site the night you had him for the overnight and I'm sure he may have mentioned a few of his clients, including Vaballfan and the fact that he takes the train up to Philly to see escorts at Premier. If I'm not mistaken, you mention your overnight with Kristian in several threads here on the Message Center and the fact that he was sitting naked at your computer which was quite a sight.

 

5) I don't know what occurred in NYC with Tommy #3 & Vincent so I can't comment. However, as an owner of an agency I can tell you that when you get a request from a client for a duo, you better make sure that the two escorts in question are experienced with each other in previous duos or they discuss in length what they will or will not do with a client. We've had experiences in the past where an escort will get "Down & Dirty" or "Extremely Intimate" with a client on a 1 on 1 situation however, when it comes to a duo and that same escort is with another escort from the same agency along with that same client, he may freeze up and not get so "Down & Dirty" or "Extremely Intimate" like before becasue he doesn't want his co-worker to see him be that personal with a client. We have at least 4 escorts on our staff right now that will not do duos for that very reason.

 

Hopefully I've cleared up a bit of confusion on both sides and hope I didn't offend either Alanm or Vaballfan in any way.

 

NICK http://www.PremierEscorts.com

[Guest Mikel]

Just an honest question for the agency...no sarcasm is intended...it's just an honest question...

 

If the agency defends the "alleged" behaviors of the escorts on the basis of an "alleged" rash on the abdomin of the client, why did the agency volunteer to send another escort the following night at a reduced rate? If the rash, in the perspective of the agency, was a legimate safety/health concern, why why put another escort in harms way?

 

That was the only issue that came to my mind as I read the response. Just am honest question. I am sure there is an honest answer.

[+ Unicorn]

RE: Should Non-Escort Responses be Allowed?

 

Don't mind Alan M. Anyone with at least 7 brain cells can tell he's full of c**p.