Born-Again David Gardner??

[OneFinger]

I just read the latest e-mail from LA escort David Gardner in the E Briefs section.

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/email.html

 

Am I the only one scratching my head wondering what's going on with that boy? He's either been born again, gone off the deep end, or is messing with our minds (again).

[joel304]

Maybe having Mom read about your ability to suck cock has its drawbacks? Lets be real. Escorting is masked (barely) prostitution. People engage in this work for many reasons. Most reasons, however, are not the noble ones.

[Rick Munroe]

>People engage in this work for many reasons.

>Most reasons, however, are not the noble ones.

 

What are the noble and ignoble reasons for escorting? I'd be interested to find out where I fall.

[+ glutes]

Guess I'm waxing political here, but isn't Geo. W. Bush sort of a 'born again?'? (And look what he's doing...)

Methinks Gartner is pulling our chain a little bit.

[Guest JustStarting]

Noble reasons: Young, handsome men, feeling sorry for aging, balding, lonely guys, give up their bodies for any conceivable activity to alleviate the suffering and depression of their clients.

 

Ignoble reasons: Money, money, money to buy drugs, drugs, drugs.

 

Rick's Reasons: Young handsome man, feeling compassion for many men (conservatives excluded), shares his body for reasonably safe activities to bring (temporary) joy to the client and money to buy dolls, CD's and junk.

[Guest JustStarting]

I disagree. I recall reading posts from David that resembled the recent Devon journal. David seemed to me to be an intense young man in a lot of stress. He was proud of his past track success, but, I thought, looking for a new challenge and purpose in life. Isn't he the escort who regaled us with his cross country trip? If he's the one, I recall feeling that he was desperately searching for some sense of fulfillment and gradually came to the conclusion that the sex industry was not going to provide it for him.

 

While I know that many on this site disparage religion, for some, religious structure can provide a respite and comfort and sense of purpose. I never met David, but I hope that he has indeed left the life which he found so difficult and has found something more comfortable and pleasing to him.

 

Anticipating the anti-religion posts to come, let me defend the above as follows:

 

1. "Religion just provides a basis for anti-gay paranoia and hatred." Well, yes, many organized religions are anti-gay, but so are many non-religious based systems. I believe that you will find that Hitler killed far more gays than any born agains in the US.

 

2. "More wars and killings have come because of religion than anything else." Well, in the 20th century, I believe you'll find the largest mass murderers were Hitler (not religious), Stalin (not religious), and Pol Pot (not religious).

 

So yes, some use religion as a basis for hatred and even murder (see, for example Sheik Bin Laden.) Others use religion as a cover for pedophilia (see your local archdiocese). Others, however, base enormous charities (hospitals, universities, etc) because of religion. Like all other human institutions, religion can be a force for great evil and great good.

 

If David Gartner really has used religion to find a new path in life, shouldn't we rejoice in his triumph?

[kjun]

>Noble reasons: Young, handsome men, feeling sorry for aging,

>balding, lonely guys, give up their bodies for any conceivable

>activity to alleviate the suffering and depression of their

>clients.

 

You can't possibly be serious!:9

 

the Cajun

[jaden]

LOL @ it all

 

 

Noble!?!?! ... I guess that would be doing it (due to lack of inability to earn money other ways)in order to pay for some poor dying relative's kemo or medications or something.

 

 

 

*still ponders why so many attractive guys pay for escorts*

[Michael]

>*still ponders why so many attractive guys pay for escorts*

 

Because it is such a *convenient* way to get what you want with no strings attached.

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick's Reasons: Young handsome man, feeling compassion

 

Hmmm...I don't think it's really compassion. It's more a constant horniness and a desire to share in other guys' horniness. }( The compassion only comes into play in the rare situations where someone is troubled and needs a friend. Most of the time, that isn't the case.

 

>for many men (conservatives excluded),

 

That's really untrue. I do not dislike conservatives at all; many of my clients are conservatives and some of my friends/family are conservatives. Yes, I am doing my part to help get Bush out of office but it is not because he is conservative but rather because he is, IMPO (in many people's opinions, including the above-mentioned conservative friends/family) more a radical right evangelical ideologue than a true conservative.

 

>shares his body for

>reasonably safe activities

 

Reasonably safe? Well, I guess if sucking without letting a guy cum in your mouth, fucking with condoms, and getting fingered with finger cots are considered reasonably safe, then it's true. I prefer to think of it as safe, period.

 

>to bring (temporary) joy to the

>client

 

I also like to bring joy to myself and Derek, too. I want everyone to be happy, otherwise the client will not be happy.

 

>and money to buy dolls, CD's and junk.

 

Actually, it's more like NYC rent, food and other necessities (and shut up about the dolls! I have them cleverly hidden so Derek will not find out!) :o

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Eh. *shrugs* Who knows what this all means...

 

However, i can say that hiding this profession from a parent and consequentally having them find out through browsing the web can be a seriously stressing thing. Adding insult to injury, Mr. Gartner also partook (under a different handle) in a bit of filmed porn.

 

When you're this brazen with renting out your image, sooner or later someone in your family or circle of friends is bound to find out. It's probably best in that respect to just be upfront with mom & dad and see what happens. Granted, they may disown you, but if they find out months (or years) later, they'll probably disown you then too. Ignorance is forever is most cases, but a loving parent usually has the power to handle just about anything.

 

If David really has 'found God' then more power to him. I've seen the teachings of the bible work wonders for those who had no direction in life. It's very much a free spiritual therapy for some people. The book gives them something concrete to believe in and therefore they're able to believe in themselves.

 

 

... and no, i didn't steal that line from Benny Hinn

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[+ Lucky]

RE: Born-Again Benjamin Nicholas??

 

Just think, if Benjamin were to be born again, then there would be two of him for us to enjoy!

[Guest ncm2169]

Excuse me, is everyone talking about the same person here? The post (or at least as it appeared on this site) was from David GarDner, not David GarTner. Also, the post says he (David GarDner) is going home to Jamaica. I thought David GarTner was from Toronto, or at least a Canadian citizen.

 

Just wondering...

[N.N.]

>Excuse me, is everyone talking about the same person here?

>The post (or at least as it appeared on this site) was from

>David GarDner, not David GarTner. Also, the

>post says he (David GarDner) is going home to Jamaica. I

>thought David GarTner was from Toronto, or at least a Canadian

>citizen.

 

I can't comment about the Jamaica part, but I think the d is a typo.

 

There is no David Gardner listed in the So. Calif. section,

 

David Gartner's listing says he's no longer in the biz as of this month,

 

and http://www.davidgartner.com no longer resolves to a numeric IP address.

[Barry]

>David Gartner's listing says he's no longer in the biz

>as of this month,

>

>and http://www.davidgartner.com no longer resolves to a numeric IP

>address.

 

David Gartner changed his escorting name a while ago to Bobby Benson to match his porn name.

 

http://www.adultvideonews.com/gay/gayfotb0903_01.html

 

Barry

[Rick Munroe]

>David Gartner changed his escorting name a while ago to Bobby

>Benson to match his porn name.

 

And wasn't he partnering with Karl DeVito? :+

[Guest ReturnOfS]

>Excuse me, is everyone talking about the same person here?

>The post (or at least as it appeared on this site) was from

>David GarDner, not David GarTner. Also, the

>post says he (David GarDner) is going home to Jamaica. I

>thought David GarTner was from Toronto, or at least a Canadian

>citizen.

>

>Just wondering...

 

I really should read this part of the site much more often. I have always been a fan of David since he went by another name when he was on flirt4free and boyscondo.

 

David is from Toronto, but by way of Jamaica. I think that he was born there.

 

I hope that whatever David is going through is for the best. More power to him.

[OneFinger]

>I hope that whatever David is going through is for the best. More power to him.

 

I echo your feelings on this. If his post was serious, then I hope he's happy with his new direction.

 

But, his previous posts on this site have been so unpredictable, I don't know when he's serious, just looking for attention, or trying to "kill" another identity so he can surface under a new name. I think he's cried "wolf" one time too many.

[+ Unicorn]

I guess he does kind of look like a young Robbie Benson. Well, Jamaica is the most anti-gay country in the Western Hemisphere. A gay activist there was recently brutally murdered. I hope he'll be OK. He's not exactly anonymous. He could probably have gained asylum in the U.S. had he wanted it.

[DavidGartner]

From David Gartner - to clear the air

 

Hello everyone,

 

I just want everyone to call me by my real name which is Matthew. My Dad is Jamaican and my mom is Canadian. My mom had found out that I was an escort because I had accidentally emailed her from my business account and she went to the web address but that is one of many reasons why I turned to God. I thought I would check the message board to see if anyone had spoken about me since I had retired.. and so they have. I never knew my letter to hooboy had been posted anywhere. I am a strong person, as many of you had stated ( I thank you ). I really had no direction in life... I was doing horrible things to myself. I was scared for my life... I was missing appointments becasue of all the drug abuse I was getting into.. up for days and days.. and my mind was messed up... I tryed to commit suicide last year becasue of some drug use and ended up in the psychiatric ward for trying to kill myself. I messed around with 2 guys that I KNEW were HIV positive and it was unprotected... for reasons I dont know..The person I was living with contstantly kept hitting on me.. wanting me to join in orgies.. and it was insane.. I wasnt like that.. I just love to intimate part of being with a boy.. cuddling and kissing and getting to know one another..

Alas, I meet a boy that I fall inlove with and he breaks my heart as I finally told him what I did ( escort ) but someone who was jealous of our friendship had already told him... he stopped talking to me.. and it absolutely crushed me... He is a plague.. I think about him everynight.. everynight before bed... he gave me life.. a cute boy.. that was soo nice to me... always treating me with such respect... had gone through drug rehab.. and was only 17... yes i know young.. but he made such a profound impact on me that it brought me to tears many nights.

Sometimes I would sit in my bed.. and God would briefly enter my mind and what he must think of me.. all I could mutter was "im soo sorry..soo sorry.. I dont know what to do" I could only ever escort in California as I had no work permit.. so i had little options in surviving in the US... I knew the step would be to move away from the US.. but it was a huge decision.. I got into a huge fight with the person I was living with and he kicked me out... but promised that he would send me home.. I had little friends now since all my money was gone.. so I had no hold on California... nothing to keep me there.. and the love of my life was gone... so I had made the decision to move home to Jamaica.. I reached here.. and my head cleared up.. I feel 100% awesome.. im never depressed anymore.. ive been working out and Ive gained 25 LBS!!! I praise GOD!! He is my saviour!! I was tested and im negative in everything!! thank GOD!! I believe God also turned that boy away from me becasue he knew that if that had no happened I may not have moved away from California. I have been reading the Bible. It says in Chronicles " Do not hate your neighbour, rather resolve your issues as hate causes you to sin and if you love your neighbour like you love yourself then you will please the Lord" **The Good News Bible** I pray to God everynight for my new beginning... and the more I turned to the Light the more his messages to me became clear. I only make a decision for myself but he chooses the actions in which I will accomplish it.

It is really quite amazing what one will say to himself after awhile to make "escorting" seem right or acceptable. I mean when I was doing it.. I never thought anything about it.. I knew something was bothering me but I used the power of words and just kept telling myself I love this job.. but after I moved away and since Jamaica is a homophobic society I found out escorting was like a drug addiction.. everytime i needed money.. I couldnt get it.. since I was here.. after a few months.. that addiction went away.. and I made a solemn vow to the Lord that I would never do that again. I really think that many escorts out there whether they realize it or not.. this HAS changed you... its just up to the escort I guess whether the change is acceptable or not.

God DOES say that being gay is wrong but it also says that he is a merciful God and will forgive you as long as you repent your sins and faithfully serve him. The Old Testament is only a fragment of truth and it doesnt talk about homosexuality so much as it teaches his people to be faithful to him and in turn he will give you prosperity.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this. I thank God for everything, for my life, for my Dad and for giving me a second chance. I have enrolled into the Univserity of Toronto for Winter 2005 and hopefully in 2 years time apply to Law School...God Willing.

 

With Love and Respect

Matt aka David Gartner

[duke37]

RE: From David Gartner - to clear the air

 

David (Matt)

 

Good luck to you. I think a lot of the guys here are glad you ended up okay with no permanent consequences. Do good in school and have a good life. Perhaps, remember some of the guys who hired you fondly.

 

Jeff

[Rick Munroe]

RE: From David Gartner - to clear the air

 

>It is really quite amazing what one will say to himself

>after awhile to make "escorting" seem right or acceptable.

 

In case anyone's wondering, what I say is, "It sure beats catering, plus I get to touch naked guys!"

 

>I found out

>escorting was like a drug addiction..

 

Well, you were addicted to drugs and it landed you in the psychiatric ward. Escorting was your source of income; whatever job you held would have enabled you to buy drugs.

 

>God DOES say that being gay is wrong

 

Well, then it's a good thing I don't believe in him.

 

Good luck to you, David. Glad to hear your life is on a healthier track.

[JamesK840]

RE: From David Gartner - to clear the air

 

>God DOES say that being gay is wrong

 

Right next to where "he says" it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery or next to where "he says" somebody should be killed for wearing clothes of different threads?

 

I'm with Rick there, and am also glad you're off drugs (though a little sad I won't get to experience you without the bouncing off all 4 walls and the ceiling, running to the bathroom for one reason after another every 5 minutes...).

 

I'm very glad you are doing something positive. Good luck! Study hard and keep an open mind, and remember there are many paths to wisdom in addition to that one allegedly good book.

[nate_sf]

RE: From David Gartner - to clear the air

 

It's good to get your update and hear that you're OK.

 

But I just want to make a distinction, that it is not God who says homosexuality is wrong, it's the Bible. This is an important distinction for any gay person who is having trouble reconciling his faith with his sexuality.

 

Also, I encourage you to attend Alcoholics Anonymous or NA meetings if they're available where you're at, or when you get to Toronto for law school. While a church can provide you with a lot of personal and social support, overcoming a drug dependency has some unique issues that your church may or may not fully address. My boyfriend is clean and sober, as well as many of my friends, and I've seen how important AA has been for getting and staying cleaned up.

 

Good luck!

[woodlawn]

RE: From David Gartner - to clear the air

 

Ah, the glamorous life of a young gay escort. Drugs, attempted suicide, visits to the mental ward, casual affairs with other fucked-up kids, poverty, the embarrassment of having one's family find out . . . who wouldn't be envious?