Has this ever happened to you???

[Okliehomo]

Well, since it is Memorial Weekend, I decided to make it memorable, and belive me, it was....I hired a guy Friday nite and had an okay time, Nothing review worthy, but veyr nice. Then I flew another guy in on Sat nite. Hot Eastern European porn star. To start the evening off, his plane was delayed almost an hour. Not his fault. Then when we get back to the hotel, he asks to take a shower. So, I turn on the TV. There is a huge storm producing baseball size hail and possible tornadoes about an hour outside of the city. I have a brand new SUV and no covered parking. So I am watching the TV with one eye and him drying off and putting on white CK bikini briefs with the other. And I have NEVER seen a body like his. Have had many, many escorts and he was truly the most perfectly built guy that I have ever seen. Hairy below the waist and smooth as silk above it. Naturally worked out, with incedible definition, and a gorgeous face, sexy accent and the ass of death. Yet the storm is comimg...so I take him to dinner at an restaurant where there is covered parking. We eat and he is sweet and charming as Hell. Well, the storm completely misses us and we head back to the room. Once there, we watch a little more weather, just to be sure...then we go to the bedroom and it's all working. Kissing, body contact, me sucking his big, uncut dick...he's hard as a rock and grinding into me. I turn him over and eat that perfect ass and then, flip him on his back, raise his legs to my shoulders and continue to tongue fuck his hairy, and impeccably clean hole. We take a tiny break at this point...he jumps up from the bed and clutches his stomach and races to the bathroom. The first of many trips. The man is sick as a dog, and of course, I can hear him and of course, despite the candle and air freshener that I brought from home, there is no doubt what is happening. So, since rimming is my middle name, the mood is dampened....and then some.

 

Well, he is sick all night. Fever, chills and a couple more bathroom breaks. Around 6:30 am, I get up and go to the couch in the other room. Then I go out and get him some Gatorade, Tylenol, and some Immodium AD because he has to fly in about 6 hours. He wakes up and takes the meds and then sleeps til about 10. I go back to sleep on the couch as well. When he wakes up, he is very embarressed, and feels "shamed". Eventually, we both shower and since he feels better, we do have sex. I cum once with him and then it is time for him to leave. Usually, during an overnite, I cum 5-6 times. That may seem greedy, but that's what I expect, and have rarely been disappointed.

 

His fee was $1000, and none of this was within his control. What should I have paid him???

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Definitely a 'shit happens' moment~

 

Well, first off, it's great to see that you didn't immediately fly off the handle, submit some horrible review and complain incessantly about the experience. It seemed to be just one of those freak happenings that an escort (or otherwise) doesn't ever want as part of his evening. I'm also glad you felt for this guy and went to the trouble of getting some Imodium, etc. It shows good character and i'm sure he appreciated that...

 

Now, as far as his fee goes, that's a matter of communication. Hopefully you let him know beforehand that you expected multiple sexual (4-5) experiences that night, therefore when the time came for payment, he wasn't dissapointed with his reduced fee. My 'Miss Cleo' psychic powers aren't functioning too well today, but hopefully the two of you worked out an amicable amount of money for time & trouble (... in regards to BOTH parties).

 

Here's wishing you a much better meeting in forthcoming appointments. Go get em' tiger

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[guptasa1]

Sounds like a rough situation, and not anybody's fault. These things unfortunately happen, and of course they aren't much fun when they do.

 

As to your question, this is my opinion.

 

He came, he showed up, and he tried, so I definitely think he deserves some payment. It's not his fault he got sick, but I will say you were a really good guy to get him his meds and let him rest. I'm sure he appreciated that.

 

If I were in that situation (as a client), I would probably be willing pay the full amount if that's what the escort really wanted. I would hope, however, that the escort would suggest something more reasonable...a reduced rate...or at least offer a discount next time. If he didn't do this, I'd have to honestly reconsider whether I wanted to be with him again.

 

This is another area where I think people are afraid to communicate (truthfully, I would be too), but ideally, you two could talk about it and come to an agreement that works for both of you. Easier said than done sometimes, though.

[marc anthony]

Well... this is a tough one, and there is no right or wrong answer. WE can only write what we feel.

 

I feel that the escort operated in good faith. He was as hot and sexy as advertised, was good company, got sick (beyond his control), and in spite of that, was a trooper and managed to have sex with you at least once. I would think that you would feel that you would want to pay him his full negotiated feel.

 

I also feel that the escort would feel that he didn't really deliver everything expected, even if through no fault of his own. And perhaps would offer, when you paid him the full amount to give you some back.

 

In a perfect world, that would be ideal. That you offer the full amount, and he takes something less than that. Since it is not a perfect world, and you can only control your own actions, my own conscience and sense of propriety would have made me give him the entire amount (nevertheless hoping that he would make some gesture from his side in return).

[marc anthony]

geez Sean.. cosmic propinquity. We must have been writing at the same time, posted at almost the same time, with content that is almost the same thing.

 

You must be wise beyond your 20 something years to think like I do!

 

:7 :7 :7 :7 :7

[Rick Munroe]

I agree with Marc and guptasa1. Since the escort was feeling fine (and ready to play) when he arrived, and was again feeling well enough in the morning to resume activities, isn't it pretty obvious that he got food poisoning at the restaurant? I'm not saying that the food poisoning was your fault because you chose the restaurant, but it wasn't his fault, either. If he had shown up already sick and unable to perform, that's another story, but he didn't; he showed up ready to do his job and was unable to do his job, probably because of the meal. I think it would have been really unfair to reduce his fee...unless he himself refused to accept the full $1000.

 

I got mild food poisoning once (just bad nausea, thankfully), but it hit me just as my client was arriving. I felt terrible that I had to cancel the job, and of course did not expect any money (actually, I offered to pay his cab fare but he graciously refused). I think that's a completely different scenario from the one you describe, though. This guy came all the way to Oklahoma, was ready and eager and erect, but got sick after you fed him. If I were you, I would feel somewhat responsible for his sickness (but maybe that's just the nice Jewish boy in me). I'm not one to automatically take the escort's side, and I have met you and know you're a decent guy, so I hope there's a happy ending here.

[Okliehomo]

Very interesting comments, guys. Especially appreciated hearing from the famous Ben Nicholas and of course, the infamous Rick Munroe. Rick, you are right. I am a decent guy and I did pay the guy the entire fee. He was ready to go when the storm intervened and did try to make good after dinner. Having had food poisoning myself in the past, I must however disagree that he got it from our dinner. It happened too quick. It usually takes about 4-6 hours, so I am thinking that it was the pizza at the Denver airport, or maybe just a virus. Also, he didn't throw up, and that's the enevitable outcome. Anyway, not his fault, but also not mine, but very disappointing, nonetheless.

 

And no, he didn't offer to take a reduced rate, though we only really had sex one time. Just put the envelope in his pocket and said thank you. And yes, he took the cab fare. He did say " I hope you don't regret this." And you know, I don't. I made the right choice with him, just got the wrong result.

 

Will probably try to bring him back. Just wanted to know what you guys thought was the right thing to do.

[KY_TOP]

>I am a decent guy and I did pay the guy the entire fee.

 

If he was a decent guy and respected you, then you did the right thing in paying the entire fee. Why compound his bad luck, by reducing his fee, due to something out of both of yours control? He will remember your courtesy and respect and it will come back to you somewhere, sometime. I had an Escort that missed his flight for a weekend trip due to an accident on the way to the airport and he offered to deduct all I was out on a future trip. On that future trip I ended up paying his full fee as he left. I still consider him a friend. I also was with 2 escorts during a Blackout. Things went virtually nothing like was planned but we improvised.:+

They definitely got the full fee and I invited one back a few days later. Things happen and in those cases let mutual respect rule what you do. It is cool you did the right thing.

[+ friendofsheila]

Gotta say I agree a little more in favor of the guys who want there to be communication with the escort about a fee negotiation. If I hired Joe Crooner to sing 3 hours at a party and he inhales a housefly waiting to go on and can only get through one number late in the evening, I'd feel the same way. I consider his time to be valuable and since he presented himself beautifully up to the "change in performance," I'd probably want him back, so I'd try to be a little generous.

 

I must say, though, this comes from a perspective of someone who saves up money very long and carefully to have the services of a man, so I'd rather have some left over to get a head start on the next gig, which could well be Joe Crooner again if he's reasonable and respectful of my POV. If I had lots more money, I'd probably feel better about giving him the entire fee.

 

Friend of Sheila

[Will]

You did the right thing. At least, you did what I would have done under the same circumstances. After all, you were already going to spend $1,000 on the escort, so it's not as though the roof caved in or the air-conditioning in the car went out and caught you by surprise and financially unprepared. Whatever was the matter with him, and whenever he got it, it was as clear to you as it was to him that he was, truly, sick, and that he, truly, regretted it.

 

In the end, we have to live with ourselves; and for me, it's worth being fully responsible to what I said I was going to do, even if circumstances made it impossible for the other guy to do what he said he was going to do.

 

Thus, it occurs to me that he knows that you are a decent -- a VERY decent -- guy and that if you hired him again, he'd go out of his way to earn his second fee.

 

You may be disappointed in the situation; but those things happen beyond our control. You are not, however, disappointed with yourself, and that's something you can control.

 

I say, Bravo for you.

[VaHawk]

"My 'Miss Cleo' psychic powers aren't functioning too well today, but hopefully the two of you worked out an amicable amount of money for time & trouble (... in regards to BOTH parties)."

 

Your psychic powers may not be functioning too well, but I'm glad to see that your powers of reason and sense of fair play are functioning quite well! But I can't say I'm surprised at that, given your basic nature.

 

IMO, there just seems to be way too much latitude, by some, mostly the same people, on this board, afforded towards escorts at the expense of the client. I wonder what most of those people would say if the situation was reversed, and it was the client instead, who suffered this illness?

 

I really shouldn't wonder, as I'm fairly sure that once again, the same choir would sing out that it wasn't the escort's fault and he should be fully recompensed. If the escort is ill and unable to fufill the agreement, then by all means he deserves full recompense, but on the other hand, if the client is ill and unable to continue, then once again the escort deserves full recompense! HUH?

 

IMO, the escort should have been offered/graciously accepted a lower, but fair fee, agreed on between both parties. In this situation, for an escort to just walk away with the priorly agreed on fee, without offering a lower fee voluntarily, shows a real lack of professional courtesy, and for a client to pay the full fee, unquestioned, shows a real lack of self-respect.

 

Of course, one could posit, as has been done so on this thread, that the escort could make it up to the client on a subsequent encounter. That is a big assumption in that there will exist again the same forces of timing and opportunity, that led to the initial encounter.

 

I just don't understand why SO many posters here think that an escort should be paid full fee, just because he showed up, regardless of whether he delivered the agreed upon services. Escorting, should not be any different than any other self-employed profession! If the escort is too sick to work, or doesn't deliver the services as contracted, then just like any other self-employed professional he shouldn't get paid and/or take a lower fee that is reflective of the services performed!

[Rick Munroe]

(Changed my mind...not worth it).

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick, you are right. I am a decent guy

>and I did pay the guy the entire fee.

 

I figured you had. And I knew I was right that you are a decent guy. I'm usually a pretty good judge of character.

 

>I must however

>disagree that he got it from our dinner. It happened too

>quick. It usually takes about 4-6 hours, so I am thinking that

>it was the pizza at the Denver airport, or maybe just a virus.

 

I stand corrected (actually, I'm sitting, but I still admit my error).

 

>He did say

>" I hope you don't regret this." And you know, I don't.

 

Cool; less stress for you. I hope it works out better next time, and hopefully he'll make it up to you, whether monetarily or by making you cum 12 times. }(

[Lewis H]

Just to chime in, I feel like the escort acted in good faith, and so did you.

 

As far as the food poisoning is concerned, I completely sympathize with the escort. It may take you personally 4 to 6 hours for food poisoning to take effect, but food sensitivity like I (and apparently your escort) possess can be a matter or an hour or less. I'm both sensitive to fats and dairy products, and my digestive system apparently just can not take certain foods and knows it immediately. And yes, it doesn't come out of the mouth either. I've had situations like when I travelled to Germany and Paris where a scant hour after eating the local food I was deathly ill and glad that Europe had a system of public, self-cleaning rent-a-toilets.

[Bilbo]

My Maverick can get the runs within an hour, too, if he accidently eats any citrus. And some of your better chefs stick on almost anything without warning you. I am spared so much time in the kitchen by noticing that a fun looking recipe has citrus in it. Whoops, there goes another one into the "I'd never get to make it anyway" circular file.

[Okliehomo]

Thanks alot for the opinions, guys. Here's something that I forgot to mention. When I first met him at the airport, he was complaining about a bad headache. He thought that he had it because he had flown through a very bad thunderstorm into Denver. I think he was beginning to get sick even then. Not that it effected his appetite at dinner at all. And no, he did not fly from Europe. He has been living in the US for months. He flew in from LA..Of course, if it was a virus, wouldn't I have contracted it by now after having my tongue down his throat and up his amazing, perfectly hairy, hard muscle butt?

 

Here's an update: He emailed me this morning, and said that he was very sorry about the "awkward and unpleasant happening." And he thanked me for understanding. He also said that he hoped "he was not the worst experience of my years." I emailed him back and told him that he was very welcome and that no way, was he the worst experience of my hiring days. That honor will always belong to Aiden Shaw, and he wasn't even sick. Well, at least, not physically. HA.

 

I did realize this morning why I have been moping around about this. It's not the money. It's because while I have had many "good" times with escorts, this guy could have and should have been "the best" time ever. He was that perfect. And he's going back to Europe this month and given George W's immigration policies, he may or may not get to come back. Like Marco Ferreti, stuck in Mexico City and out of my reach. Do I hear Rick Munroe humming "The Man that Got Away"? Ok. I'll get over it.

 

Guess I will just have to bide my time for another shot with him. I may just quit hiring altogether uttil he returns. Yeah, that's going to happen...

 

Thanks again for your input.

[Guest ncm2169]

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[Guest ncm2169]

< his full negotiated feel

 

Indeed. :9

 

Is your mind never out of the Freudian slip gutter? }(

[BigK]

I think the escort should have offered a discount. I would have suggested he stay longer and I would pay for the change of flight which for return on a round trip ticket usually costs about $100.

[SouthBeachBtm]

I agree, this is a tough one. There is something to be said about his intent to please his client even in unexpectantly bad circumstances. He did match his description and he did try to make you happy once he was better. Myself, I would have paid the full amount.

 

However, if I were the Escort, I would have offered a discounted rate. Only because you paid for a fun evening at a premium price and did not get what you expected. But I would not have put him in the dog house if he did ask for the full amount. Instead I would likely hire him again and work him over time LOL!!!!!