My first vacation with an escort...

[marc anthony]

>But to call an escort a "professional" simply makes the term

>meaningless. If escorting is a profession, then "profession"

>just means "job."

>

 

Though the very common phrase, "the world's oldest profession", refers to....

 

:7

[+ Unicorn]

You did the right thing by hiring the escort for an hour or two before offering him a trip. At least you could tell you were sexually compatible. I disagree with some of the respondents who opined that hiring an escort overnight would add a significant amount of information with which to base your decision on hiring an escort for a trip. Although it might add a little bit of information, such as whether he's cranky in the morning or if he behaves rudely when at a restaurant, there's a lot more to traveling compatability.

When you travel with someone, all of his bad qualities often come out and cannot be suppressed. Depending on the nature of the travel, some bad qualities will come out more than others. For example, I have a friend "Franklin," with whom I've traveled in the US without problems. Nevertheless, when we went together (fortunately with a third friend) to foreign countries, he behaved like Eric Cartman from "South Park." He behaved so atrociously it caused me great emabarassment, and I will not travel with him internationally again.

I must confess to having had bad luck a few times when hiring escorts for trips myself. One escort had a condition called "Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder" which entails repetetive tasks and intrusive thoughts. His first hint was when I actually hired him prior to the trip, and he was an hour late. The next, more serious sign, was when we started the trip, and he actually missed his plane. He said it was because he fell off his motorcycle, but there were no serious bruises on him, and it's obvious that the real reason was that his checking behavior caused him to miss the plane. He actually had a sizeably carry-on filled with grooming products, and he couldn't even go to a restaurant without carrying a daypack on his back filled with grooming products. (Other than that, he was sweet--but crazy).

Another escort, who apparently had suffered an abusive childhood, spent the entire trip complaining either about his childhood, the restaurant staff, the hotel staff, and anything else you could think of. One morning I opened the window blinds, and he told me he once told his grandmother (who brought him up) that he would punch her if she ever did that again. (Of course, the appropriate response for the grandma would be to tell the spoiled brat that if he laid a hand on her, he would go to foster care, but that's another story).

Another escort, whom I'd taken on a cruise, pretty much ditched me, coming in after I'd gone to bed and refusing to wake up when I did. Even when we went on a couple of organized tours, he didn't stay with the group, leading even the tour guide to comment as to how strange his behavior was. I would have sent him home, except that it would have cost much more than letting him stay and catch his plane on the way back, and that I couldn't very well prevent him from boarding the boat or getting into our cabin.

Nevertheless, I have had some good experiences, too. Overall, I can say that long-term hires can be rewarding but risky as well. Some escorts go into their work because they're naturally social and sexual people. Others go into their work because they have seriously dysfunctional behaviors and could never hold down a regular job. It's difficult to sort out the two types in advance, since anyone can be nice for an hour or two, and probably even for an evening/overnight. I would personally never pay anywhere near "retail" for long trips, since it's definitely not worth the risk. If there's an escort you feel compatible with, however, it might be worthwhile negotiating a reasonable rate, as long as you're aware of the risks.

[Guest JON1265]

Hey guys -

 

There are a lot of great responses on this thread. Some I agree with, and some I don't, but most are well thought out.

 

Someone asked about my expectations on the trip. I can say they weren't terribly unreasonable - someone to enjoy the sites and shows with, and to have some nice conversation, and someone who knows what I liked on the intimate level, which he did. It's just that he was so self-absorbed it was just annoying. Someone mentioned about being with an escort who was abused as a child, and I found out about his abuse as the week unfolded as well. Needless to say, I did listen but told him that he might consider therapy for some of these issues.

 

Someone else mentioned about my rebuffing the escort when it came to sex - not the case I assure you. Actually I was rebuffed our first night there because he was VERY tired, as was I. But the sex wasn't really an issue.

 

Someone else mentioned an escort who was rude and angry with waitstaff and other people. My escort was like this as well. He actually made some very loud comments about this, which made me a little uncomfortable. I pick and choose my battles carefully, so poor service is shown with a comparable tip. I don't make loud rude comments about it. Did I say anything? Yes. I didn't make it confrontational, but a little comment about how it was not that big a deal. But the message apparently did not take.

 

I certainly feel no animosity towards this escort - it was an experience I wanted to try, but would not do again. I, too, will now enjoy the escort buffet a certain city can offer.

 

Thanks again for the feedback.

[adriano46]

Hi Jon1265,

 

Your experience sounds very similar to one I had three years back, My brain was overruled by my sex drive and against all kinds of bad signals I invited an escort to NYC for a 5-day vacation.

 

It was the vacation from hell.

 

He verbally abused a cab driver (older gentleman trying to be professional during a bad snowstorm), abused hotel personnel and was confrontational with waiters and busboys in just about any and every upscale restaurant where we ate. I started stearing him to cheaper diners and fast-food outlets out of embarassment.

 

Sex was non-existent from arrival. He was "too tired" or "too depressed".He never got out of bed before early noon making my whole stay with him a waste of time as he was uninterested in seeing anything, doing anything. I did get him tickets for LION KING (which he wanted). I was bored to tears watching the show (and I generally will sit through anything on Broadway).

 

Took him shopping - and had to be careful when I realized he was taking advantage of the generosity.

 

Discovered he was abused and had many issues and this also soured any attempts at sex (made me feel like a preditor or worse).

 

Happiest moment was pushing him into a cheap cab back to Laguardia (I stayed behind!). For the first time ever I did njot tip him, and in fact cut some `10% of the money from his original fee - and when he raised an eye I said, "I gave you round trip tickets, 5 nights in a 5-star hotel, meals, gifts, excursions etc... You gave me 2 hours of sex. You're lucky I don't just pay your two-hour fee and call it even!" Posters will probably jump all over me for holding out the 10% ($150) but he had well over that amount in trinkets and gifts on his back when he left anyway! (I did post a negative review of him at the time and was involved in a lengthy conversation with his "agent" who agreed that the escort acted very unprofessionally and agreed with my payment.)

 

Long and short of it - I should have known better. My experience with extended trips with escorts has been generally negative and the bad parts far outweighed the good (and the money involved).

 

Decided two years ago not to invite any more and seek local enjoyment (much more reasonable and I am not stuck with them 24/7 - nor they stuck we me).

[+ deej]

Sorry to hear about your vacation from hell, but ....

 

>>My brain was overruled by my sex drive and against all kinds of bad signals I invited an escort to NYC for a 5-day vacation<<

 

What were you expecting? :+ You knew going in that it wasn't going to be successful and tried to buy your way into success. We see this around here all the time. Denial. "Just this once, he'll show up" or "It'll be different with me."

 

When you ignore warning signs, you've got nobody but yourself to blame for having a less than great time.

 

I generally won't even book an overnight with a guy unless I've been with him enough to know it'll be a good time.

 

I've just booked a guy for a long weekend later this spring. I've chosen carefully. I know that his personality is a good fit, and I discussed the weekend with him and heard definite excitement in his voice as I described the events we'll be attending. He seems to genuinely be looking forward to it. I expect we'll both have a great time because expectations are properly set on both sides.

 

In other words, all signs are good. I would never book an extended engagement for anything less.

[marc anthony]

I did get him tickets for

>LION KING (which he wanted). I was bored to tears watching the

>show (and I generally will sit through anything on Broadway).

>

>

 

Wow! I thankfully have NOT had an escort experience like that, but I totally agree with you that Lion King brought tears to my eyes too... and NOT tears of joy! I actually saw it with Justin of Campus... and we BOTH hated it. And here I thought we were the only two people in the world who thought it was so bad. Glad to find that you have good taste too, Adriano! hehe

 

We do disagree on the potential value of travel with escorts, though. But I must say, if I had an experience like yours, it might have soured me as well.

[EXPAT]

I took two separate trips with the same escort (Derek Colton, now retired) when I lived in San Francisco. Fortunately they were both good trips. I doubt that I would do that again though. I developed a friendship with Derek which made it better; however, I feel that it can only work if you have developed a mutual respect.

 

I just find it easier now to just hire as I travel. That usually works well (except Hawaii). And of course Los Angeles where I find it incredibly difficult to hire compared to almost everywhere else. I cannot figure out why that is. But most escorts feel that every potential client are flakes I guess. It's rare to get responses or if you do, I get an unwillingness to travel even 10 minutes. It's really strange.

[BobbyThompson]

>..And of course Los Angeles

>where I find it incredibly difficult to hire compared to

>almost everywhere else. I cannot figure out why that is. But

>most escorts feel that every potential client are flakes I

>guess. It's rare to get responses or if you do, I get an

>unwillingness to travel even 10 minutes. It's really strange.

 

People in LA have a warped sense of distance. Anything in the next zip code is considered "far", and Orange County (about 45 minutes away) equidistant to Mars. It might be because each city is pretty self-contained. One could never leave Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, or Hollywood and function just fine, so getting them to go even to the airport is a chore.

 

Good luck next time!

Bobby

[BobbyThompson]

>..And of course Los Angeles

>where I find it incredibly difficult to hire compared to

>almost everywhere else. I cannot figure out why that is. But

>most escorts feel that every potential client are flakes I

>guess. It's rare to get responses or if you do, I get an

>unwillingness to travel even 10 minutes. It's really strange.

 

People in LA have a warped sense of distance. Anything in the next zip code is considered "far", and Orange County (about 45 minutes away) equidistant to Mars. It might be because each city is pretty self-contained. One could never leave Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, or Hollywood and function just fine, so getting them to go even to the airport is a chore.

 

Good luck next time!

Bobby

[+ Unicorn]

I agree one should never hire someone who sends "all kinds of bad signals." However, I have hired escorts that I had a great evening with (sex and dinner) that ended up as duds on trips. It's easy to "behave oneself" for an evening. Once you're stuck with an escort, though, bad behavior can really come out. Ironically, it's those situations in which hiring "as you go" on a trip might be difficult, such as a cruise or an isolated area, that present the greatest problem in getting rid of an off-base escort.

[+ glutes]

Why is it that the person you were mad

>about following an hour or two or even an evening of GREAT sex

>is a completely different - irratating and irresponsible

>individual by the second day of travel. After experimenting

>with more than half a dozen escorts - I would NEVER again

>travel with one and have found the best strategy is to plan in

>advance and hire as I travel and occasionally consider an

>overnighter. Often - you get the ABSOLUTE best out of any

>escort in a visit that may not even last an hour - why try and

>improve on that accomplishment ??? Escorts and travel are

>rarely a success story !

 

Very well said, I can't even add to this.

(Wish you were more active on the board as a Charter Member!)

[adriano46]

Deej and others,

 

You are right in what you observed. I had had a series (in Europe) of exceptional long-term visits with escorts (more than 2 hours or even an overnight) and was hoping the same would occur in the US but I discovered that escorts in Europe and those in the US (in my limited experience) are very different.

 

Unicorn, Glutes and others also have some good points. Thanks.

 

Deej, I made this mistake once and it was over three years ago and hopefully learned from it. The escorts I most clicked with in the past (ones whose company out of the bedroom was warm, generous, funny, witty, and enjoyable) are now retired (except perhaps one and we are never in the same city or continent at the same time).

 

As many said here already, I learned the hard way NEVER to invite any escort for more than an hour or two unless I already know him very well, and we have had time together outside of the bedroom (movie, dinner, theatre, walking around).

[Funseeker 22]

Bobby,

Please let me know if you need directions to the SFV.

Looking forward to our meeting.

[VaHawk]

Welcome to the real world! Why would anyone want to add the expense of a US based escort to their travel expenditures? Isn't one of the purposes of travelling, the opportunity to explore the local culture in all areas?

 

I bet most of those who advocate taking an escort on foreign travels are those who get to travel at either company expense or can write it off as a business expense.

 

When traveling is something that means big bucks at your own expense, then WHY? take a US escort with you? Why not spend that money on the locals?

 

I don't see the logic in dragging an escort with you, especially one you don't know very well, when you can be free to explore the local scene!

[marc anthony]

>Welcome to the real world! Why would anyone want to add the

>expense of a US based escort to their travel expenditures?

>Isn't one of the purposes of travelling, the opportunity to

>explore the local culture in all areas?

 

Yes, it is. But certainly you can explore the culture with company.

>

>I bet most of those who advocate taking an escort on foreign

>travels are those who get to travel at either company expense

>or can write it off as a business expense.

 

Maybe. But certainly not true for me. I pay my own vacation trips, and enjoy bringing an escort with me whenever I can.

>

>When traveling is something that means big bucks at your own

>expense, then WHY? take a US escort with you? Why not spend

>that money on the locals?

 

Why not do both? If the ONLY reason to have an escort is sex, then I can understand not bringing along company, and only hiring for hourly's when you get horny. But there are tours to take, shows to see, meals to dine, museums to explore, and countrysides to admire. Most of those I prefer to do with someone else.

>

>I don't see the logic in dragging an escort with you,

>especially one you don't know very well, when you can be free

>to explore the local scene!

 

I agree that if you don't know the escort well, it makes little sense to take them on a long trip. But there are many advantages to taking an ENGLISH speaking escort with you for company when you travel to foreign countries if you have a previous relationship that makes it reasonably certain you will have fun together. I enjoy the company, and the sex... and believe me, it doesn't hinder me ONE BIT from enjoying the "local" flavor, both in terms of culture and in terms of sex with the local boys.

 

Sorry, VaHawk. I have to disagree with you on this one. I understand that this type of thing is not for everyone, but I don't think it is as much a clearcut losing proposition that you make it out to be.

 

And if the issue is cost... I can assure you (as I have said many times before)... you can negotiate quite a favorable rate with escorts who already know you, like you, and trust you for trips that are likely to be fun for them as well.

[VaHawk]

I didn't mean to imply that it was a losing proposition for everyone as it depends on the parties involved. You make very valid counterpoints that I can't argue with. I'm glad that it works for you and that you are able to cite experiencies and offer advice that makes it work. Personally, and only on a personal level, it would never work for me, and I doubt that I am alone in that feeling.

[marc anthony]

>I didn't mean to imply that it was a losing proposition for

>everyone as it depends on the parties involved.

 

I think this statement of yours hits the nail on the head! Really it is the bottom line.

 

I am sure that someday I will make the mistake of taking an escort who turns out to be non-compatible with me and will have a lousy time (hope that doesn't happen too often). And I hope that someday you click so well with an escort that you will want to take a vacation with him (and of course, I hope you have a GREAT time!)

 

But again, because the people involved is the most important factor, I repeat my caveat, and really the one most often cited by those who do like to travel with an escort... KNOW your escort before you jump on a plane with him!