Escorts with Long Dance Cards

[btmstudnyc]

>I actually have an appointment with an escort scheduled

>(bottomstud) for my 75th birthday, and that's scheduling 20

>years ahead!

 

 

Lucky...I'll do it for free tonight...and don't tell me you had a death in the family.

 

 

JIM

[Guest Yog-Sothoth]

>

>I don't know how many different ways I can answer this

>question, but I'll try again. The reason is that I think

>these sycophantic clients distort the market and encourage bad

>escort practices thus rendering otherwise available escorts

>unavailable.

 

 

No, the reason why this bothers You is you think escorts should be Your slaves (for after all, YOU ARE **PAYING** THEM) and they should have no fucking life but to be there when You demand they be.

 

And other clients who get in the way of Your Wishes should just fucking stop it, because they are interferring with Your being an arrogant and self-centered bastard.

 

Well, I am one of those clients and I like that fact that an escort is willing to book in advance with me.

 

And the fact that You don't, well, that is Your Fucking Problem and Your Lost. So bitch to Your mirror about it.

 

I have read enough posts by You to realize You have *NO* understanding of mutual respect for other people, especially those you consider Beneath You, which seems to be most everyone on this planet.

 

If I was an escort and You showed up on me with an Shit-filled Attitude like Yours, I would fucking throw You out my door and and tell You to keep Your fucking money.

 

Hell, if You just showed up at my real door, I would slam it in Your Face.

 

You're an ASSHOLE. A Big One. So Big that one could fly a 747 up it without the wings touching the sides.

 

You are the type of client that ruins things for the rest of us. You are an embarassment, not only as a client, but as a human being.

 

I wish there was a way I could killfile you on these bulletin boards.

[axebahia]

>No, the reason why this bothers You is you think escorts

>should be Your slaves (for after all, YOU ARE **PAYING** THEM)

>and they should have no fucking life but to be there when You

>demand they be.

 

I am not sure where to start with you given your apparent fragile state, and I would not want to be the cause of the run on prozac or its generic equivalent twice in one week. Nonetheless, let me just remind you that slaves aren't paid, but service providers are. I like my gyms to be open 24 hours or at least from 5:00 a.m. to 11:00p.m. I like my dry cleaners to be open at least 6 days a week. And yes, as long as I am paying escorts, I expect no less from them. If their are clients out there who want to pay escorts not to be good service-providers, then I suppose there is little I can do to stop it, except take my business to another market. Trust me, I have no difficulty finding expert service-providers who do not operate ticketron franchises on the side.

[guptasa1]

>Nonetheless, let me just remind you that slaves aren't paid,

>but service providers are. I like my gyms to be open 24 hours

>or at least from 5:00 a.m. to 11:00p.m. I like my dry

>cleaners to be open at least 6 days a week. And yes, as long

>as I am paying escorts, I expect no less from them. If their

>are clients out there who want to pay escorts not to be good

>service-providers, then I suppose there is little I can do to

>stop it, except take my business to another market. Trust me,

>I have no difficulty finding expert service-providers who do

>not operate ticketron franchises on the side.

 

I want to first state that my intentions are only debate and I'm trying to help you see a different perspective (and I'm trying to see yours). My intentions are not to argue or irritate you or anyone else.

 

To me, an escort who prefers advance booking does NOT equate to a bad service provider, and I don't consider escorts who are available with no advance notice to be either better or worse service providers. They just have a different policy. You seem to imply advance booking is an inferior policy, but that's not how everyone feels, and in reality, I'd estimate a very large percentage of people prefer advance booking being available, both on the escort and client side of thing. If nothing else, the by-and-large responses on this board should be some evidence of that.

 

In several posts, you point to one experience with a "ticketron" escort that was less than stellar, but consider that you seem to be judging ALL escorts who use advance booking policies based on that one experience. Perhaps it wasn't the advance booking that was the problem - maybe it was bad chemistry or whatever...things can and do come up sometimes that just lead to a not-so-great experience. What if my first experience with an escort was a bad one, and thus I decided all escort experiences from then forth would be bad and so all clients are supporting an awful industry altogether? Yes, I suppose that's a silly analogy, but I'm hoping maybe you'll see my point.

 

Since you say you have no problem finding escorts that provide the level of service and availability you want, I have trouble seeing where the problem lies. I like arranging things in advance and find it much more convenient, and there are escorts out there who prefer this as well. You like more spontaneous appointments, and there are escorts that cater to that too. It's like me liking Pepsi and you liking Coke (not to compare an escort directly with a softdrink of course...just as an analogy)...there's nothing really wrong with either of them, but there's certainly a market for both. What's so wrong with that?

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I don't know how many different ways I can answer this

>question, but I'll try again. The reason is that I think

>these sycophantic clients distort the market and encourage bad

>escort practices thus rendering otherwise available escorts

>unavailable.

 

"Distort the market?" If they're spending money -- and they are -- they ARE the market, or at least enough of a part of it to legitimately influence how we run our businesses. It's not as though there's an escort cabal getting together plotting only to make ourselves available to clients who book well in advance. (Your experience apparently bears this point out, since you have no trouble finding escorts you like.) Meanwhile, there are some escorts who can't plan more than a day in advance (the ones who say "call me when you get into town). It seems to me that if there's any profession in which the "invisible hand of the market" reigns, it's escorting.

[axebahia]

>My intentions are not to argue or

>irritate you or anyone else.

 

You don't need to apologize for your views. This is an anonymous buletin board.

 

>I'd estimate a

>very large percentage of people prefer advance booking being

>available, both on the escort and client side of thing. If

>nothing else, the by-and-large responses on this board should

>be some evidence of that.

 

And the long thread about escorts complaining about client cancelations also suggests to me that clients are just holding a space in response to the ticketron escort's undesirable policy. It's a perfectly natural reaction, but I am afraid I am not quite that cynical myself.

 

>In several posts, you point to one experience with a

>"ticketron" escort that was less than stellar, but consider

>that you seem to be judging ALL escorts who use advance

>booking policies based on that one experience. Perhaps it

>wasn't the advance booking that was the problem - maybe it was

>bad chemistry or whatever...things can and do come up

>sometimes that just lead to a not-so-great experience.

 

I thought the escort in question was fine as I stated, but the performance or appearance simply did not match the hyped reviews or justify the long dance card. As for other experiences, frankly from escort rsponses here and other partial forays into that market segment, I recognize recurring warning signs of bad service. I have summarized those elsewhere. Look for my past posts applying the product life cycle theory to escorts who engage in ticketron practices and start calling themselves international comforters and such like. I also recognize similar warning signs in the particular kind of over-hyped reviews that they get. As I said, I don't b;ame the escorts for identifying a market niche of pathetic, lonely old farts. I blame the pathetic, lonely old farts.

[guptasa1]

>You don't need to apologize for your views. This is an

>anonymous buletin board.

 

I wasn't apologizing as much as making my intentions clear so there's no way they could be mistaken.

 

>And the long thread about escorts complaining about client

>cancelations also suggests to me that clients are just holding

>a space in response to the ticketron escort's undesirable

>policy. It's a perfectly natural reaction, but I am afraid I

>am not quite that cynical myself.

 

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean here (I do know the thread you refer to). Sure, advance bookings probably lead to a few more cancellations on both the escort and the client side, and of course neither side is probably very happy about it. Airlines often give substantial discounts if you book a plane ticket a month or more in advance. If a customer books that far in advance, sure, it's quite possible something will come up where something could go wrong in the meantime on both sides and the trip can't happen (maybe a personal tragedy for the passenger or something like the wildfires for the airline). Nevertheless, that's a risk that's taken and neither side complains about it - the advantages outweigh the risk. It's the same thing applied to the escort, only in that case, the advantages aren't monetary as much as getting the privelage (and yes, I do consider it a privelage) of spending some time with the guy of your choosing and also giving both sides a chance to negotiate and schedule a good time for them both (and maybe even a trip or events together). I know you disagree with me here and your preference is having an escort spontaneously, but some of us actually prefer to choose a particular time and anticipate that time with him.

 

>I thought the escort in question was fine as I stated, but the

>performance or appearance simply did not match the hyped

>reviews or justify the long dance card. As for other

>experiences, frankly from escort rsponses here and other

>partial forays into that market segment, I recognize recurring

>warning signs of bad service. I have summarized those

>elsewhere. Look for my past posts applying the product life

>cycle theory to escorts who engage in ticketron practices and

>start calling themselves international comforters and such

>like. I also recognize similar warning signs in the

>particular kind of over-hyped reviews that they get.

 

Some escorts do specialize in comforting. I know the post you reference, and I frankly don't personally see a thing wrong with it...nor do a lot of the escorts who are popular get many bad reviews to "reset" the cycle (sure, some do). Just because your experience wasn't as good as you expected doesn't mean other people's aren't or that person isn't worth waiting for for some people. You can't seem to see why other people wait for an escort because YOU wouldn't, but some of us, me included, will gladly wait if it's a person where a good connection is deemed likely. For me, I like to connect on a physical AND emotional level, not just physical, so finding guys where both those elements are attractive to me isn't necessarily easy.

 

>As I

>said, I don't b;ame the escorts for identifying a market niche

>of pathetic, lonely old farts. I blame the pathetic, lonely

>old farts.

 

First of all, why all this hostility and judgment here? The use of the word "niche" tends to imply a very small market who are interested in "ticketron" escorts. I think this is inaccurate. As I already said, I would imagine a large percentage of clientele like if not prefer escorts who book in advance. I'm sure demographics and everything else come into play here, but at least for those people who use sites like this and investigate which escorts they might like to get together with (as opposed to trying to find boys on the street or something), I would guess (and I openly admit I have no figures to back this up) that the MAJORITY of clients prefer advance booking escorts.

 

As far as "pathetic, lonely old farts", I don't think you have any basis for even saying that...and frankly I think that statement is downright offensive considering there are a LOT of people of all ages, walks of life, body type, and personality type that I'm sure use ticketron escorts. I tend to prefer these advance booking escorts since it makes arranging things a breeze and I like to plan things out and anticipate, and I'm relatively young. As far as lonely, I would argue prettymuch everyone who hires an escort is lonely in SOME respect...or they wouldn't be hiring escorts. It might not be emotional as much as it is physical for you, but can you honestly say you don't hire an escort because you'd like some company (even if purely sexual)? And as to pathetic, I frankly don't see what basis you have to judge ANYONE as pathetic. What's pathetic in one person's opinion isn't necessarily in another's, and until you've walked in another person's shoes, how can you say anything of the sort about them?

[axebahia]

>Some escorts do specialize in comforting. I know the post you

>reference, and I frankly don't personally see a thing wrong

>with it...nor do a lot of the escorts who are popular get many

>bad reviews to "reset" the cycle (sure, some do).

 

Which post do I reference then? I didn't have a specific one in mind.

[guptasa1]

>Which post do I reference then? I didn't have a specific one

>in mind.

 

I was talking about the escort-life-cycle post I read. Perhaps there were others - I don't know, but you basically said escorts become comforters until they get a bad review, and then they go back to escorts.

[bluenix]

>>Which post do I reference then? I didn't have a specific

>one

>>in mind.

>

>I was talking about the escort-life-cycle post I read.

>Perhaps there were others - I don't know, but you basically

>said escorts become comforters until they get a bad review,

>and then they go back to escorts.

 

Hey, gup -

 

You do realize you won, don't you? Axe is making his usual lame retreat to some extraneous non-point. He must be sad to behold if he litigates.

 

The thought occurs to me that you are merely sharpening your claws for a dispute with Woodlawn. Awesome. Just thinking about that sends chills down my spine.

 

You'll lose though. Your attention to detail would seem to equal his -- perhaps even surpass it. But his stamina is of Jurassic proportion.

 

blue

[axebahia]

>I was talking about the escort-life-cycle post I read.

>Perhaps there were others - I don't know, but you basically

>said escorts become comforters until they get a bad review,

>and then they go back to escorts.

 

I think the post said a bit more than that. My escort product life cycle is about a hot young thing who blasts on to the scene taking hourly appointments, starts getting good reviews and graduates to international comforter status and starts a ticketron franchise, initially clients start parroting the previous positive reviews until finally someone has the courage to say that there is a gap between the reviews and actual performance, and finally the comforter returns to escorting before retiring.

 

I agree that it is not a question of one review resetting the cycle. That is because for a long while what we see are sycophantic clients whose reviews are based on prior reviews, expectation and fantasies not their actual experience. And, that Devon is the market distortion of which I spoke. Got it now?

[guptasa1]

I understand what you're saying (though as pointed out by someone else, I'm not really sure why you singled that out as my main focus in my previous response). My summary was a bit concise I admit.

 

I won't say that previous reviews can't affect new ones, or that there isn't some fantasy involved in some reviews, but I ALSO doubt that those same reviews are gross misrepresentations of the experience. Someone who had a bad experience isn't going to write a glowing review. Someone who had a merely okay one MIGHT. However, I doubt it's an intentional thing...or even conscious.

 

Frankly, when I write reviews, I may use previous ones for verification of stats and such, but I write my own review. I try to give an honest review of the escort, but I also try to focus on the best parts of the experience. I'll be absolutely honest here - I've not yet written a bad review, and I'd hate to. I would if it was an honestly bad experience, but I wouldn't enjoy it. That said, all my experiences really have been good thus far.

 

One thing that I think is important to consider is the fact that often, NO experience can live up to one's fantasy and anticipation, especially after reading some glowing reviews. I think it's easy for one's expectations to be raised to an unreasonable and impossibly high level. As wonderful as sex with a hot guy is, when you're craving it and fantasizing about it for a while, often the fantasy is in some ways better than ANY sex could ever really be (at least for me - I'm assuming others are the same way, but I don't know). I'm not saying the sex isn't great, but when you read review after glowing review, and imagine it all in your mind, it's easy to imagine this absolutely perfect sex. Similarly, AFTER the experience, it's also very easy for those memories once again to reflect the fantasy and be better than the actual experience was.

 

This can work the other way too I imagine. Is it possible that in your case, all the reviews just set the bar too high in your mind, and you held the escort up to that? (I'm not saying that's what happened...I'm just posing the question for consideration.)

[axebahia]

>Is it possible

>that in your case, all the reviews just set the bar too high

>in your mind, and you held the escort up to that? (I'm not

>saying that's what happened...I'm just posing the question for

>consideration.)

 

As I have written here often, I discount most positive reviews here because I find them to be unrealistic or idiosyncratic. For me, the Board is most useful in identifying problem escorts. As for the particular instance that I cited where I responded to hyped reviews and ticketron scheduling, I would have to say that the escort not only failed to measure up to the prior reviews, but to my own experience with other escorts. (Don't get me wrong, he was a nice guy, but interacting with him before, during and after gave me great insight into his clientelle and the source of the hyped reviews.) And what I also would is that the encounter tought me what warning signs to look for when reading hyped reviews of ticketron escorts. One more recent overture to such an escort confirmed for me my initial assesment. Again, I don't blame the escorts, but rather the clients who facilitate those practices.

 

I am not suggesting that the reviewing clients were intending to mislead or that they were conscious of the fantasy that they were describing. Rather, I think they believed it. That's what makes them pathetic.

[guptasa1]

Ohhh good grief. I honestly don't see how you equate that to pathetic. It's human nature.

 

I understand what you mean by identifying problem escorts, and yes, this site is useful for that. There are some out there who really do have awful practices (cheating or mistreating their clients, not showing up, etc.) I don't count Ticketron escorts among the problem escorts though, and all my experiences with them thus far have been overwhelmingly good.

 

What I still don't understand is why you feel you need to blame clients who post favorable reviews for ticketron escorts as encouraging bad practices. I, for one, would NOT post a favorable review if, in the end, the experience wasn't favorable. I'm not immune to fantasy or idealism, and I know that, but if I have a bad experience, I'm not going to post that it was a good one. I don't care how many good reviews the escort previously had. (Luckily, this has yet to happen to me.) I would probably wonder WHY my experience was so different, but I wouldn't pretend it didn't happen as it really did.

 

Being frank and honest here, I'd be tempted to not post a review at all if the experience was mildly negative and it wasn't really the escort's fault (a bad night, for example), and perhaps that IS a bad practice on my part, and I admit that, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and NOT damage their reputation if I think they tried their best. In a clearly and maliciously negative encounter, however, you bet I'd post a negative review.

 

I think perhaps it's these middle-of-the-road encounters, the ones not great, but not terrible either, that are the source of your frustration, and while I can understand that, I can also understand why people are hesitant to post negative reviews under those circumstances, especially if they liked the person they were with and it just wasn't a good night. (As an example, my very first experience was with an escort brand new to the business. He clearly wasn't comfortable with sex, so [while I agree this probably isn't the business for him], in the end he clocked me out way early and offered to show me around town on HIS time, and we went out to eat and see the town. A hell of a nice guy, and not someone I thought warranted a bad review based on that experience since he tried to make it right and was new and perhaps not comfortable with what he was doing yet). He's since received a decent review from someone else (but also stating he's better as a dinner companion than a sex partner, though he did seem more comfortable with sex as of that encounter, so maybe it's just taking him some time).

 

I'm just about (not quite) as submissive a personality as one gets, but I stand by all my reviews as honest. Is it possible or likely that someone reading a review I post will imagine it even better than it actually was? Sure, it is. Do my reviews reflect the real experience I had? In my mind, absolutely. Do I post a review for every escort I'm with? Most of them, but not all as described above.

 

I think perhaps your personality is more assertive than some of ours, and so you don't worry about an escort's feelings and would prefer reviews to be absolutely honest, especially the only mildly positive or mildly negative ones. I do understand this, and it's not a bad thing, and I even admit I'm guilty there, but I think I recall you saying you don't write extremely positive reviews because you like to keep the gems to yourself (if you didn't say this, I apologize, but I think it was you), so it does go both ways. You don't post great reviews for that reason, and I don't post mildly negative reviews for my own reason sometimes. In a perfect world with complete honesty, we'd both post honest reviews in either case.

[chrismac]

gupta - I've been meaning to compliment you on your honesty and style of writing on here for a while, but other concerns took my attention (namely, a huge fire not 5 miles from my house).

 

In any case, this quote from you I find particularly true:

 

>...but I think I recall you saying you don't write

>extremely positive reviews because you like to keep the gems

>to yourself (if you didn't say this, I apologize, but I think

>it was you), so it does go both ways. You don't post great

>reviews for that reason, and I don't post mildly negative

>reviews for my own reason sometimes. In a perfect world with

>complete honesty, we'd both post honest reviews in either

>case.

 

And while I don't agree with axebahia's policy of not writing reviews to reflect truly great experiences, that's his business. I do agree with him, however, and with you by the same token, that many reviewers will tend to write positive reviews for popular escorts, even if the experience may not measure up to the hype. This may be indicative of the "fantasy" element you describe.

 

I had my own run-in with this phenomenon a couple of years ago, when hiring an extremely popular escort in NYC (who, by coincidence was a recipient of the "Escort of the Year" award on this site). Based on the glowing reviews here, I decided to hire. It wasn't great. Not horrible, but nothing near the level of expectation I had. And I keep my expectations in check. He was late (by over an hour - without calling nor any acknowledgement or apology when he did arrive), arrogant, condescending, and pretty lack-luster. But in some ways he was hot, and I was able to focus on those aspects to have a decent time. I did not write a review, either positive or negative, for many of the same reasons you mention. I probably would today, but I was new to the scene back then and less confident in my approach.

 

I think this happens often in reviews. But what we don't see are the reviews that aren't written. For every glowing review some escorts receive, there are probably an equal number of clients who've had a so-so experience, but for whatever reason (lack of time, not wanting to appear negative, can't put their thoughts into words, or just plain don't write reviews period), that information rarely shows up.

 

One way I try to divine this information is from the frequency of reviews, and by reviewers who have reviewed a variety of escorts. I tend to give these reviews more credibility. If a popular and overwhelmingly positively-reviewed escort hasn't had a review in more than a year, or even 6 months, I tend to believe that the escort in question has probably had a number of clients who didn't believe the performance was super, but not negative enough to induce a bad review. I take that into consideration when hiring.

 

I do know what axe is saying though, and have in the past thought the same thing when seeing reviews or messages here which seem to turn an escort into some sort of god to be worshipped. Some people seem to literally pole-vault over to comment on an escort's mythical qualities, or to defend him valiantly from any attack, perceived or real. This kind of supplication might have bothered or amused me at some time, but having experienced the reality behind the hype before, I'm better able to discern the likely outcome of a meeting with any escort with an accuracy that I consider more that satisfactory.

 

In all honesty, I actually avoided Kristian (now in LA) for the reason that he seemed too good to be true from the reviews, but eventually decided to give him a try, with what I considered a realistic set of expectations, and the meeting completely fulfilled and surpassed those expectations. What more could I want?

[guptasa1]

Thanks for the compliment and the great post, Chris! Certainly hope your house is okay - those fires look awful, and I'm sorry for all the people who have lost their homes.

 

Nice to know I'm not alone in not always having posted a review when the experience was rather ambiguous. I'm fairly new to this, so part of it is probably inexperience.

 

I guess for me the other part is just a matter of not wanting to possibly hurt someone's business reputation when I know they're trying, which is something I'd hate to do even if it is justified. I've been pretty good at picking good escorts by and large, and I'm very fortunate about that - this hasn't happened more than once to me (and I may have been scammed another time, which WILL get a review if it was indeed a scam, but that has yet to be established - it did teach me to only be with previously REVIEWED escorts though).

 

I don't honestly know at this point if I'd feel differently and post a review if something just okay or mildly negative happened again. I hate to say it, but that's a really tough dilemma for me. Perhaps it shouldn't be, but it is.

 

I too have learned to look for gaps in reviews. For example, similar to what you do, if I find an escort who hasn't had a review since 2002, I usually skip him and assume he's either not working or not that great.

 

However, I've never encountered the too-good-to-be-true phenomenon with escorts, and I really don't how too many good reviews can be considered a for-sure negative. Now, there's always the chance this is something based on previous reviews and/or fantasy, but I think it's even more likely that the reviews are at least pointing to a good experience, even if they seem unbelievably good. Most people wouldn't write something like that without some element of truth in there. I'm sure occasionally trusting these reviews entirely leads to disappointment, but the few escorts I've liked the best have had overwhelmingly positive reviews too.

 

Another reason, and not to get off topic, I like arranging things with escorts in advance is that it allows for plenty of time for communication with the escorts. Honestly, thus far, the BEST indicator of the time I'll have with an escort is probably communication.

 

One interesting thing I just thought of, but it's true - the experience where the escort I hired wasn't comfortable with sex, even if not a really negative experience, was through an agency without ANY prior communication directly with the escort. Similarly, the time I may have been scammed, the communication was horrible and last-minute, which should have been my first clue.

 

Anyways, those are the trends I usually look for.