What's the norm in paying 30hrs/tipping/handling $?

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I recently hired an escort for the first time and have a few questions.

 

Is tipping expected/appropriate?

 

The escort stayed for 2.5 hours (we had a great time) and I paid him 3 full hours ($600). The overnight rate was $1,000 (10 hrs). I would have liked him to stay but got a hint that he needed to be somewhere in the morning. Did I overpay? Should I've negotiated for first hour and subsequent hours? I didn't cause I had a great time and didn't want to risk spoilng it with money issue. That's why I want to know for next time.

 

Is it OK to contact escort just to say hi and make an appointment? Since we're in different cities.

 

The money, I've read that some guys place it in an envelope on a table, etc. It feels weird just handing it cash. What's the preferred thing to do?

 

Thanks!!

[LovesYng]

Most of the escorts I see are from agencies so I don't run into the problem about handling cash. The non agencies escorts are regulars I see all the time and they know what the set fee is going into the meeting, each regular escort is a different fee. I just hand them cash afterward then sit and bull shit a little before they leave.

 

Yes I have tipped the agency escort at times because of how our time went. My regulars are also tipped with trips that I go on and are invited:9

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+

[woodlawn]

>Is tipping expected/appropriate?

 

It depends. In my experience few or no escorts actually expect a tip in the way a waiter does. Some will welcome it, others will not. That's the problem with an underground business -- there are no generally accepted rules, and no one can tell you what the "norm" is. People can only tell you about their own experiences, and you have no way of knowing whether your experiences will be similar to theirs.

 

>The escort stayed for 2.5 hours (we had a great time) and I

>paid him 3 full hours ($600). The overnight rate was $1,000

>(10 hrs). I would have liked him to stay but got a hint that

>he needed to be somewhere in the morning. Did I overpay?

>Should I've negotiated for first hour and subsequent hours?

 

Yes, you should have negotiated. Escorts often offer reduced rates for subsequent hours because they are getting additional work without some of the overhead costs associated with booking and going to additional appointments. The same reasoning is at work that often causes hotels to offer reduced rates for longer stays.

 

>I

>didn't cause I had a great time and didn't want to risk

>spoilng it with money issue.

 

The escort is seeing you only because of the money you are paying, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to feel that talking to him about money is inappropriate. If he isn't comfortable handling the business aspects of this occupation he should work for an agency or do something else.

 

>Is it OK to contact escort just to say hi and make an

>appointment? Since we're in different cities.

 

I can't imagine why it wouldn't be okay to do this.

 

 

>The money, I've read that some guys place it in an envelope on

>a table, etc. It feels weird just handing it cash. What's the

>preferred thing to do?

 

Again, there is no general rule or custom. I've read that some clients place the money in plain sight because it makes them uncomfortable to hand it to the escort, goodness knows why. Possibly it spoils the fantasy that they are having a real date, possibly they are trying to hide from themselves what they are actually doing, possibly there is some even stranger reason. If you don't think hiring someone to have sex with you is anything to be ashamed of, then handing him his fee should no more make you uncomfortable than handing the fee to your hair stylist.

[+ Axiom2001]

Tipping an escort is purely a matter of preference. The same works if you're at a restaurant. If the person rendering the service goes beyond the basics, yes, tipping is advised-- 15 to 20%; it also depends on your income when it comes to giving an escort his requested fee. When escorts charge two hundred dollars per hour or even much more-- I have to think twice or thrice whether or not I should fork out an additional 15 to 20% of the guy's fee.

 

Last month I saw an escort whom I'd seen on two other occasions; we set the date for an hour, but while we were lying beside each other talking after I'd unloaded-- his presence and manner began to titillate me so much that I asked him if he could stay an additional hour; he eagerly complied; we went at again.

I paid him $300 which is not his usual fee for 2hrs; previously he told me that he'd charge me that rate for 2hrs since we had been with each other previously. I had no additional money for a tip, but perhaps I'll give him one along with a timely gift the next time we meet.

 

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------All of the escorts that I have met during the past two and a half years have merely received their requested fee from me after we have exhanged sexual pleasures. Almost all of them have received their fee at the end of our session in a small envelope unless requested up front (something which I abhor and have let them know this from the get go.)

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If you and the escorts have developed a cordial relationship and you wish to see them again and again and develop a friendship beyond obsession or stalking-- then go for it. Telephone or send emails when you desire to set up appointments. State that you've enjoyed their company as well as their performance.

I have seen one "hot" Brasilian escort in San Francisco innumerable times; he and I communicate periodically via email; he's been helpful and personable allowing me to ask him anything that I desire. I have chosen to do this, but I have not been too intrusive. At times I've tipped him, but more than not-- he has received his initial fee and have seemingly been thankful.

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[+ Axiom2001]

If this answer follows your initial response, then it has done what I have desired. I think you paid too much for three hours. If his initial fee were $200, then he should have charged an additional $100 for each hr. rendered; the same goes it the initial were 250-300. That's been my experience; that's why I am writing this in such a manner.

 

Last month I had a scorching session with an hirsute, silky-skinned, heavily endowed Latino; his rate was $180. He "rocked my world" --so I gave him an additional twenty dollars; my funds are limited so that is why he didn't receive a full 20% The escort thanked me, and when we emailed each other afterwards, he advised me to contact him via telephone or email anytime I want to engage his services, one's which I have determined to have been superb.

[Guest Merlin]

In general, escorts who are not working for an agency are like others who own their business. The tell you what they charge and should not expect a tip. I think that most clients do not tip. It tends to suggest that the escort is not charging enough. But if they raise their fee, then you will still wonder whether to tip in addition.

[JamesK840]

My $0.02...

 

With an agency escort a tip is probably a good idea (maybe the tip should be, "Don't work for an agency"... ;o), since they aren't getting nearly as much as you're paying... I don't use agencies though, have hired several escorts through Craig's List and 2 so far from reviews here...

 

Most I've hired I don't usually tip. One escort that posts here said something like you generally only tip servants in the US, as that's not how he sees himself so he doesn't really want a tip...

 

I don't know about that, and have tipped occasionally, but it's far more likely for me to do on the low end of the scale then the high end... I do regularly give someone that asks for $150 $160, but that's because I'm usually fresh from the ATM. There are also some that think clients are only hurting themselves when the give an especially reasonable escort more then he asked for... Anyway, given those things I think no tip is required and the best way to reward an especially great experience is to make things as enjoyable as possible for the escort too (which may mean letting them not come with some, if it makes no difference to you) and making another appointment!

 

As for time/cost, this is something I'm often specific about in email. Especially with Craigslist guys I'll mention that I like nice relaxing sessions, maybe 90 minutes. It doesn't seem to up the price, and even if you don't really use the whole 90 minutes I think it's far more relaxing and friendly. Sometimes I'll also propose the price, ($120 - $150) this also works pretty well. Not so much with those that have a posted price though, and I don't like for it to be anything like haggling, that's not at all what I'm suggesting.

 

But even those that have a posted price, even ones you may think are expensive pros are often willing to agree to 90 minutes for their hour price. If you think you may like to spend a while with somebody, ask their one hour rate and what their special is for additional hours... One thing that seems universal, escorts don't like being asked how much after the session.

 

I really think that maybe half the negative experiences people have with escorts could be avoided with more communication. Yes, you can't be very explicit (keep time/cash as far separate from the acts you 'like to do/have enjoyed in the past', just in case), but clients should stop beating around the bush and take the lead if they want to have fun...

 

Leaving the money in the open in an anti-law enforcement tactic. If you don't hand it to the person it may be a little harder to charge you in a sting. I far prefer to simply PAY AFTER. I think most of the other half of bad experiences people have with escorts could be solved by saying goodbye to the ones that demand the cash up front. After the session you're pretty damn sure you will not get busted.

 

As for the exchange of $$$, this is one of the many things that depend. Some escorts are very shy about the cash, some get a sexual thrill out of getting it, some count it like they're going to put it in a register, they're all different, some clients may have a problem with the way some deal with it after the intimacy, but I think things go better if the clients just accept. that they're paying for it and the escorts accept that their getting paid for it (not as much of a problem). I try to have it precounted and set aside in my wallet or wherever, seems a touch less cheap to me then going through my wallet in front of the guy, but that feeling also makes me less likely to tip (I *feel* cheaper giving a tip, weird...)

 

Too rambling?

[JamesK840]

Different, kind of related question...

 

How do escorts reward clients? One of a particular escort's websites mentions something along the lines of 'fourth appointment's free'... Do they have a card like Coffee Bean? Is it pink too? :+ Interesting idea though!

 

Hey... my clown face isn't showing in the preview... doubt this one will either... (No, I didn't check the box...)

[woodlawn]

>Leaving the money in the open in an anti-law enforcement

>tactic. If you don't hand it to the person it may be a little

>harder to charge you in a sting.

 

Sorry, that is not true at all. You can be busted for solicitation simply because you offer verbally to pay money for sex either by email, on the phone or in person, whether you actually show any money or not.

 

> I think most of the other half of bad experiences

>people have with escorts could be solved by saying goodbye to

>the ones that demand the cash up front.

 

Agreed.

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Thanks a lot guys!! Really appreciate all your input.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

I Heard Said . . .

 

>

>Sorry, that is not true at all. You can be busted for

>solicitation simply because you offer verbally to pay money

>for sex either by email, on the phone or in person, whether

>you actually show any money or not.

 

solicitation n. the crime of a prostitute's (or her pimp's) offer of sexual acts for pay.

 

Before you accept the advice of someone who frequently knows not of what they speak, a few cautionary thoughts.

 

You can be "busted" for literally anything. From driving around in a cheap car and looking for young man you take advantage of to giving legal advice without basis or accurate knowledge.

 

Whether you will prosecuted for whatever a peace officer may arrest you for is a different matter. Whether a conviction will be achieved is also a separate matter and the former is not likely because the prosecutor know that the latter is totally unlikely without more evidence than a simple communication, no matter what form that communication may take.

 

No sensible client, nor any sensible escorts, should engage in a written trail that discusses sexual intimacy and monetary inducement in the same communication. If you really believe your telephone conversations are being that actively monitored, than you might as well consider what the government might think of your logging on to a web site like this: in short, stop listening to the delusions of a paranoid borderline psychotic and trust the good sense you were born with.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Two Answers from the Escort Perspective

 

OVERNIGHTS

 

You paid more than half the overnight rate for 2.5 hours, so yes, it would have been reasonable for you to inquire if he would be available and interested in converting the session to an overnight rate. Especially if you prefaced the question by stating, "I have really enjoyed our time together and would like to see more of you right now."

 

However, be prepared for the escort to say he has other plans, which he may well have. Some escorts also may not like OR may not be able to do overnights on short notice. He might have a dog that needs to be walked, an appointment the next morning, etc.

 

The best way to handle this, in my opinion, is to ask the escort when making the booking, how he feels if the session goes well, and you might be interested in converting it to an overnight.

Then he can have planned for that possibility: i.e. arranged for a stand-by dog walker, etc.

 

CONTACT

 

I like to keep in touch with clients. I have the facility to do so. Some escorts may be great in person and right beforehand but have a hard time maintaining contact, particularly frequent contact, no matter what form that contact may take.

 

It is always appropriate to contact an escort when you are interested in making an appointment. If you have a question of whether this contact should be made via e-mail or telephone, simply ask what the escort may prefer.

 

If you are interested in maintaining a more frequent contact, make that clear and then follow his request. In this case, I personally think it would be appropriate to get into the habit of regularly tipping your escort, and be advised that tipping does not have to take the form of cash. One of my clients with whom I maintain a nearly daily e-mail communication makes it a habit, for example, of taking us both out to a nice dinner when we finally get together. The dinner is off the clock, by the way, but usually comes to a good $100 to $150 or more (without wine, as he is clean and sober and out of respect for him, I do not indulge).

[KY_TOP]

I usually hire for periods of 2 hours. My experience has been that most, not all, of the Escorts I have hired discount the second hour and have had a few that offered 3 hour "specials" that reduced the third hour even less. I never negotiate a fee, I ask what he charges and if I want to see him, I pay it.

 

I will usually tip the Escort, usually the same set amount for each Escort regardless of the total fee paid. I usually tip if the Escort has not watched the clock and I have had a good time. An Escort that seems rushed, watches the clock, or doesn't live up to what I expected doesn't get a tip. I always leave an envelope containing their fee on the nightstand with the Escorts name on it. I almost always still have to hand the envelope to the Escort at the end of the session. If I have decided to tip him I hand that money to him seperately. I have had several say no or the tip isn't necessary. When this occurs I insist they take it anyway or in the case of an Escort I saw last week I just slipped it in his envelope as I handed it to him.

 

Since I do not negotiate the fee I usually will not tip on overnight or weekend sessions, since those fees are fairly high already.

 

Recently I have had a couple of Escorts that have stayed over twice the original time we had scheduled. Neither asked for extra money but I did tip way over the normal, to help offset the additional time. One of these Escorts was the one were I just put the extra money in the envelope when he said No, the tip was not necessary.

[JamesK840]

>>Leaving the money in the open in an anti-law enforcement

>>tactic. If you don't hand it to the person it may be a

>>little harder to charge you in a sting.

>>

>

>Sorry, that is not true at all. You can be busted for

>solicitation simply because you offer verbally to pay money

>for sex either by email, on the phone or in person, whether

>you actually show any money or not.

 

I didn't mean to imply it was an effective anti-LE strategy. As I stated elsewhere in my ramblings, under no condition should either side agree to exchange money for sex. The money is for the time/companionship. Mention of sex is best related to the kind of things you've tried before or liked or something, totally separate from the mention of money, and should be in a seperate paragraph, if not seperate email or method of communication. Not agreeing to exchange cash for sex and not exchanging the cash in any way until well after a cop has done something an 'on duty' cop really wouldn't do (not talking 'lewd act' here, like flashing his dick, which can be denied, especially on audio tape...) is best... i.e. having hot sex!

 

As Franco pointed out, none of these keep you from being arrested (though a cop may not set you up to come to a sting if the emails show you may be too savvy), but hopefully they can keep you from a soliciting conviction. Be careful, cops can get away with very vague things, agreeing to something like 'I don't bottom for less then $350' could be enough to convict. (But consider, like walking away from those that demand cash up front, you'll probably have more fun if you walk away from these as a rule too). I'm no expert though.

[JamesK840]

>(But consider, like walking away from those that

>demand cash up front, you'll probably have more fun if you

>walk away from these as a rule too).

 

By that I mean people that put prices on specific acts, could be kissing, whatever... not people that choose not to do specific things.

[+ Lucky]

"In my experience few or no escorts actually expect a tip in the way a waiter does"

 

Woodie, are you actually admitting that you have hired an escort? I am shocked.

[+ Lucky]

RE: What's $?

 

Golly gee, woodie declined to comment on this one! SO unusual for him.

He says we don't know anything about him, but we do, woodie, we do.

:-(

[VaHawk]

RE: What's $?

 

Well, I can't speak for woodie, but as far as I go, I always tell people you can ask me anything you want. But that doesn't mean I have to give you an answer.